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Postby War Gears » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:54 am

Trumptonium wrote:No it wasn't


Generalplan ost, the Nazis' plan to rape, murder, and enslave the Eastern European population into submission, is a very real documented thing.
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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:03 am

The of Japan wrote:
Jhman wrote:
What is your view on Palestinians who support Adolf Hitler ?
Oppression does not make a people better but worse

The Arabs supported hitler their time, and that include the ones in judea.


Don't be unreasonable. We all know the whole world hated Hitler in 1940 because we are all kumbaya people.

War Gears wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:No it wasn't


Generalplan ost, the Nazis' plan to rape, murder, and enslave the Eastern European population into submission, is a very real documented thing.


Implying the average Latvian and Slovakian who benefited from Nazi rule (i.e. liberated and given relative freedom & autonomy) at the time would have known about top secret Nazi plans hidden in the depths of Nazi institutions that were only uncovered after the war.

Are you being obtuse by purpose?
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Postby War Gears » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:05 am

Trumptonium wrote:Implying the average Latvian and Slovakian who benefited from Nazi rule (i.e. liberated and given relative freedom & autonomy) at the time would have known about top secret Nazi plans hidden in the depths of Nazi institutions that were only uncovered after the war.

Are you being obtuse by purpose?


You denied that they were waging a war of extermination against these people, not about whether or not they knew it.

No, but you're intentionally being dishonest.
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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:11 am

War Gears wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:Implying the average Latvian and Slovakian who benefited from Nazi rule (i.e. liberated and given relative freedom & autonomy) at the time would have known about top secret Nazi plans hidden in the depths of Nazi institutions that were only uncovered after the war.

Are you being obtuse by purpose?


You denied that they were waging a war of extermination against these people, not about whether or not they knew it.

No, but you're intentionally being dishonest.


They weren't waging a war of extermination against these people. You yourself admitted this was a fucking plan.

On that note, non-aggression with the Soviet Union was also a plan.

Very few ethnic Latvians and Slovakians were killed, and these were only political dissidents. They were treated on a relative equal level to Aryans. Some Slavs, such as Sorbians and ethnic Poles who speak a particular dialect, were granted 'honorary Aryan' status and treated as ethnic Germans.

Although the Nazis were fucking horrendous, it is a beyond ridiculous idea that Nazis marched from A to Z and killed every non-German on sight. More than that, it's just fucking insulting to real victims of Nazi murders.

Heck, most ethnic Poles and Russians were relatively safe under Nazi rule, contrary to popular belief. 150 million people didn't just disappear when the Nazis took over and reappear when they left to avoid death.

Not even Jews were killed on sight, in most cases. Only gathered up and then murdered en masse. The same misfortune wasn't shared by ethnic Slavs, to a large extent.
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Postby War Gears » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:38 am

Trumptonium wrote:
War Gears wrote:
You denied that they were waging a war of extermination against these people, not about whether or not they knew it.

No, but you're intentionally being dishonest.


They weren't waging a war of extermination against these people. You yourself admitted this was a fucking plan.

On that note, non-aggression with the Soviet Union was also a plan.

Very few ethnic Latvians and Slovakians were killed, and these were only political dissidents. They were treated on a relative equal level to Aryans. Some Slavs, such as Sorbians and ethnic Poles who speak a particular dialect, were granted 'honorary Aryan' status and treated as ethnic Germans.


Something being a plan doesn't prevent it from being partially carried out, which the Nazis actively did in Russia and the Ukraine.

Certain Slavic people who were deemed to have German blood and were able to be "Germanized" were, the fact that they were going to assimilate a few who they thought were racially Nordic doesn't detract or erase their atrocities and desire to exterminate the rest of the populace. Your arguments sound a lot like the Neo Nazis who insist that the Holocaust didn't happen because Hitler granted a couple of people with Jewish blood "Honorary Aryan" status, which leaves little doubt about your real political orientation.
Trumptonium wrote:it's just fucking insulting to real victims of Nazi murders.


Let's not pretend that you care about the victims of Nazi murders.
Trumptonium wrote:Heck, most ethnic Poles and Russians were relatively safe under Nazi rule, contrary to popular belief. 150 million people didn't just disappear when the Nazis took over and reappear when they left to avoid death.


Uh-huh. You should stop digging yourself even deeper into that grave.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:48 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:No, he was a right-wing Jacobin.


You say that like being right-wing is generally a bad thing...
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:49 am

Who honestly knows what "they" would think if they'd be born somewhere else and had a different ubringing with a different set of values. Flip a coin, that person isn't you.
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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:08 am

War Gears wrote:which leaves little doubt about your real political orientation.


Hahahaha. Fuck off.

Not going to be taught by someone who can't point to Ukraine on the map about what happened when the Nazis invaded Eastern Europe and be lectured on who was and wasn't targeted and to what extent.

I wholly support imprisonment of fascists and communists, by the way.
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Postby War Gears » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:17 am

Trumptonium wrote:Hahahaha. Fuck off.


Rather unnecessary. Are you trying to offend me? Because you're failing miserably.
Trumptonium wrote:Not going to be taught by someone who can't point to Ukraine on the map


That's a pretty wild guess to make, and an incorrect one.
Trumptonium wrote:I wholly support imprisonment of fascists and communists, by the way.


Let's be real, no you don't. All you're doing is spewing the same Alt-right and Neo Nazi jargon whenever getting caught with your pants down when defending Hitler.
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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:37 am

War Gears wrote:x


whatever
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:50 am

Trumptonium wrote:
War Gears wrote:x


whatever


The thing I find most fascinating about all this is that you're a Polish person supporting Hitler. Like what the fuck? You guys had it the fucking worst.
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Postby Katganistan » Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:01 am

Trumptonium wrote:
War Gears wrote:which leaves little doubt about your real political orientation.


Hahahaha. Fuck off.

Not going to be taught by someone who can't point to Ukraine on the map about what happened when the Nazis invaded Eastern Europe and be lectured on who was and wasn't targeted and to what extent.

I wholly support imprisonment of fascists and communists, by the way.

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Postby Tokora » Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:03 am

Trumptonium wrote:I wholly support imprisonment of fascists and communists, by the way.

You realize that not all Communists are stalinists right?

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Dec 25, 2017 11:00 am

Trumptonium wrote:
The of Japan wrote:The Arabs supported hitler their time, and that include the ones in judea.


Don't be unreasonable. We all know the whole world hated Hitler in 1940 because we are all kumbaya people.

War Gears wrote:
Generalplan ost, the Nazis' plan to rape, murder, and enslave the Eastern European population into submission, is a very real documented thing.


Implying the average Latvian and Slovakian who benefited from Nazi rule (i.e. liberated and given relative freedom & autonomy) at the time would have known about top secret Nazi plans hidden in the depths of Nazi institutions that were only uncovered after the war.

Are you being obtuse by purpose?

While they didn’t know about it at first, they found out about it when the ethnic cleansing started.
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Postby Nyazi Germany » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:07 pm

If I was an Afrikaner maybe.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:12 pm

Nyazi Germany wrote:If I was an Afrikaner maybe.

But would the Nazis support Dutch culture?

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Postby Nyazi Germany » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:13 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nyazi Germany wrote:If I was an Afrikaner maybe.

But would the Nazis support Dutch culture?

It would mean I probably wouldn't have been exterminated.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:15 pm

Nyazi Germany wrote:
Genivaria wrote:But would the Nazis support Dutch culture?

It would mean I probably wouldn't have been exterminated.

It says alot when this is the benchmark.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:16 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nyazi Germany wrote:If I was an Afrikaner maybe.

But would the Nazis support Dutch culture?

Probably. They are Germanic after all.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:16 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nyazi Germany wrote:It would mean I probably wouldn't have been exterminated.

It says alot when this is the benchmark.


Probably would've become an Untermench in Nazi eyes after the war if we're honest here
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Postby Nyazi Germany » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:16 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Nyazi Germany wrote:It would mean I probably wouldn't have been exterminated.

It says alot when this is the benchmark.

In the unlikely event they had somehow managed to win you gotta take what you get.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:17 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It says alot when this is the benchmark.


Probably would've become an Untermench in Nazi eyes after the war if we're honest here

Dutch? Nah.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:17 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It says alot when this is the benchmark.


Probably would've become an Untermench in Nazi eyes after the war if we're honest here

No that would be the Italian and British Fascists I reckon.
The European 'Axis' would naturally revolve around Germany first and always.

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Postby Nyazi Germany » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:21 pm

Dutch were definitely not in the "eradicate" list.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Dec 25, 2017 1:21 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Probably would've become an Untermench in Nazi eyes after the war if we're honest here

No that would be the Italian and British Fascists I reckon.
The European 'Axis' would naturally revolve around Germany first and always.

Hitler saw the British as fellow Aryans. The Italians on the other hand, well that would have to be seen.
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