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Postby Galloism » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:03 am

Arlenton wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:It is the complete principle of this whole Goddamn thing. We are intitled to a free and open internet without ISPs controlling what we say and do. Why are you guys treating this like a minor inconvenience rather than an assault on the internet we know and love so much?

If ISP don't use an internet police force to eliminate left-wing influence on the internet, then eliminating Net Neutrality will be an utter failure.

They don't really have to do that. Just each time the voice gets too loud or inconvenient, block it from all their customers.

Like Telco did.
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Arlenton
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Postby Arlenton » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:05 am

Galloism wrote:
Arlenton wrote:If ISP don't use an internet police force to eliminate left-wing influence on the internet, then eliminating Net Neutrality will be an utter failure.

They don't really have to do that. Just each time the voice gets too loud or inconvenient, block it from all their customers.

Like Telco did.

The internet will be great again.

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Postby The Flutterlands » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:09 am

Computer Lab wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:"When we weighed up the lives of our fellow citizens and the right to quickly and cheaply access hentai, the choice finally became clear"

Truly an easy choice.
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You do realize that your plan of revolution against the government is both undemocratic and more economically harmful than Net Neutrality, right?

Madness. Clearly revolution is the best for government.
The Flutterlands wrote:It is the complete principle of this whole Goddamn thing. We are intitled to a free and open internet without ISPs controlling what we say and do. Why are you guys treating this like a minor inconvenience rather than an assault on the internet we know and love so much?

At least you openly claim you're entitled. You aren't entitled to shit. The internet is a fucking luxury. A useful tool? Yes. A human right? Fuck that noise.

You suddenly care about human rights? Work on fixing the foreclosure crisis. Housing is an actual human right, but people don't give a fuck about that. I recognize this is whataboutism, but you certainly aren't making rational arguments, so why should I care about that?

The internet is not a fucking luxury. That is why they made it a public utility before Ajit Pai fucked it up. People use the internet for education, work, and communications. It has become integrated in the lives of millions sharing ideas and flourishing the economy. Calling the the internet a luxury makes you sound like an elitist. I need the internet for school work. I have done my school work on the internet. Without the internet, I may not be able to get myself ready for College or get my college work done. So no. It is not a luxury.
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:12 am

Arlenton wrote:
Galloism wrote:They don't really have to do that. Just each time the voice gets too loud or inconvenient, block it from all their customers.

Like Telco did.

The internet will be great again.


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Postby Computer Lab » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:24 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Computer Lab wrote:Truly an easy choice.

Madness. Clearly revolution is the best for government.

At least you openly claim you're entitled. You aren't entitled to shit. The internet is a fucking luxury. A useful tool? Yes. A human right? Fuck that noise.

You suddenly care about human rights? Work on fixing the foreclosure crisis. Housing is an actual human right, but people don't give a fuck about that. I recognize this is whataboutism, but you certainly aren't making rational arguments, so why should I care about that?

The internet is not a fucking luxury. That is why they made it a public utility before Ajit Pai fucked it up. People use the internet for education, work, and communications. It has become integrated in the lives of millions sharing ideas and flourishing the economy. Calling the the internet a luxury makes you sound like an elitist. I need the internet for school work. I have done my school work on the internet. Without the internet, I may not be able to get myself ready for College or get my college work done. So no. It is not a luxury.

Guess what? Lots of things that benefit the economy are a luxury. Air travel benefits the economy, but it is still a luxury.

Corporations and schools pay for lots of luxuries because they find it useful. College is also a luxury. It certainly isn't required. I fully support people getting educations, but a college education isn't a right either.

The internet is important but still a luxury.
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Postby Arlenton » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:26 am

Computer Lab wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:The internet is not a fucking luxury. That is why they made it a public utility before Ajit Pai fucked it up. People use the internet for education, work, and communications. It has become integrated in the lives of millions sharing ideas and flourishing the economy. Calling the the internet a luxury makes you sound like an elitist. I need the internet for school work. I have done my school work on the internet. Without the internet, I may not be able to get myself ready for College or get my college work done. So no. It is not a luxury.

Guess what? Lots of things that benefit the economy are a luxury. Air travel benefits the economy, but it is still a luxury.

Corporations and schools pay for lots of luxuries because they find it useful. College is also a luxury. It certainly isn't required. I fully support people getting educations, but a college education isn't a right either.

The internet is important but still a luxury.

I always thought it was a luxury TBH.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:29 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Computer Lab wrote:Truly an easy choice.

Madness. Clearly revolution is the best for government.

At least you openly claim you're entitled. You aren't entitled to shit. The internet is a fucking luxury. A useful tool? Yes. A human right? Fuck that noise.

You suddenly care about human rights? Work on fixing the foreclosure crisis. Housing is an actual human right, but people don't give a fuck about that. I recognize this is whataboutism, but you certainly aren't making rational arguments, so why should I care about that?

The internet is not a fucking luxury. That is why they made it a public utility before Ajit Pai fucked it up. People use the internet for education, work, and communications. It has become integrated in the lives of millions sharing ideas and flourishing the economy. Calling the the internet a luxury makes you sound like an elitist. I need the internet for school work. I have done my school work on the internet. Without the internet, I may not be able to get myself ready for College or get my college work done. So no. It is not a luxury.


Huh. Yknow, I hadn’t thought there were elitists without self-awareness on NS. We tend to be a self-deprecating and sarcastic lot, not droll literalists. Welcome to the club, newfriend.
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Soldati Senza Confini
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:31 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Computer Lab wrote:Truly an easy choice.

Madness. Clearly revolution is the best for government.

At least you openly claim you're entitled. You aren't entitled to shit. The internet is a fucking luxury. A useful tool? Yes. A human right? Fuck that noise.

You suddenly care about human rights? Work on fixing the foreclosure crisis. Housing is an actual human right, but people don't give a fuck about that. I recognize this is whataboutism, but you certainly aren't making rational arguments, so why should I care about that?

The internet is not a fucking luxury. That is why they made it a public utility before Ajit Pai fucked it up. People use the internet for education, work, and communications. It has become integrated in the lives of millions sharing ideas and flourishing the economy. Calling the the internet a luxury makes you sound like an elitist. I need the internet for school work. I have done my school work on the internet. Without the internet, I may not be able to get myself ready for College or get my college work done. So no. It is not a luxury.


Yes, yes it does make it a luxury.

If you lose the internet tomorrow, your quality of life would not decrease in the slightest, you'd just have more localized interactions, but your quality of life would remain the same.

It is the literal definition of a luxury.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:35 am

According to the U.N the internet is a human right. What is wrong with that? Must full access to the internet be only be avaible to rich oligarchs?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:35 am

The Flutterlands wrote:According to the U.N the internet is a human right. What is wrong with that? Must full access to the internet be only be avaible to rich oligarchs?


>implying the UN matters
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:36 am

The Flutterlands wrote:According to the U.N the internet is a human right. What is wrong with that? Must full access to the internet be only be avaible to rich oligarchs?


You mean the same organization that has China and Russia on the security council and is happy to lie in bed with dictators and people who abuse human rights at a time ten times worse than Europe and the Americas?
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Postby Arlenton » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:38 am

The Flutterlands wrote:According to the U.N the internet is a human right. What is wrong with that? Must full access to the internet be only be avaible to rich oligarchs?

When an organization recognizes a right to have others provide you internet over your right to own firearms, I think that's pretty much a red flag.

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Postby Arlenton » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:38 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:According to the U.N the internet is a human right. What is wrong with that? Must full access to the internet be only be avaible to rich oligarchs?


>implying the UN matters

Troo.

US > UN

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Postby Maineiacs » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:40 am

Arlenton wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:According to the U.N the internet is a human right. What is wrong with that? Must full access to the internet be only be avaible to rich oligarchs?

When an organization recognizes a right to have others provide you internet over your right to own firearms, I think that's pretty much a red flag.



You would. :roll:
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:40 am

Computer Lab wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:The internet is not a fucking luxury. That is why they made it a public utility before Ajit Pai fucked it up. People use the internet for education, work, and communications. It has become integrated in the lives of millions sharing ideas and flourishing the economy. Calling the the internet a luxury makes you sound like an elitist. I need the internet for school work. I have done my school work on the internet. Without the internet, I may not be able to get myself ready for College or get my college work done. So no. It is not a luxury.

Guess what? Lots of things that benefit the economy are a luxury. Air travel benefits the economy, but it is still a luxury.

Corporations and schools pay for lots of luxuries because they find it useful. College is also a luxury. It certainly isn't required. I fully support people getting educations, but a college education isn't a right either.

The internet is important but still a luxury.


To be fair, it's a luxury that's becoming more and more of a necessity these days and will become more of a necessity as time goes on.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:40 am

The Flutterlands wrote:According to the U.N the internet is a human right. What is wrong with that? Must full access to the internet be only be avaible to rich oligarchs?


Newsflash: UN joke organization stuffed with nefarious nations desperately virtue-signaling in order to get sweet aid dollars and PR for their dictators.

In other news: bear shits in woods. Experts baffled. More at 11.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:42 am

Why don't anyone care about losing their open internet rights? Do you guys really not care if ISPs decide to start extorting your favorites websites for money or blocking them because they belong to a rival? Do you not care if they decide to start making business "deals" where you have to pay more to access more websites that are not part of your internet package? Why aren't you angry about all of this?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:43 am

Arlenton wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:According to the U.N the internet is a human right. What is wrong with that? Must full access to the internet be only be avaible to rich oligarchs?

When an organization recognizes a right to have others provide you internet over your right to own firearms, I think that's pretty much a red flag.


Remember, murder is more important than the free and open exchange of information. :roll:
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:43 am

The Flutterlands wrote:Why don't anyone care about losing their open internet rights? Do you guys really not care if ISPs decide to start extorting your favorites websites for money or blocking them because they belong to a rival? Do you not care if they decide to start making business "deals" where you have to pay more to access more websites that are not part of your internet package? Why aren't you angry about all of this?


I've been around long enough to remember the internet before NN, I'm not that worried tbh.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:43 am

Vassenor wrote:
Arlenton wrote:When an organization recognizes a right to have others provide you internet over your right to own firearms, I think that's pretty much a red flag.


Remember, murder is more important than the free and open exchange of information. :roll:


C'mon, you're better than that level of shitpost.
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Postby Versail » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:44 am

The Flutterlands wrote:Why don't anyone care about losing their open internet rights? Do you guys really not care if ISPs decide to start extorting your favorites websites for money or blocking them because they belong to a rival? Do you not care if they decide to start making business "deals" where you have to pay more to access more websites that are not part of your internet package? Why aren't you angry about all of this?

Because it can be fixed in the future and right now I and others have bigger problems to worry about.

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Postby Maineiacs » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:44 am

The Flutterlands wrote:Why don't anyone care about losing their open internet rights? Do you guys really not care if ISPs decide to start extorting your favorites websites for money or blocking them because they belong to a rival? Do you not care if they decide to start making business "deals" where you have to pay more to access more websites that are not part of your internet package? Why aren't you angry about all of this?



Most of us aren't happy about this; but by the same token most of us aren't obsessed with it, either.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:46 am

The Flutterlands wrote:Why don't anyone care about losing their open internet rights? Do you guys really not care if ISPs decide to start extorting your favorites websites for money or blocking them because they belong to a rival? Do you not care if they decide to start making business "deals" where you have to pay more to access more websites that are not part of your internet package? Why aren't you angry about all of this?


You mistake not being interested in a violent revolution for not caring.

Most of the folks here support NN.

We just think blowing up the country to have it is so ass-backwards as to be an objectively invalid standpoint.
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Postby Arlenton » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:47 am

The Flutterlands wrote:Why don't anyone care about losing their open internet rights? Do you guys really not care if ISPs decide to start extorting your favorites websites for money or blocking them because they belong to a rival? Do you not care if they decide to start making business "deals" where you have to pay more to access more websites that are not part of your internet package? Why aren't you angry about all of this?

Because I'm a corporate neocon shill and this whole situation has become downright hilarious.

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Postby Galloism » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Why don't anyone care about losing their open internet rights? Do you guys really not care if ISPs decide to start extorting your favorites websites for money or blocking them because they belong to a rival? Do you not care if they decide to start making business "deals" where you have to pay more to access more websites that are not part of your internet package? Why aren't you angry about all of this?


I've been around long enough to remember the internet before NN, I'm not that worried tbh.

I remember the internet before NN too, and not being able to use facetime unless I was on wifi at a place serviced by the cable company (both AT&T and the local telephone company blocked it).
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