FCC to repeal Net Neutrality Bill

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yeah, he's right, this has nothing to do with Nationstates.

Nationstates offers no direct competition to any of the big American telecom services. So Nationstates is going to function as normal.

Unless they can find a way to milk money from people just because they can.

You're not thinking extreme enough Soldi, if big businesses can find a way to make money, they'll fucking do it. So sure, NS will porbably be safe for now, but 2-3 years from now, are you so sure?

Actually, yes.

AT&T ain't going for your website. They're going for the big services that hog bandwidth. Until Nationstates becomes as big as Netflix, Max and the rest of you can be safe.

Can you say Nationstates will get global traffic as much as Netflix does in a single day? Or just American traffic as much as Amazon does in a day, for that matter?

[The Grim Reaper]

Yeah, he's right, this has nothing to do with Nationstates.

Nationstates offers no direct competition to any of the big American telecom services. So Nationstates is going to function as normal.

Unless they can find a way to milk money from people just because they can.

You're not thinking extreme enough Soldi, if big businesses can find a way to make money, they'll fucking do it. So sure, NS will porbably be safe for now, but 2-3 years from now, are you so sure?

NationStates is a textbased browser game & forum - the point being made is that if they're throttling NS to the point where it harms usability, you're probably no longer meaningfully connected to the internet. /exaggeration

[Lockdownn]

Until people start leaving the internet because of packages and throttling. I can tell you right now that I don't get shit for entertainment from this site.

Throttling where? To nationstates? You're not going to see anything throttled TO nationstates.

You might see package throttling TO other websites that directly compete with services provided by your ISP, but not TO nationstates.

Throttling and package application to websites with other uses other than NS. Would you log on to the internet for NS/ other unimportant websites or would you pay up to get more content with the same shit speed? The other alternative is to leave all together which is what I foresee happening.

[Ethel mermania]

1. Oh, namecalling, one of the first signs that someone's argument is faltering or is weak to begin with.
2. So you're just being willfully ignorant to what's happening around you then?

Correction* Found an ISP employee. No wonder.

No, but full disclosure I have in the past worked for ATT, and have sold product to, and done network design work for PTT's.

[Senkaku]

Yeah, he's right, this has nothing to do with Nationstates.

Nationstates offers no direct competition to any of the big American telecom services. So Nationstates is going to function as normal.

Unless they can find a way to milk money from people just because they can.

You're not thinking extreme enough Soldi, if big businesses can find a way to make money, they'll fucking do it. So sure, NS will porbably be safe for now, but 2-3 years from now, are you so sure?

Yes.

NS is not exactly a well-known, high-priority target, and there's no indication that in 2-3 years we'll suddenly be some huge well-known site.

Be more worried about your Netflix, frankly. They're in deep shit.

[The Grim Reaper]

Unless they can find a way to milk money from people just because they can.

You're not thinking extreme enough Soldi, if big businesses can find a way to make money, they'll fucking do it. So sure, NS will porbably be safe for now, but 2-3 years from now, are you so sure?

Yes.

NS is not exactly a well-known, high-priority target, and there's no indication that in 2-3 years we'll suddenly be some huge well-known site.

Be more worried about your Netflix, frankly. They're in deep shit.

The concern being raised is not with NHA and Lockdownn's fundamental point; it's that the point has no applicability to the case study of NS.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Unless they can find a way to milk money from people just because they can.

You're not thinking extreme enough Soldi, if big businesses can find a way to make money, they'll fucking do it. So sure, NS will porbably be safe for now, but 2-3 years from now, are you so sure?

Yes.

NS is not exactly a well-known, high-priority target, and there's no indication that in 2-3 years we'll suddenly be some huge well-known site.

Be more worried about your Netflix, frankly. They're in deep shit.

Yeah, it's a shame really. They are a great company that provides a great service. But ironically the free market will doom them

[Lockdownn]

Correction* Found an ISP employee. No wonder.

No, but full disclosure I have in the past worked for ATT, and have sold product to, and done network design work for PTT's.

former ISP employee*

[Senkaku]

Yes.

NS is not exactly a well-known, high-priority target, and there's no indication that in 2-3 years we'll suddenly be some huge well-known site.

Be more worried about your Netflix, frankly. They're in deep shit.

The concern being raised is not with NHA and Lockdownn's fundamental point; it's that the point has no applicability to the case study of NS.

A fair response. Who knows what they'll do with sites like Reddit, for example?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Throttling where? To nationstates? You're not going to see anything throttled TO nationstates.

You might see package throttling TO other websites that directly compete with services provided by your ISP, but not TO nationstates.

Throttling and package application to websites with other uses other than NS. Would you log on to the internet for NS/ other unimportant websites or would you pay up to get more content with the same shit speed? The other alternative is to leave all together which is what I foresee happening.

I already log most of my time on unimportant websites for entertainment.

If I didn't have those websites I'd probably have to focus on putting resumes on job boards and updating my dad and I's websites still, so I'd still be using the internet.

[Ethel mermania]

Correction* Found an ISP employee. No wonder.

Well yeah, but that kinda plays into the willful ignorance part. They don't see this as a bad thing and are willing to ignore every fact that proves them wrong.

If you had any facts I would be willing to listen. As much as I personally dislike comcast, they are not the gambino crime family. Tbh the Gambino's treat their customers better.

[Lockdownn]

Yes.

NS is not exactly a well-known, high-priority target, and there's no indication that in 2-3 years we'll suddenly be some huge well-known site.

Be more worried about your Netflix, frankly. They're in deep shit.

The concern being raised is not with NHA and Lockdownn's fundamental point; it's that the point has no applicability to the case study of NS.

Would lack of internet users because of package application, throttling and blocking of sites across the internet not cause NS harm? assuming only a small percentage lives the majority of their internet lives on NS

[Symir]

I don't mean to seem indelicate, but is it a cause of actual concern for non-Americans?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes.

NS is not exactly a well-known, high-priority target, and there's no indication that in 2-3 years we'll suddenly be some huge well-known site.

Be more worried about your Netflix, frankly. They're in deep shit.

Yeah, it's a shame really. They are a great company that provides a great service. But ironically the free market will doom them

They're really not.

[The Grim Reaper]

Yes.

NS is not exactly a well-known, high-priority target, and there's no indication that in 2-3 years we'll suddenly be some huge well-known site.

Be more worried about your Netflix, frankly. They're in deep shit.

Yeah, it's a shame really. They are a great company that provides a great service. But ironically the free market will doom them

Nothing ironic about the free market killing companies; that's how it works. That's the entire point of competition. As a society, y'all need to stop thanking the free market for the good stuff and ignoring the bad stuff that is necessary for it to function.

I exclude myself from "y'all" because I'm a commie :>

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The concern being raised is not with NHA and Lockdownn's fundamental point; it's that the point has no applicability to the case study of NS.

Would lack of internet users because of package application, throttling and blocking of sites across the internet not cause NS harm? assuming only a small percentage lives the majority of their internet lives on NS

No. If you are interested in NS you'll keep coming back.

[Lockdownn]

Throttling and package application to websites with other uses other than NS. Would you log on to the internet for NS/ other unimportant websites or would you pay up to get more content with the same shit speed? The other alternative is to leave all together which is what I foresee happening.

I already log most of my time on unimportant websites for entertainment.

If I didn't have those websites I'd probably have to focus on putting resumes on job boards and updating my dad and I's websites still, so I'd still be using the internet.

I can guarantee that your style of internet use isn't everybody else's.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yeah, it's a shame really. They are a great company that provides a great service. But ironically the free market will doom them

Nothing ironic about the free market killing companies; that's how it works. That's the entire point of competition. As a society, y'all need to stop thanking the free market for the good stuff and ignoring the bad stuff that is necessary for it to function.

I exclude myself from "y'all" because I'm a commie :>

Listen to me, you're in this boat with all of us on this crazy ride. I am not letting you out of it *drags back*

Now, because you're not in the US, well, that's a different issue.

[Ethel mermania]

Tbh, your bigger threat to websites is things that have happened in the past, verizon blocking Facetime, t-mobile blocking skype. You know, impeding bandwidth hogging competitors to your product and services.

As far as freedom of information and entertainment goes I would be more concerned with Disney buying the fox media properties, and what that means for pricing and content control. I predict lots less movies for netflix and amazon prime.

Better not lose my man in the high castle

I was thinking of dumping netflix and getting amazon prime. How do you like it?

[Lockdownn]

Would lack of internet users because of package application, throttling and blocking of sites across the internet not cause NS harm? assuming only a small percentage lives the majority of their internet lives on NS

No. If you are interested in NS you'll keep coming back.

Definitely won't be the only thing you'd want to do.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I already log most of my time on unimportant websites for entertainment.

If I didn't have those websites I'd probably have to focus on putting resumes on job boards and updating my dad and I's websites still, so I'd still be using the internet.

I can guarantee that your style of internet use isn't everybody else's.

I can guarantee yours isn't either.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No. If you are interested in NS you'll keep coming back.

Definitely won't be the only thing you'd want to do.

Definitely won't be the only thing available to do either.

[The Grim Reaper]

The concern being raised is not with NHA and Lockdownn's fundamental point; it's that the point has no applicability to the case study of NS.

Would lack of internet users because of package application, throttling and blocking of sites across the internet not cause NS harm? assuming only a small percentage lives the majority of their internet lives on NS

Throttling is not going to limit usage of a text-based game. I could put the forums on a (big) harddrive. Gameplayers literally already have a daily dump of nation and region information, regional flags and WFEs, and so forth.

Actually, it'd kill Gameplay probably, but I don't like Gameplay anyway so I don't care.

The only way this'd fuck up NS is if, instead of throttling, an ISP made the decision to block /every website on the internet/ except for the ones you specifically apply to. I doubt that's going to happen, because it would pretty much end American internet usage as a whole and would have fairly significant effects on more than just NS.

[Grand Britannia]

Net Neutrality is leaving the internet alone as ISPs telling service to pay to get access to a fast lane almost never happens. ISPs, however could set up different internet speed "lanes" for customers, but then that would mean that a competitor could offer services at a lower rate that may be faster

They already offer varying speeds.

These are billionaires that want to make more money by squeezing more money from you.

...it has been this way since forever...

I don't see how different speed plans are a problem, they let you access any part of the net equally.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Better not lose my man in the high castle

I was thinking of dumping netflix and getting amazon prime. How do you like it?

It has a bigger selection of movies. It's quite nice for looking for movies you might not be able to find in Netflix. But I am not sure if you'll find the same titles on Amazon Prime that you do on Netflix.

My dad has both services as a result.