FCC to repeal Net Neutrality Bill

[Ethel mermania]

I was thinking of dumping netflix and getting amazon prime. How do you like it?

It has a bigger selection of movies. It's quite nice for looking for movies you might not be able to find in Netflix. But I am not sure if you'll find the same titles on Amazon Prime that you do on Netflix.

My dad has both services as a result.

Movies, old ones mostly. Netflix is an interesting company, the way they went from mail order vhs tapes and dvds, to streaming original content.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If Facebook was to die off tomorrow nothing of value would be lost.

YouTube is a content creator site from Google. They don't just "offer entertainment", they offer an essential service no other company wants to dig into, not even telecoms.

Netflix is the only one you should be worried about.

1) There would. Billions rely on it for easy communication and connection to people across the world. Not to mention the major gap in the social media market.

2) Ever heard of Youtube Red? They're actively competing with cable and others.

3) Not the only one. There are many, many more.

1. That has nothing to do with Facebook. That has to do with the advent of social media. Again, back in the day we used to have MySpace. Facebook is just another social network. You're not losing anything important if you lose Facebook.

2. Yes, that doesn't have to do with YouTube proper though. In fact I don't even pay for YouTube Red.

3. Pretty sure Netflix and related services are the only ones in deep shit here.

[Ethel mermania]

I don't mean to seem indelicate, but is it a cause of actual concern for non-Americans?

Most sites based in America are probably gonna suffer, so yes, it is.

You do know that american companies that stream services across the globall have points of presence in thoze countrys, I mean since you know so much about this and all, you must know that right??

[Telconi]

Refrigeration put a lot of icemen and milkman out of business, agreed.

But this a company that was ahead of time and was successful, only to be crushed because they aren't also an isp

Milk deliveries were successful... and they got crushed because they weren't Frigidaire...

[Ethel mermania]

Surely "different speed plans" and "equal access" are not similar concepts?

Which is the problem here - different speed is bad for services that use any real amount of bandwidth, and lethal for services that depend on it. A video streaming service that can only live-stream on 480p on exactly the same internet plan that you can access 1080p on how means that you don't have equal access to that service as you did - the throttling has changed the product you can get (high-definition on demand video to either standard def on demand or high definition downloads).

Uh, not to be an ass Grim, but different speed plans are really not a problem.

The problem is whether or not all data should be indiscriminate on the speed plan you purchase, not speed plans themselves.

Intrewtingly though the first real big break in net neutrality was exactly that. Netflix cut a deal with t-mobile that if you streamed at 480p, that stream would not affect your data cap, if you want 1080i. They charged it against the data cap. And of course things like amazon counted against the data cap as well.

[The Grim Reaper]

Most sites based in America are probably gonna suffer, so yes, it is.

You do know that american companies that stream services across the globall have points of presence in thoze countrys, I mean since you know so much about this and all, you must know that right??

There is an indirect effect that must be acknowledged; a lot of providers have a large amount of their market filled by American consumers. If the cost of servicing American consumers rises, making it unprofitable to service them, overhead fixed costs could make it unprofitable to serve /just/ the portion of the market filled by foreign consumers. That's unlikely for most providers, except for those that have large portions of their market as Americans, high fixed costs, low profit margins, AND high bandwidth services...so, maybe futuristic high-definition news video.

[Esternial]

Most sites based in America are probably gonna suffer, so yes, it is.

You do know that american companies that stream services across the globall have points of presence in thoze countrys, I mean since you know so much about this and all, you must know that right??

Ha-ha! Those "EU servers" were in the US all along!

Mine is an evil laugh!

[San Lumen]

1) There would. Billions rely on it for easy communication and connection to people across the world. Not to mention the major gap in the social media market.

2) Ever heard of Youtube Red? They're actively competing with cable and others.

3) Not the only one. There are many, many more.

1. That has nothing to do with Facebook. That has to do with the advent of social media. Again, back in the day we used to have MySpace. Facebook is just another social network. You're not losing anything important if you lose Facebook.

2. Yes, that doesn't have to do with YouTube proper though. In fact I don't even pay for YouTube Red.

3. Pretty sure Netflix and related services are the only ones in deep shit here.

And now the big media companies have finally gotten their way and will destroy Netflix, Youtube Red, Hulu and other things. Including a site and others like whose name I don't think I should say here.

[The Grim Reaper]

1. That has nothing to do with Facebook. That has to do with the advent of social media. Again, back in the day we used to have MySpace. Facebook is just another social network. You're not losing anything important if you lose Facebook.

2. Yes, that doesn't have to do with YouTube proper though. In fact I don't even pay for YouTube Red.

3. Pretty sure Netflix and related services are the only ones in deep shit here.

And now the big media companies have finally gotten their way and will destroy Netflix, Youtube Red, Hulu and other things. Including a site and others like whose name I don't think I should say here.

Youtube Red is owned by Google. Google isn't really the number one concern for up-and-coming infant services.

Hulu is 30% owned by Comcast and is 30% owned by Disney (60% when they finish acquisition of Fox's 30%). The remaining 10% is Time Warner.

Netflix already pays to avoid throttling.

[Luminesa]

1. That has nothing to do with Facebook. That has to do with the advent of social media. Again, back in the day we used to have MySpace. Facebook is just another social network. You're not losing anything important if you lose Facebook.

2. Yes, that doesn't have to do with YouTube proper though. In fact I don't even pay for YouTube Red.

3. Pretty sure Netflix and related services are the only ones in deep shit here.

And now the big media companies have finally gotten their way and will destroy Netflix, Youtube Red, Hulu and other things. Including a site and others like whose name I don't think I should say here.

Those poor multimillion-dollar corporations! How will they ever recover?

[Ethel mermania]

You do know that american companies that stream services across the globall have points of presence in thoze countrys, I mean since you know so much about this and all, you must know that right??

There is an indirect effect that must be acknowledged; a lot of providers have a large amount of their market filled by American consumers. If the cost of servicing American consumers rises, making it unprofitable to service them, overhead fixed costs could make it unprofitable to serve /just/ the portion of the market filled by foreign consumers. That's unlikely for most providers, except for those that have large portions of their market as Americans, high fixed costs, low profit margins, AND high bandwidth services...so, maybe futuristic high-definition news video.

For standard shopping sites now, it's not going to be a problem.
Once you go to video all bets are off 480i I can do in a meg. 4k video is a hog, about a 20mbs. I would be surprised if you where you are we could do 2 way 4k session without loss now even if we both had 100 meg pipes to our isp.

[San Lumen]

And now the big media companies have finally gotten their way and will destroy Netflix, Youtube Red, Hulu and other things. Including a site and others like whose name I don't think I should say here.

Youtube Red is owned by Google. Google isn't really the number one concern for up-and-coming infant services.

Hulu is 30% owned by Comcast and is 30% owned by Disney (60% when they finish acquisition of Fox's 30%). The remaining 10% is Time Warner.

Netflix already pays to avoid throttling.

throttling? But can't comcast and disney now charge more for hulu?

[New haven america]

And now the big media companies have finally gotten their way and will destroy Netflix, Youtube Red, Hulu and other things. Including a site and others like whose name I don't think I should say here.

Those poor multimillion-dollar corporations! How will they ever recover?

Probably by getting eaten up by multibillion-dollar conglomerates or refusing to service the US.

[New haven america]

Most sites based in America are probably gonna suffer, so yes, it is.

You do know that american companies that stream services across the globall have points of presence in thoze countrys, I mean since you know so much about this and all, you must know that right??

You say your smart, so figure it out yourself.

You do know that American companies also have their main servers and HQ's within the US, right? Hence they'd be subject to practices in the US (In Netflix's case, ISP's throttling them in order to press their own streaming services), which harms their sales in their main consumer base, which will also harm their international capabilities. It can make it unprofitable to service the US, which will either: Cause the company to die, force them to move their business outside the US and maybe even stop servicing the country altogether, or limit their capabilities to service international clients.

[Grand Britannia]

1. That has nothing to do with Facebook. That has to do with the advent of social media. Again, back in the day we used to have MySpace. Facebook is just another social network. You're not losing anything important if you lose Facebook.

2. Yes, that doesn't have to do with YouTube proper though. In fact I don't even pay for YouTube Red.

3. Pretty sure Netflix and related services are the only ones in deep shit here.

And now the big media companies have finally gotten their way and will destroy Netflix, Youtube Red, Hulu and other things. Including a site and others like whose name I don't think I should say here.

"Youtube red"

Youtube red is already bad enough by itself that paying for it is more of a charity to Youtube content creators.

[South Zimenma]

Three points here:

[1]America is a corporatocracy & kleptocracy. Democrats & Republicans may diverge on some issues, but they ultimately serve the same boss, Big Business, & consequently, laws they pass will always benefit the rich & will never be done in the interests of the middle class or the poverty-stricken.
[2]The Federal Communications Commission's idea of enforcement involves giving massive corporations a slap on the wrist. The cost of this slap on the wrist, assuming it is given in the first place (which is rare), is miniscule compared to how much $$ the corporation being fined actually has, & is always passed by said corporation onto its customers. In other words, when the FCC does something to "enforce" the rules, WE ARE THE ONES THAT PAY THE FINES. Given that the FCC generally does nothing, & actually ends up fining the American people instead of Big Business, it's a joke to imply that net neutrality exists, at least in this country, or that it even protects us. The rules were nothing but words on paper, nothing more than lip service. That is unfortunate, but that's the reality we need to face.
[3]When anyone insists on repeatedly electing politicians from the two parties that have consistently demonstrated that they do not care about the American people & are only interested in lining their pockets...well, what did you expect?? If you want things like healthcare, education, security, good relations with the international community, democracy, etc., stop electing the Democrats & Republicans.

A quote from Married...with Children comes to mind, courtesy of Marcy: "[If] a man gives a gun to a chimp, and the chimp shoots someone, you don't blame the chimp."

[The Grim Reaper]

Youtube Red is owned by Google. Google isn't really the number one concern for up-and-coming infant services.

Hulu is 30% owned by Comcast and is 30% owned by Disney (60% when they finish acquisition of Fox's 30%). The remaining 10% is Time Warner.

Netflix already pays to avoid throttling.

throttling? But can't comcast and disney now charge more for hulu?

They /own/ Hulu. Hulu is the service they want to protect from competition.

They can charge exactly as much as they used to for Hulu; the only thing net neutrality repeal does is stop similar infant services from competing (by raising the costs for them to provide service to consumers, either at the consumer end or as a cost for provision as Netflix does, paying the ISP directly in a corporate-2-corporate transaction, which is the more likely modus operandi in the USA with an entrenched media environment). That competition would have otherwise forced them to charge /less/ than they already do.

Package sales are common in Asia, where the media environment as a whole is in its infancy - India, the Phillipines are both well-known for this.

[Saiwania]

It could get really really bad unless the US congress and Trump administration is voted out to such an extent that this change is "cancelled." But the Democrats which are elected, can't be Corporatists.

If anything gets legislators in action, it is big money lobbying. Some mega wealthy companies benefit from Net Neutrality, why haven't they done more to flip senators' and representatives' to their side via buying them off just as aggressively as telecoms?

[Ethel mermania]

Youtube Red is owned by Google. Google isn't really the number one concern for up-and-coming infant services.

Hulu is 30% owned by Comcast and is 30% owned by Disney (60% when they finish acquisition of Fox's 30%). The remaining 10% is Time Warner.

Netflix already pays to avoid throttling.

throttling? But can't comcast and disney now charge more for hulu?

Rumor is disney is going to buy out comcast's share, and I think it will be more about content availability. All that said the short answer to your question is yes.

[Ethel mermania]

You do know that american companies that stream services across the globall have points of presence in thoze countrys, I mean since you know so much about this and all, you must know that right??

You say your smart, so figure it out yourself.

You do know that American companies also have their main servers and HQ's within the US, right? Hence they'd be subject to practices in the US (In Netflix's case, ISP's throttling them in order to press their own streaming services), which harms their sales in their main consumer base, which will also harm their international capabilities. It can make it unprofitable to service the US, which will either: Cause the company to die, force them to move their business outside the US and maybe even stop servicing the country altogether, or limit their capabilities to service international clients.

Nice cut and paste but that is wrong too.
The content is already downloaded to those foreign servers. A french customer of netflix steams from europe. When new content is uploaded. The file uploads across the network between the servers are not time sensitive so someone else's prioritization isn't going to effect that.

[Hakons]

According to the scaremongers, the internet is being shut down, free speech has been repealed, and it will now cost $1.99/Google search. Pre-2015 America must have been a nightmare.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

According to the scaremongers, the internet is being shut down, free speech has been repealed, and it will now cost $1.99/Google search. Pre-2015 America must have been a nightmare.

It really was, just look at this!

[Saiwania]

According to the scaremongers, the internet is being shut down, free speech has been repealed, and it will now cost $1.99/Google search. Pre-2015 America must have been a nightmare.

The US had Net Neutrality under title 1 before 2015. Now is the first experiment for the US not actually having Net Neutrality at all. Most Americans only have 1 or 2 choices for broadband providers (me included), will those companies (some of the most hated in America) be up to all sorts of shenanigans now? I guess we'll find out.

[New haven america]

You say your smart, so figure it out yourself.

You do know that American companies also have their main servers and HQ's within the US, right? Hence they'd be subject to practices in the US (In Netflix's case, ISP's throttling them in order to press their own streaming services), which harms their sales in their main consumer base, which will also harm their international capabilities. It can make it unprofitable to service the US, which will either: Cause the company to die, force them to move their business outside the US and maybe even stop servicing the country altogether, or limit their capabilities to service international clients.

1.Nice cut and paste but that is wrong too.
2.The content is already downloaded to those foreign servers. A french customer of netflix steams from europe. When new content is uploaded. The file uploads across the network between the servers are not time sensitive so someone else's prioritization isn't going to effect that.

1. Unlike some people... I'm actually more than capable at doing my own research. Your attempts at snark aren't gonna work on me.
2. But the company's losing it's main consumer base, which hurts that company economically, and hurts it's ability to actually service foreign countries. Come on, keep up, it's not that difficult.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You do know that american companies that stream services across the globall have points of presence in thoze countrys, I mean since you know so much about this and all, you must know that right??

You say your smart, so figure it out yourself.

You do know that American companies also have their main servers and HQ's within the US, right? Hence they'd be subject to practices in the US (In Netflix's case, ISP's throttling them in order to press their own streaming services), which harms their sales in their main consumer base, which will also harm their international capabilities. It can make it unprofitable to service the US, which will either: Cause the company to die, force them to move their business outside the US and maybe even stop servicing the country altogether, or limit their capabilities to service international clients.

You're putting a dystopian scenario where there is none to be quite frank.