Trump MAGAthread X - Follow the Money

[Valrifell]

Can we stop pretending "Trumpism" has any kind of intellectual or useful merit as a term? Thanks.

*shrug*
You treat it like that, but when people bandwagon behind it using a made up term then it kinda becomes a thing. To argue otherwise is denial.

It's not a defined ideology, though, it's a brand of rhetoric if anything. It's completely worthless to pretend its some kind of brand new ideology or way of thought in the American system, because it's not. It's just standard Tea-Party Republican policy with smatterings of Progressive and Populist style, dubbing it something else is self-delusion and making it out to be far more important and earth-shattering than it actually is, and feeding into the President's ego.

To argue otherwise is denial.

[Holy Tedalonia]

*shrug*
You treat it like that, but when people bandwagon behind it using a made up term then it kinda becomes a thing. To argue otherwise is denial.

It's not a defined ideology, though, it's a brand of rhetoric if anything. It's completely worthless to pretend its some kind of brand new ideology or way of thought in the American system, because it's not. It's just standard Tea-Party Republican policy with smatterings of Progressive and Populist style, dubbing it something else is self-delusion and making it out to be far more important and earth-shattering than it actually is, and feeding into the President's ego.

To argue otherwise is denial.

I wasn't calling it an ideology, but a movement.

And yes it is definitely feeding into his ego.

[The Flutterlands]

Everyone who cares about the internet does, which is a lot of people. Maybe not many here, but a great number. Hopefully this will turn out next November.

We have a thread on net neutrality. Go there and talk about it. It's only marginally relevant in this thread.

Link?

[Holy Tedalonia]

We have a thread on net neutrality. Go there and talk about it. It's only marginally relevant in this thread.

Link?

here

[HMS Barham]

*shrug*
You treat it like that, but when people bandwagon behind it using a made up term then it kinda becomes a thing. To argue otherwise is denial.

It's not a defined ideology, though, it's a brand of rhetoric if anything. It's completely worthless to pretend its some kind of brand new ideology or way of thought in the American system, because it's not. It's just standard Tea-Party Republican policy with smatterings of Progressive and Populist style, dubbing it something else is self-delusion and making it out to be far more important and earth-shattering than it actually is, and feeding into the President's ego.

To argue otherwise is denial.

That's true in practice. In the primaries and the campaign, though, it looked like Trump might be reviving the pre-FDR Republican party or even the Federalists. Neither side in the US supports a withdrawal from foreign intervention for instance: they just have different preferred models. Trump sounded like he supported a withdrawal from foreign intervention.

[The Flutterlands]

It's not a defined ideology, though, it's a brand of rhetoric if anything. It's completely worthless to pretend its some kind of brand new ideology or way of thought in the American system, because it's not. It's just standard Tea-Party Republican policy with smatterings of Progressive and Populist style, dubbing it something else is self-delusion and making it out to be far more important and earth-shattering than it actually is, and feeding into the President's ego.

To argue otherwise is denial.

That's true in practice. In the primaries and the campaign, though, it looked like Trump might be reviving the pre-FDR Republican party or even the Federalists. Neither side in the US supports a withdrawal from foreign intervention for instance: they just have different preferred models. Trump sounded like he supported a withdrawal from foreign intervention.

Pre-FDR republicans... Is that good or bad?

[Washington Resistance Army]

That's true in practice. In the primaries and the campaign, though, it looked like Trump might be reviving the pre-FDR Republican party or even the Federalists. Neither side in the US supports a withdrawal from foreign intervention for instance: they just have different preferred models. Trump sounded like he supported a withdrawal from foreign intervention.

Pre-FDR republicans... Is that good or bad?

Pre-FDR gave us Calvin Coolidge, I say good.

[Holy Tedalonia]

That's true in practice. In the primaries and the campaign, though, it looked like Trump might be reviving the pre-FDR Republican party or even the Federalists. Neither side in the US supports a withdrawal from foreign intervention for instance: they just have different preferred models. Trump sounded like he supported a withdrawal from foreign intervention.

Pre-FDR republicans... Is that good or bad?

Older America gets the farther right it goes typically.

[The Flutterlands]

Pre-FDR republicans... Is that good or bad?

Pre-FDR gave us Calvin Coolidge, I say good.

The guy who set up the Great Depression? Or was that his predecessor Harding?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Pre-FDR gave us Calvin Coolidge, I say good.

The guy who set up the Great Depression? Or was that his predecessor Harding?

No president really caused the depression, imo. Overspeculation on stocks played the biggest part.

[Trumptonium]

Also, same for DACA dreamers. They must be protected at all cost too.

Protect the people from the Constitution!

Sounds like a weird campaign slogan tbf

[The Flutterlands]

Also, same for DACA dreamers. They must be protected at all cost too.

Protect the people from the Constitution!

Sounds like a weird campaign slogan tbf

To be fair, Democrats haven't been helpful ether as they allowed an emergency spending bill to pass without DACA instead of holding the government hostage.

[Conserative Morality]

It's not a defined ideology, though, it's a brand of rhetoric if anything. It's completely worthless to pretend its some kind of brand new ideology or way of thought in the American system, because it's not. It's just standard Tea-Party Republican policy with smatterings of Progressive and Populist style, dubbing it something else is self-delusion and making it out to be far more important and earth-shattering than it actually is, and feeding into the President's ego.

To argue otherwise is denial.

I wasn't calling it an ideology, but a movement.

And yes it is definitely feeding into his ego.

Trumpism is modern day Fuhrerprinzip.

The guy who set up the Great Depression? Or was that his predecessor Harding?

Coolidge was fairly progressive, if a believer in limited federalism. In any case, the Great Depression was the result of innumerable factors, and Coolidge's presidency's contribution to it is, at most, a failure to dismantle the institutions that were silently spiraling towards disaster beneath the happy facade of a healthy economy in a new and unprecedented era, and expecting that kind of foresight is expecting the past to have our hindsight.

[Proctopeo]

I wasn't calling it an ideology, but a movement.

And yes it is definitely feeding into his ego.

Trumpism is modern day Fuhrerprinzip.

The guy who set up the Great Depression? Or was that his predecessor Harding?

Coolidge was fairly progressive, if a believer in limited federalism. In any case, the Great Depression was the result of innumerable factors, and Coolidge's presidency's contribution to it is, at most, a failure to dismantle the institutions that were silently spiraling towards disaster beneath the happy facade of a healthy economy in a new and unprecedented era, and expecting that kind of foresight is expecting the past to have our hindsight.

heil the Trumpler meme

[Trumptonium]

That's true in practice. In the primaries and the campaign, though, it looked like Trump might be reviving the pre-FDR Republican party or even the Federalists. Neither side in the US supports a withdrawal from foreign intervention for instance: they just have different preferred models. Trump sounded like he supported a withdrawal from foreign intervention.

Uh

"Pre-FDR Republicans" is a weird way to describe a time in the GOP where they were anti-interventionist...

Hughes wanted to enter war in 1916 election, Roosevelt displayed American firepower around the globe with his naval fleet, along with intervening against European powers in Venezuela and Cuba, and occupied Nicaragua and Panama, and McKinley kinda started a war that killed whatever was left of Spain and personally ensured it became a useless backwater poorer than Russia.

GOP anti-interventionism spans roughly beginning-1880s and 1920s-1930s.

Though if we treat the ultimatums to Japan and Korea and other backwaters as interventionism, then the GOP was never truly noninterventionist.

[Conserative Morality]

heil the Trumpler meme

Nazism coined so many terms for authoritarian tendencies that already existed but didn't have catchy, one or two word names, that it's hard to avoid when discussing moronic fucks in government. Being the first to make authoritarianism itself into an ideology gives them that kind of cultural/linguistic influence.

[Proctopeo]

heil the Trumpler meme

Nazism coined so many terms for authoritarian tendencies that already existed but didn't have catchy, one or two word names, that it's hard to avoid when discussing moronic fucks in government. Being the first to make authoritarianism itself into an ideology gives them that kind of cultural/linguistic influence.

They weren't quite the first, per se, but yeah, they did name a lot of stuff.
I think Mussolini made authoritarianism an ideology first.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nazism coined so many terms for authoritarian tendencies that already existed but didn't have catchy, one or two word names, that it's hard to avoid when discussing moronic fucks in government. Being the first to make authoritarianism itself into an ideology gives them that kind of cultural/linguistic influence.

They weren't quite the first, per se, but yeah, they did name a lot of stuff.
I think Mussolini made authoritarianism an ideology first.

>mfw everyone forgets Gentile

Mussolini was a nerd who only expanded on other peoples works and ideas tbh

[Conserative Morality]

They weren't quite the first, per se, but yeah, they did name a lot of stuff.
I think Mussolini made authoritarianism an ideology first.

>mfw everyone forgets Gentile

Mussolini was a nerd who only expanded on other peoples works and ideas tbh

Musso was pretty inconsistent and Gentile didn't really get to implement or even really articulate his conception of fascism among the masses until Nazism had already become a force to be reckoned with in Germany.

<3 Giovanni Gentile tho

[The Black Forrest]

At least Nikki is looking into the situation of the Island of Binomo

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... ikki-haley

[Zanera]

At least Nikki is looking into the situation of the Island of Binomo

http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... ikki-haley

When will the Russians take their noses out of the democracy of other nations? It's getting so ridiculous. Haley should look into that immediately. I would like to congratulate the Polish Prime Minister on raising the issue to Haley...

[Luminesa]

Protect the people from the Constitution!

Sounds like a weird campaign slogan tbf

To be fair, Democrats haven't been helpful ether as they allowed an emergency spending bill to pass without DACA instead of holding the government hostage.

Ahhh so that’s why you voted for Trump. Okay.

[Maineiacs]

To be fair, Democrats haven't been helpful ether as they allowed an emergency spending bill to pass without DACA instead of holding the government hostage.

Ahhh so that’s why you voted for Trump. Okay.

No, he's a disgruntled Bernie Bro who voted for Trump out of spite, and is angry now that he got what he wanted.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, the movie about Trump's impeachment got its inciting moment scene.

[Northern Davincia]

That's true in practice. In the primaries and the campaign, though, it looked like Trump might be reviving the pre-FDR Republican party or even the Federalists. Neither side in the US supports a withdrawal from foreign intervention for instance: they just have different preferred models. Trump sounded like he supported a withdrawal from foreign intervention.

Uh

"Pre-FDR Republicans" is a weird way to describe a time in the GOP where they were anti-interventionist...

Hughes wanted to enter war in 1916 election, Roosevelt displayed American firepower around the globe with his naval fleet, along with intervening against European powers in Venezuela and Cuba, and occupied Nicaragua and Panama, and McKinley kinda started a war that killed whatever was left of Spain and personally ensured it became a useless backwater poorer than Russia.

GOP anti-interventionism spans roughly beginning-1880s and 1920s-1930s.

Though if we treat the ultimatums to Japan and Korea and other backwaters as interventionism, then the GOP was never truly noninterventionist.

Pre-FDR Republicans are just paleoconservatives.