Should men and women be boarded together in prison?

[The Black Party]

This is just a bad idea, in my opinion. The risk of sexual assult would be a serious problem.

If only there were guards in the prisons who could prevent that kind of thing.

What kind of autistic are you? MEN are raped in prisons, what makes you think a few more guards will solve this?

[Happy Little Pine Trees]

It's difficult to answer this one without sounding sexist and/or horribly evil or deluded.

Honestly, I think it'd be more trouble than it's worth. People in prison aren't known for being upstanding, moral citizens.

(not that men & women shouldn't interact at all- there are activities in prison so the prisoners don't go mad with boredom, and those activities could always be mixed gender. There's just no reason to make that a 24/7 gig.(

[The Black Party]

Fuck this, I'm not taking a slap for flaming for this

Unrelated but:
"Slut pride"?
What?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

The whole "fear of child support bills" is removed, as no one's going to want to hire them when they get out, so they figure they have nothing left to lose by having spawn conceived by criminals and raised in the womb with criminal genes and a prisoner's diet.

What the fuck?

Do you honestly believe that criminality is genetic?

Exclusively? No.

Partially? Yes.

We already know of "warrior genes" in particular. Given variance in genetics, variance in behaviour, and the correlation of genes and behaviour throughout the animal kingdom, it stands to reason that warrior genes are probably just the tip of the iceberg.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Fuck this, I'm not taking a slap for flaming for this

Unrelated but:
"Slut pride"?
What?

TG me if youre curious

[The Black Party]

We already know of "warrior genes" in particular.

science is racist

[United Muscovite Nations]

Unrelated but:
"Slut pride"?
What?

TG me if youre curious

I'm sorry maam, I can't let you do that.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Generally speaking. Women should have to meet the same requirements as men.

Which they can't for the overwhelming majority, and the Marines found that putting them into combat arms drastically reduced unit effectiveness.

Probably due to distracting the boys rather than any ineffectiveness on their own part.

[Fartsniffage]

Which they can't for the overwhelming majority, and the Marines found that putting them into combat arms drastically reduced unit effectiveness.

Probably due to distracting the boys rather than any ineffectiveness on their own part.

You seem to have a weird idea about how men act around women. You do know that mixed sex businesses work perfectly well?

[The Black Party]

TG me if youre curious

I'm sorry maam, I can't let you do that.

oh damn its the boys in blue holy robes

[Oil exporting People]

Probably due to distracting the boys rather than any ineffectiveness on their own part.

It's a matter of both, because while they did find that the men were more likely to try to better cater to them (carrying more gear, taking more tasks to prevent them from doing so and getting more exhausted in the process, etc), they've also found most women simply can't pass the adjusted training regimes. The Marines, for example, IIRC had to reduce the pullup requirement for them.

[Oil exporting People]

You seem to have a weird idea about how men act around women. You do know that mixed sex businesses work perfectly well?

Except for all those sexual issues that emerged this year, for example.

[Ifreann]

...what?

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lol

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If only there were guards in the prisons who could prevent that kind of thing.

There are a huge amount of problems in prisons, especially in the US, with regards to the effectiveness of guards.

Problems that obviously should be solved regardless of the living arrangements in prisons going forward.

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If only there were guards in the prisons who could prevent that kind of thing.

What kind of autistic are you?

Not autistic.

MEN are raped in prisons,

So are women.

what makes you think a few more guards will solve this?

Who else is going to protect prisoners from rapists?

Batman?

[Fartsniffage]

You seem to have a weird idea about how men act around women. You do know that mixed sex businesses work perfectly well?

Except for all those sexual issues that emerged this year, for example.

You're right. Some people are dicks.

That's why we pre-emptively drown every child at birth so we can be sure they won't become a murderer. *nods*

[The Black Party]

You seem to have a weird idea about how men act around women. You do know that mixed sex businesses work perfectly well?

Business and prisons work kinda differently.

[Ifreann]

Business and prisons work kinda differently.

In the US, prisons are businesses.

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

If only there were guards in the prisons who could prevent that kind of thing.

First step is to outlaw private prisons; they actually have incentive to order their guards to stand down when rapes happen. Fucks the prisoners up for life, causing them to be more likely to re-offend when they get out, giving verbal ammunition to the "tough on crime" BS that serves private prisons' interests.

Second step's a little tougher; decide how to deal with the offenders. The prisoners outnumber the guards several times over. So it's a matter of deterrence; but these are prisoners with little left to lose. Do we execute them? Castrate them? If the latter, doesn't it make them vulnerable to getting raped themselves much more frequently than before? If we castrate those who rape them, how long before everyone's castrated? What's stopping them from using inanimate objects to commit their rapes instead?

[Oil exporting People]

You're right. Some people are dicks.

That's why we pre-emptively drown every child at birth so we can be sure they won't become a murderer. *nods*

Obvious hyperbole is obvious; it's also very telling you had to drop your anecdotal argument concerning the military.

[The Black Party]

There are a huge amount of problems in prisons, especially in the US, with regards to the effectiveness of guards.

Problems that obviously should be solved regardless of the living arrangements in prisons going forward.

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What kind of autistic are you?

Not autistic.

MEN are raped in prisons,

So are women.

what makes you think a few more guards will solve this?

Who else is going to protect prisoners from rapists?

Batman?

You're avoiding all logical debate. If MEN are raped in prisons, and homosapians are statistically, majorly STRAIGHT, then adding WOMEN to PRISONS will INCREASE sexual assaults. This is hard to combat because there are not ENOUGH GUARDS for the CHOCK-FULL American PRISONS, and not enough guards to be HIRED.

ARE you UNDERSTANDING me?

[Fartsniffage]

You're right. Some people are dicks.

That's why we pre-emptively drown every child at birth so we can be sure they won't become a murderer. *nods*

Obvious hyperbole is obvious; it's also very telling you had to drop your anecdotal argument concerning the military.

I limit my arguments to those I consider bright enough to understand them.

[The Black Party]

Business and prisons work kinda differently.

In the US, prisons are businesses.

Think about the level of retardation in your reply. I'll give you a minute.

[Ifreann]

If only there were guards in the prisons who could prevent that kind of thing.

First step is to outlaw private prisons; they actually have incentive to order their guards to stand down when rapes happen. Fucks the prisoners up for life, causing them to be more likely to re-offend when they get out, giving verbal ammunition to the "tough on crime" BS that serves private prisons' interests.

Second step's a little tougher; decide how to deal with the offenders.

Put them on trial and increase their sentence as necessary if they're convicted, obviously.

The prisoners outnumber the guards several times over. So it's a matter of deterrence; but these are prisoners with little left to lose. Do we execute them?

No.

Castrate them?

No.

If the latter, doesn't it make them vulnerable to getting raped themselves much more frequently than before?

No. Especially not the women. Castration generally doesn't do anything to them.

[Fartsniffage]

In the US, prisons are businesses.

Think about the level of retardation in your reply. I'll give you a minute.

I'll not give you a minute. The OP talked about both prisons and the military. You picked only one when you first replied to me despite me have been solely discussing the military.

Do you want to reconsider your attitude?

[LimaUniformNovemberAlpha]

Probably due to distracting the boys rather than any ineffectiveness on their own part.

You seem to have a weird idea about how men act around women. You do know that mixed sex businesses work perfectly well?

You don't know that. Any number of factors can be influencing whether or not those businesses could be doing even better than they are. Even putting women into combat was done right around when military technology was improving rapidly, which might have offset the difference.

Also, war is a situation in which any one of them can die at any moment. It's a "now or never" sort of thing, where "how will this affect my reputation come this time next year" is less relevant than in an ordinary job.

[Longweather]

I wonder what opposite sex cohabitation would do to rape statistics in jails. It's an interesting thought.