Trump MAGAthread X - Follow the Money

[Luminesa]

Net Neutrality is not a law of the universe, fam.

No, but there is still no debate because It's objectively right.

If there is no debate then log off your computer. Because you’re done. There’s no reason for you to continue if there is no debate. Otherwise you’re wasting your breath and everyone else’s time.

[The Flutterlands]

No, but there is still no debate because It's objectively right.

If there is no debate then log off your computer. Because you’re done. There’s no reason for you to continue if there is no debate. Otherwise you’re wasting your breath and everyone else’s time.

Im just saying thst states like WA should enforce net neutrality laws regardless of the consequences. I see no thing wrong with that compared to enforcing marriage bans which actually hurt people.

[Washington Resistance Army]

If there is no debate then log off your computer. Because you’re done. There’s no reason for you to continue if there is no debate. Otherwise you’re wasting your breath and everyone else’s time.

Im just saying thst states like WA should enforce net neutrality laws regardless of the consequences. I see no thing wrong with that compared to enforcing marriage bans which actually hurt people.

Shame you can't really pick and choose, huh?

[The Flutterlands]

Im just saying thst states like WA should enforce net neutrality laws regardless of the consequences. I see no thing wrong with that compared to enforcing marriage bans which actually hurt people.

Shame you can't really pick and choose, huh?

Well one helps protects consumers and internet freedoms and the other discriminates and treats minorities as second class citizens. One is beneficial to the public, the other is not. Why can't you are the reasons why one form of dissent is right and why the other is wrong?

[Corrian]

Talk about projection. I have to side with Vass on this one, you haven’t stopped beating that horse since forever. The horse is probably beyond glue now and you’re still beating it. You haven’t seemed to figure-out the meaning of democracy yet, and you’re panicking over the issue when everyone else has moved on and is living their lives. You should do the same.

Because right now net neutrality should be among the issues of the year in 2018. It is too important to stop fighting, wither it be in the courts, Congress or state rebellion against the FCC. Im glad people haven't stopped fighting yet.

Oh, I'm sure it is one of many issues Democrats can run on to counter Republicans right now. They haven't proposed really any super popular major legislation yet.

[Ifreann]

Do you not think that maybe, just maybe, you should've thought about all this before you voted for the party that was vocally opposed to Net Neutrality?

I don't care about that now. That is in the past. I care about the now and the future. Stop beating that dead horse.

What is resistance against Trumpism without peaceful rebellion and civil disobedience against harmful polices like state preemption against net neutrality?

Effective and proportional, as opposed to everything you suggest.

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Sort of off topic.

Yeah. Nonetheless, the fact that the internet must be free and open is an objective fact that no argument can change.

No it's not. And I'm betting that you're going to drop this claim when I ask for proof, just like you stopped caring about objective morality as soon as you couldn't prove it.

So come on then. I can prove the world is round. Prove these facts, if you can.

[The Flutterlands]

I don't care about that now. That is in the past. I care about the now and the future. Stop beating that dead horse.

What is resistance against Trumpism without peaceful rebellion and civil disobedience against harmful polices like state preemption against net neutrality?

Effective and proportional, as opposed to everything you suggest.

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Yeah. Nonetheless, the fact that the internet must be free and open is an objective fact that no argument can change.

No it's not. And I'm betting that you're going to drop this claim when I ask for proof, just like you stopped caring about objective morality as soon as you couldn't prove it.

So come on then. I can prove the world is round. Prove these facts, if you can.

Because without net neutrality ISPs would get to choose winners and losers on the internet depending on how much money they have. They would get to block, throttle and favor any website they wish and they have the political and business incentive to do so. After all, they have done so in the past. No one except ISPS and authoritarians want that because it hurts businesses and internet freedoms. Therefore, net neutrality is objectively right for a free and open internet as a public square.

[Dahon]

Look, dude, if you wanna keep the mods off your back, you gonna have to cool it with the whole net neutrality issue, and understand that sometimes things don't go your way -- and that it's poor form to be a bitch about it.

[Ifreann]

Effective and proportional, as opposed to everything you suggest.

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No it's not. And I'm betting that you're going to drop this claim when I ask for proof, just like you stopped caring about objective morality as soon as you couldn't prove it.

So come on then. I can prove the world is round. Prove these facts, if you can.

Because without net neutrality ISPs would get to choose winners and losers on the internet depending on how much money they have.

Of what? The Super Bowl?

They would get to block, throttle and favor any website they wish and they have the political and business incentive to do so. After all, they have done so in the past.

That businesses have done things that you don't like doesn't make it objective fact that the internet must be free and open. This is your opinion on what is best, not fact.

No one except ISPS and authoritarians want that because it hurts businesses and internet freedoms. Therefore, net neutrality is objectively right for a free and open internet as a public square.

No it's not. You're just telling me what you want and what you think is the best way to get it. You aren't proving that the internet must, as a matter of objective fact, be free and open.Your reasoning is really no different from people saying that marriage is objectively for opposite sex couples only.

[The Flutterlands]

Look, dude, if you wanna keep the mods off your back, you gonna have to cool it with the whole net neutrality issue, and understand that sometimes things don't go your way -- and that it's poor form to be a bitch about it.

Net Neutrality is the only way it can go. Even if it doesn't it must be made to go that way on the state level, even in rebellion against state preemption. There is nothing that can change that.

I don't see any reason why ISPs should be allowed to extort us for more profit with a tired internet.

[Ifreann]

Look, dude, if you wanna keep the mods off your back, you gonna have to cool it with the whole net neutrality issue, and understand that sometimes things don't go your way -- and that it's poor form to be a bitch about it.

Net Neutrality is the only way it can go. Even if it doesn't it must be made to go that way on the state level, even in rebellion against state preemption.

Nope. This is just what you want. You wanting something doesn't make it factually the only acceptable course of action.

[The Flutterlands]

Net Neutrality is the only way it can go. Even if it doesn't it must be made to go that way on the state level, even in rebellion against state preemption.

Nope. This is just what you want. You wanting something doesn't make it factually the only acceptable course of action.

I don't care. States must rebel against the preemption. It is an imperative if all else fails. Unless you think ISPs should be able to extort us for more profit.

[Corrian]

Have fun with that.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nope. This is just what you want. You wanting something doesn't make it factually the only acceptable course of action.

I don't care. States must rebel against the preemption. It is an imperative if all else fails. Unless you think ISPs should be able to extort us for more profit.

You've already been told why this is a bad idea. Stop.

[Ifreann]

Nope. This is just what you want. You wanting something doesn't make it factually the only acceptable course of action.

I don't care.

Just like you were telling us that your morality is objectively superior, and then you didn't care about that. Every justification is dropped when we push back against it, then next week you'll be telling us the same shit again. It would simplify things for all of us if you just didn't bother coming up with these justifications in the first place. Next time you want to call us all cowards for not overthrowing the government, or whatever, just admit that there is no superior morality or objective fact behind it, it's just what you want.

[Dahon]

Or to put it simply (and provocatively):

You just want people to concede. You may or may not have the objective facts with you, but once convinced you have it you will stop at nothing to have people come around to your opinion, even through extremities.

To this extent, you are no better than Trump -- with you as well as with him there is an impressive will to dictate the wills of others, but with it comes an aversion to as well as an intolerance of anything that doesn't go your way.

(And now, back to me moping off elsewhere.)

[The Flutterlands]

Or to put it simply (and provocatively):

You just want people to concede. You may or may not have the objective facts with you, but once convinced you have it you will stop at nothing to have people come around to your opinion, even through extremities.

To this extent, you are no better than Trump -- with you as well as with him there is an impressive will to dictate the wills of others, but with it comes an aversion to as well as an intolerance of anything that doesn't go your way.

(And now, back to me moping off elsewhere.)

Except what I want is actually best for everyone, having a free and open internet without corporate interference. So I don't see how I'm any thing like Trump who wants to control everything.

Fine though. Guess I should just move to Canada should the net neutrality battle be lost.

[Valrifell]

Or to put it simply (and provocatively):

You just want people to concede. You may or may not have the objective facts with you, but once convinced you have it you will stop at nothing to have people come around to your opinion, even through extremities.

To this extent, you are no better than Trump -- with you as well as with him there is an impressive will to dictate the wills of others, but with it comes an aversion to as well as an intolerance of anything that doesn't go your way.

(And now, back to me moping off elsewhere.)

Except what I want is actually best for everyone

That's funny, Big Brother told me the same thing.

[The Flutterlands]

Except what I want is actually best for everyone

That's funny, Big Brother told me the same thing.

Except it has been proven to be best for everyone. How does me wanting to make an internet free from corporations make me any thing at all like a dictator?

[Valrifell]

That's funny, Big Brother told me the same thing.

Except it has been proven to be best for everyone. How does me wanting to make an internet frew from corporations make me any thing at all like a dictator?

You're using the same tactics to try and convince people to your cause. Mostly, the insistence that you're always right on this topic and the call for radical action without any precedent or proofs.

[The Flutterlands]

I must ask, did I post anything illegal? I haven't advocated armed riots or anything, just how much I disagree with state preemption on net neutrality that it should be ignored because of how stupid it is...

[Valrifell]

I must ask, did I post anything illegal? I haven't advocated armed riots or anything

Today? No, I don't think so.

Most of the thread's annoyance at you comes from you beating a dead horse, the revolutionary zeal is just another thing to get ticked about.

[Proctopeo]

I must ask, did I post anything illegal? I haven't advocated armed riots or anything

Today? No, I don't think so.

Most of the thread's annoyance at you comes from you beating a dead horse, the revolutionary zeal is just another thing to get ticked about.

Storm the Bundestag!
But first, let's have a beer.

[Petrasylvania]

I must ask, did I post anything illegal? I haven't advocated armed riots or anything, just how much I disagree with state preemption on net neutrality that it should be ignored...

A few people in the thread are tired of you imagining yourself the leader of some heroic resistance against soulless corporations and ranting for a coup every week even though your vote demanded the end of net neutrality by picking the moron who ran on the pledge to do so just because you were triggered by the Democratic primaries and wanted Clinton to suck it and use her tongue.

[Proctopeo]

I must ask, did I post anything illegal? I haven't advocated armed riots or anything, just how much I disagree with state preemption on net neutrality that it should be ignored...

A few people in the thread are tired of you imagining yourself the leader of some heroic resistance against soulless corporations and ranting for a coup every week even though your vote demanded the end of net neutrality by picking the moron who ran on the pledge to do so just because you were triggered by the Democratic primaries and wanted Clinton to suck it and use her tongue.

He annoys me too, but he's already atoned for his ultimate sin.
It would be nice if he advanced beyond the second stage of grief, though...