FCC to repeal Net Neutrality Bill

[Salandriagado]

No, and we never will (because of those same information density bounds, plus the speed of light).

So for any given n achievable there are n+1 uses.

You didn't say achievable: you said for any n, there is a use for n+1. I gave an explicit n for which there is no use for n+1.

[Grand Britannia]

I have unlimited data over my phone. When my cap runs out I get throttled, but it still works.

AFAIK most major companies offer these plans, and you have coverage with one or the other all across the US.

Great, so you only need to wait a month or two to install software. That's much better, obviously. We're back into "nothing you can call functional with a straight face". Note also that we have been explicitly discussing data-capped plans this whole time.

Took me three days to download around 4 GBs worth of data.

So no, not really a month, unless you're installing a game.

[Taihei Tengoku]

So for any given n achievable there are n+1 uses.

You didn't say achievable: you said for any n, there is a use for n+1. I gave an explicit n for which there is no use for n+1.

I am unfamiliar to the art of arguing with pedants, forgive me.

[Salandriagado]

Great, so you only need to wait a month or two to install software. That's much better, obviously. We're back into "nothing you can call functional with a straight face". Note also that we have been explicitly discussing data-capped plans this whole time.

Took me three days to download around 4 GBs worth of data.

So no, not really a month, unless you're installing a game.

So yes, months, for a large chunk of all software downloads.

[Proctopeo]

Took me three days to download around 4 GBs worth of data.

So no, not really a month, unless you're installing a game.

So yes, months, for a large chunk of all software downloads.

Most of the stuff I have is far less than 40 gigabytes in size, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edit: And, anyway, with my download speed a 40 gigabyte file wouldn't take dramatically long to download anyway; only about 9.5 hours.

[Grand Britannia]

Took me three days to download around 4 GBs worth of data.

So no, not really a month, unless you're installing a game.

So yes, months, for a large chunk of all software downloads.

"a large chunk"

You must be equating your usage to most consumers.

A lot of commonly used and available programs people acquire online rarely break the 1 GB mark. Installing a driver doesn't take multiple GBs, downloading music doesnt either.

Most people now a days use Netflix for movies and the like which, if I have the patience, I can watch anyways.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Took me three days to download around 4 GBs worth of data.

So no, not really a month, unless you're installing a game.

So yes, months, for a large chunk of all software downloads.

Which is why you use wifi.

It's not easy giving everybody internet where they please. Which is why wifi tends to be a more cheaper and convenient solution. You download at home, not on the road or wherever you please

[Rostavykhan]

Yes, it is: gaming has a tiny impact. It is also very basic: the overwhelming majority of all internet users do it in one form or another.

You also haven't addressed one of the most common online activities: downloading and installing software. Doing that over mobile internet would be functionally impossible for most software.

I've updated my tablet and installed a few things over it though.

It takes time but it works.

For you.

Unless I'm using wifi at home, tethering with my phone won't even let a computer load NS, and downloading even small files (less than 100mb) either takes several minutes, or fails.

I live an a generally good area for internet as well.

[Corrian]

My phone barely gets a signal where I live.

[Naval Monte]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayl7g3ZyEAs

[Grand Britannia]

I've updated my tablet and installed a few things over it though.

It takes time but it works.

For you.

Unless I'm using wifi at home, tethering with my phone won't even let a computer load NS, and downloading even small files (less than 100mb) either takes several minutes, or fails.

I live an a generally good area for internet as well.

When it says "download failed" you just have to hit resume.

[Saiwania]

Some bad news is that my ISP is one of the ISP companies which have gone on record as saying that they will be raising their rates post net neutrality in 2018. I might need to downgrade a service tier and get inferior internet to what I have now. Cox enjoys a near monopoly in my location as it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXrnfSty0pw

[Petrasylvania]

Some bad news is that my ISP is one of the ISP companies which have gone on record as saying that they will be raising their rates post net neutrality in 2018. I might need to downgrade a service tier and get inferior internet to what I have now. Cox enjoys a near monopoly in my location as it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXrnfSty0pw

But Free Market! Invisible Hand!

[Salandriagado]

So yes, months, for a large chunk of all software downloads.

"a large chunk"

You must be equating your usage to most consumers.

A lot of commonly used and available programs people acquire online rarely break the 1 GB mark. Installing a driver doesn't take multiple GBs, downloading music doesnt either.

Most people now a days use Netflix for movies and the like which, if I have the patience, I can watch anyways.

No, that's you. I'm equating actual common usage with most consumers. Shall we look at some of the most commonly downloaded programs out there? Things like Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare? (90GB), for example?

[Salandriagado]

So yes, months, for a large chunk of all software downloads.

Which is why you use wifi.

It's not easy giving everybody internet where they please. Which is why wifi tends to be a more cheaper and convenient solution. You download at home, not on the road or wherever you please

Kindly stop spouting inanities into a discussion you don't understand.

[Grand Britannia]

"a large chunk"

You must be equating your usage to most consumers.

A lot of commonly used and available programs people acquire online rarely break the 1 GB mark. Installing a driver doesn't take multiple GBs, downloading music doesnt either.

Most people now a days use Netflix for movies and the like which, if I have the patience, I can watch anyways.

No, that's you. I'm equating actual common usage with most consumers. Shall we look at some of the most commonly downloaded programs out there? Things like Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare? (90GB), for example?

"no u"

Downloading videogames isn't something you do everyday, or every month even. If you did you probably don't fall under "average user".

[Salandriagado]

No, that's you. I'm equating actual common usage with most consumers. Shall we look at some of the most commonly downloaded programs out there? Things like Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare? (90GB), for example?

"no u"

Downloading videogames isn't something you do everyday, or every month even. If you did you probably don't fall under "average user".

It is something that a large percentage of the population does on a semi-regular basis. Suppose you're doing it once per year (a very much average number): then that's 65 days of constant internet usage blocked out.

[-Ocelot-]

Some bad news is that my ISP is one of the ISP companies which have gone on record as saying that they will be raising their rates post net neutrality in 2018. I might need to downgrade a service tier and get inferior internet to what I have now. Cox enjoys a near monopoly in my location as it is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXrnfSty0pw

B b but I thought repealing neutrality would increase innovation, lower prices, solve world hunger etc etc.

[Emericia]

Installing a driver doesn't take multiple GBs, downloading music doesnt either.

Clearly you've never installed Nvidia drivers before. Drivers + Geforce Experience is 600 mbs, then after installing downloads 'updated' drivers all over again (sometimes in multiple for cumulative updates)

[Corrian]

For an idea of how it is for some people, I have 195 games installed on Steam alone.

[Grand Britannia]

Installing a driver doesn't take multiple GBs, downloading music doesnt either.

Clearly you've never installed Nvidia drivers before. Drivers + Geforce Experience is 600 mbs, then after installing downloads 'updated' drivers all over again (sometimes in multiple for cumulative updates)

I own a GTX 970.

I know what they're like, I even installed an update not long ago.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

No, that's you. I'm equating actual common usage with most consumers. Shall we look at some of the most commonly downloaded programs out there? Things like Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare? (90GB), for example?

"no u"

Downloading videogames isn't something you do everyday, or every month even. If you did you probably don't fall under "average user".

I’d say that downloading video games is average internet usage as there’s are tens of millions of console and PC owners and players in the US alone and a decent chunk of them likely download games fairly often. There’s also a good chance that many of them (including myself) also have their platforms set to auto download game updates, which can also be fairly large in file size.

[Grand Britannia]

"no u"

Downloading videogames isn't something you do everyday, or every month even. If you did you probably don't fall under "average user".

I’d say that downloading video games is average internet usage as there’s are tens of millions of console and PC owners and players in the US alone and a decent chunk of them likely download games fairly often. There’s also a good chance that many of them (including myself) also have their platforms set to auto download game updates, which can also be fairly large in file size.

It might be widespread but the individual doesn't download a game every day. If it's from Steam people usually like waiting for their big sales, and as far as gaming consoles go, they have such a small capacity that majority of the games they own are physical copies. However I've updated games via tethering before and it's still nothing that takes a week, let alone a month, to complete.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I’d say that downloading video games is average internet usage as there’s are tens of millions of console and PC owners and players in the US alone and a decent chunk of them likely download games fairly often. There’s also a good chance that many of them (including myself) also have their platforms set to auto download game updates, which can also be fairly large in file size.

It might be widespread but the individual doesn't download a game every day. If it's from Steam people usually like waiting for their big sales, and as far as gaming consoles go, they have such a small capacity that majority of the games they own are physical copies. However I've updated games via tethering before and it's still nothing that takes a week, let alone a month, to complete.

Not even. I have nearly 2 terabytes worth of downloaded games on Xbox and most all of my friends are the same way.

[Salandriagado]

I’d say that downloading video games is average internet usage as there’s are tens of millions of console and PC owners and players in the US alone and a decent chunk of them likely download games fairly often. There’s also a good chance that many of them (including myself) also have their platforms set to auto download game updates, which can also be fairly large in file size.

It might be widespread but the individual doesn't download a game every day. If it's from Steam people usually like waiting for their big sales,

When it takes literally months to download, this is irrelevant.

and as far as gaming consoles go, they have such a small capacity that majority of the games they own are physical copies.

This hasn't been true for a very long time. Most AAA console games seem to be in the 40-60GB range, and it hasn't been the case that the physical market is dominant in years.

However I've updated games via tethering before and it's still nothing that takes a week, let alone a month, to complete.

This is also irrelevant.