Left-Wing Discussion Thread III

[Genivaria]

I have actually read Mein Kampf yes.
Trump is not Hitler, if you had to compare him to any historical figure he'd be closer to Caligula with his stupidity and arrogance.

That's unfair to Trump. Until he appoints Eric to the Supreme Court, you can't say he made a horse consul.

Okay, that made me actually laugh out loud.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

I have actually read Mein Kampf yes.
Trump is not Hitler, if you had to compare him to any historical figure he'd be closer to Caligula with his stupidity and arrogance.

Well, you are just being silly. Conversation over.

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes, even in quasi-fascist states, like the U.S., the state tends to weaken (as with the UN massively voting down the U.S. proposal to more the embassy to Jerusalem). Further decline often leads to more political repression.

....Really?

Every non-socialist state is some degree fascist, and every apperently socialist state so far is not actually socialist because socialism only happens when everyone works without pay or threat.

[Genivaria]

....Really?

Every non-socialist state is some degree fascist, and every apperently socialust state so far is not actually socialist because socialism only happens when everyone works without pay or threat.

I mean, sure as long as we're just making up definitions now.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Every non-socialist state is some degree fascist, and every apperently socialust state so far is not actually socialist because socialism only happens when everyone works without pay or threat.

Well, if every non-socialist state is fascist than fascism becomes just a synonym for non-socialism. I think that the definition needs to be more nuanced.

[The Parkus Empire]

Every non-socialist state is some degree fascist, and every apperently socialust state so far is not actually socialist because socialism only happens when everyone works without pay or threat.

Well, if every non-socialist state is fascist than fascism becomes just a synonym for non-socialism. I think that the definition needs to be more nuanced.

Nuance that is not socialist, is fascist. Just a way to disguise fascism with "variety" and shield it from criticism.

[Genivaria]

Well, if every non-socialist state is fascist than fascism becomes just a synonym for non-socialism. I think that the definition needs to be more nuanced.

Nuance that is not socialist, is fascist. Just a way to disguise fascism with "variety" and shield it from criticism.

Okay calm down there McCar- wait no, what's like the opposite of McCarthy?

[Bakery Hill]

The rise of Fascism as a function in Italy, German and Spain stands up to the Trotskyist definition.

No, it doesn't, and don't make me laugh. Trotsky's class analysises of political and art movements reeks of someone better suited to be a pretentious college professor at the local community college than an actual political figure.

That was more his background, but he did quite well despite it.

The Biennio Rosso had already decayed and died well before the March on Rome, the decision to placate the blackshirts had more to do with Victor Emmanuel worrying if his forces would fire on nationalist veterans than it did worry about the Reds. Italy becoming Fascist would only happen three years later after popular uproar at the death of a socialist senator who had been kidnapped and killed by Fascist hardliners, and Mussolini being given the ultimatum by his Rases to deal with the situation else they would deal with it.

That conforms with my understanding of the matter. The fascist reaction began in force as the Biennio Rosso was ending and they'd taken power not two years later.

Nazism suffered extreme setbacks during the twenties and was only able to obtain power in the thirties due to a lot of backroom maneuvering, not the fear of a Communist Revolution, which had been defeated by the good soc dems and was no longer a serious threat. Considering that Hitler still had to make numerous concessions to the upper classes, including purging the brownshirts, there's little reason to believe Trotsky's class analysis.

Communism was still very much considered a threat despite the SPD backing the Weimar Republic over the communists in 1919 and onward. It had rebuilt it's strength to the point that it was considered dangerous I certainly don't think this, like in Italy was, the only consideration. But to downplay it would be very foolish. To my knowledge Hitler's subsequent deals with the upper class conform with his analysis.

The Falangists in the thirties remained a small party which enjoyed little support, causing it's leaders to disassociate themselves from the label of "Fascism." it was only with Franco forcibly merging them with the other right-wing political organizations that they enjoyed any real support.

Franco ultimately did not really instate fascism in a real sense anyway, despite incorporating large aspects of it. But his coalition performed the same function, a reaction against the left.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Nuance that is not socialist, is fascist. Just a way to disguise fascism with "variety" and shield it from criticism.

Any revolutionary needs to be able to clearly recognize the enemy when it appears and then develop the appropriate strategies and tactics to destroy it.

[The Parkus Empire]

Any revolutionary needs to be able to clearly recognize the enemy when it appears and then develop the appropriate strategies and tactics to destroy it.

It appeared thousands of years ago: fascism. The way to destroy it remains: revolution.

[Crysuko]

Any revolutionary needs to be able to clearly recognize the enemy when it appears and then develop the appropriate strategies and tactics to destroy it.

The appeared thousands of years ago: fascism. The way to destroy it remains: revolution.

but it can't be another popular front situation in which it ends up being a civil war inside a civil war due to ideological disagreements

[United Muscovite Nations]

A Nazi called Heimbach? Sorry that surname sounds Jewish as fuck lmao.

Is that guy in the 2nd picture this "Heimbach" because he doesn't look Germanic in the slightest.

Yes the guy in the Second picture is Heimbach, truly a perfect example of what the master race looks like.

Please don't post Heimbach; he makes me cringe internally. Aflaq makes me happy though.

Heimbach is the literal definition of cringe, I mean look at this picture. Also Aflaq is one of the greatest people to ever live.

It looks like he's in a Broadway musical, lmao

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes the guy in the Second picture is Heimbach, truly a perfect example of what the master race looks like.


Heimbach is the literal definition of cringe, I mean look at this picture. Also Aflaq is one of the greatest people to ever live.

It looks like he's in a Broadway musical, lmao

Heh heh, we excommunicated him.

[War Gears]

Any revolutionary needs to be able to clearly recognize the enemy when it appears and then develop the appropriate strategies and tactics to destroy it.

It appeared thousands of years ago: fascism. The way to destroy it remains: revolution.

MFW we've managed to fool people into believing the bourgeois are behind Fascism.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

It appeared thousands of years ago: fascism. The way to destroy it remains: revolution.

I agree with you, fascism was the dominant system in premodernity (even though the name wasn't coined until Mussolini). Modernity offered a not quite fare-do-well escape from fascism. However, it was never complete. Communism, assuming we don't destroy ourselves first, will be that completion.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

MFW we've managed to fool people into believing the bourgeois are behind Fascism.

If not the bourgeoisie, then whom?

[War Gears]

MFW we've managed to fool people into believing the bourgeois are behind Fascism.

If not the bourgeoisie, then whom?

Who else besides those in the spoiler.

[The Parkus Empire]

It appeared thousands of years ago: fascism. The way to destroy it remains: revolution.

I agree with you, fascism was the dominant system in premodernity (even though the name wasn't coined until Mussolini). Modernity offered a not quite fare-do-well escape from fascism. However, it was never complete. Communism, assuming we don't destroy ourselves first, will be that completion.

Modernity brought totalitarianism and nationalism, so even more fascist.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Fascism: Size Cult, Speed Cult, literal accelerationism

Multiversal Communist Collective: feudalism is fascist because its not communism

[Trotskylvania]

MFW we've managed to fool people into believing the bourgeois are behind Fascism.

If not the bourgeoisie, then whom?

While fascists generally come to power when existing ruling classes make a Faustian bargain with fascists, fascists values are completely antithetical to the bourgeoisie. Fascist romanticism was disdainful of concrete economic policy, and fascist governments generally relied on collaborators outside the movement to do the heavy lifting of running the national economy.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Who else besides those in the spoiler.

There is no spoiler in your sig.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Modernity brought totalitarianism and nationalism, so even more fascist.

Which is one of the reasons I am not too optimistic about the future.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Fascism: Size Cult, Speed Cult, literal accelerationism

Multiversal Communist Collective: feudalism is fascist because its not communism

That is like saying: Dogs are cats because they are not birds. You just created a word salad.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

While fascists generally come to power when existing ruling classes make a Faustian bargain with fascists, fascists values are completely antithetical to the bourgeoisie. Fascist romanticism was disdainful of concrete economic policy, and fascist governments generally relied on collaborators outside the movement to do the heavy lifting of running the national economy.

Sure, the fascists have their worker bees like the U.S. plantation owners had their rednecks. However, the fascists themselves are largely bourgeoisie.

[Bakery Hill]

While fascists generally come to power when existing ruling classes make a Faustian bargain with fascists, fascists values are completely antithetical to the bourgeoisie. Fascist romanticism was disdainful of concrete economic policy, and fascist governments generally relied on collaborators outside the movement to do the heavy lifting of running the national economy.

Sure, the fascists have their worker bees like the U.S. plantation owners had their rednecks. However, the fascists themselves are largely bourgeoisie.

Why do you say this? Surely they have cross-class appeal?