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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:48 pm

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Postby Galloism » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:49 pm

Tevehas wrote:Private property? Mate, cities own the land the cables are run on. They own the poles, the land under them, and the airspace above them, the same spots where gas lines and underground telephone cables are laid. Not to say there aren't any on private property, but the municipality is a big player in if an ISP can afford to lay cable.

I'm not talking about the city property. I'm talking about the 100 miles across open country you have to drag cables to get to a backbone provider that your local ISP doesn't own.
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Postby Tekeristan » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:49 pm

Last time Congress voted:
Senate Vote for Net Neutrality
For Against
Republicans 0 46
Democrats 52 0
House Vote for Net Neutrality
For Against
Republicans 2 234
Democrats 177 6
Spoiler:
Republicans control all of Congress
the presidency's veto power

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:49 pm

Kramania wrote:People panic as internet rules go back to what they were two years ago.


Now they can fuck with even more of your money.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:50 pm

Kramania wrote:People panic as internet rules go back to what they were two years ago.


And?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:50 pm

Tekeristan wrote:Last time Congress voted:
Senate Vote for Net Neutrality
For Against
Republicans 0 46
Democrats 52 0
House Vote for Net Neutrality
For Against
Republicans 2 234
Democrats 177 6
Spoiler:
Republicans control all of Congress
the presidency's veto power


Really makes me wonder that if people care about Net Neutrality so much why they keep giving more power to the guys who are against it.
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Postby Anime North America » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:53 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Last time Congress voted:
Senate Vote for Net Neutrality
For Against
Republicans 0 46
Democrats 52 0
House Vote for Net Neutrality
For Against
Republicans 2 234
Democrats 177 6
Spoiler:
Republicans control all of Congress
the presidency's veto power


Really makes me wonder that if people care about Net Neutrality so much why they keep giving more power to the guys who are against it.

People vote against their interests because they don't identify with the opposing party. The democrats (save Bernie) are a bunch of spineless neolibs who don't even acknowledge the working class, so naturally people flocked to the folks who at least pretend to give a damn.
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Valrifell wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Last time Congress voted:
Senate Vote for Net Neutrality
For Against
Republicans 0 46
Democrats 52 0
House Vote for Net Neutrality
For Against
Republicans 2 234
Democrats 177 6
Spoiler:
Republicans control all of Congress
the presidency's veto power


Really makes me wonder that if people care about Net Neutrality so much why they keep giving more power to the guys who are against it.


It's almost like elections address more than one issue...
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Postby Kramania » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:54 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Kramania wrote:People panic as internet rules go back to what they were two years ago.


Now they can fuck with even more of your money.

Yeah, what will we ever do now without the government putting in safeguards to protect against nonexistent practices.
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Telconi wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Really makes me wonder that if people care about Net Neutrality so much why they keep giving more power to the guys who are against it.


It's almost like elections address more than one issue...


But people like to make a huge stink over Net Neutrality. You'd expect it to be a bigger thing than a blip on the radar whenever someone tries to repeal it.
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Kramania wrote:
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Now they can fuck with even more of your money.

Yeah, what will we ever do now without the government putting in safeguards to protect against nonexistent practices.

And why wouldn't they want to fuck more people out of there money?

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:56 pm

Kramania wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Now they can fuck with even more of your money.

Yeah, what will we ever do now without the government putting in safeguards to protect against nonexistent practices.


Things that never happened.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:58 pm

Anime North America wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Really makes me wonder that if people care about Net Neutrality so much why they keep giving more power to the guys who are against it.

People vote against their interests because they don't identify with the opposing party. The democrats (save Bernie) are a bunch of spineless neolibs who don't even acknowledge the working class, so naturally people flocked to the folks who at least pretend to give a damn.

Nah, it's just people get so focused on other policy's by the time the annual NN comes everybody all "oh shit what have I done!"
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Postby Anime North America » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:01 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Anime North America wrote:People vote against their interests because they don't identify with the opposing party. The democrats (save Bernie) are a bunch of spineless neolibs who don't even acknowledge the working class, so naturally people flocked to the folks who at least pretend to give a damn.

Nah, it's just people get so focused on other policy's by the time the annual NN comes everybody all "oh shit what have I done!"

I mean it's not like we have a choice here in the States. Despite what people say about "political polarization", the elections essentially boil down to a choice between "conservative neoliberalism" and "liberal neoliberalism".

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Postby Belle Ilse en Terre » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:03 pm

What if everyone who wanted net neutrality to stay made their own internet provider (I am aware that starting a company is not easy, but I doubt there is a lack of capital or technical skill or competent managers)? Then they would be the fairest and best internet provider, right?
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:03 pm

Anime North America wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Nah, it's just people get so focused on other policy's by the time the annual NN comes everybody all "oh shit what have I done!"

I mean it's not like we have a choice here in the States. Despite what people say about "political polarization", the elections essentially boil down to a choice between "conservative neoliberalism" and "liberal neoliberalism".

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True, but that's cause we stick with the 2 party policy.
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Kramania wrote:People panic as internet rules go back to what they were two years ago.


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Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Anime North America wrote:I mean it's not like we have a choice here in the States. Despite what people say about "political polarization", the elections essentially boil down to a choice between "conservative neoliberalism" and "liberal neoliberalism".

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True, but that's cause we stick with the 2 party policy.


Eh? Libertarians would eliminate NN under the myth of the free market.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:05 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:True, but that's cause we stick with the 2 party policy.


Eh? Libertarians would eliminate NN under the myth of the free market.

Huh? What's that got to do with our discussion?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:05 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:True, but that's cause we stick with the 2 party policy.


Eh? Libertarians would eliminate NN under the myth of the free market.


and Greens would ban the Internet as a public health concern.
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Kramania wrote:People panic as internet rules go back to what they were two years ago.


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thats precisely what will happen.

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Belle Ilse en Terre wrote:What if everyone who wanted net neutrality to stay made their own internet provider (I am aware that starting a company is not easy, but I doubt there is a lack of capital or technical skill or competent managers)? Then they would be the fairest and best internet provider, right?

I'd addressed a page or two back. Here, have a quote!
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Anime North America wrote:I mean it's not like we have a choice here in the States. Despite what people say about "political polarization", the elections essentially boil down to a choice between "conservative neoliberalism" and "liberal neoliberalism".

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True, but that's cause we stick with the 2 party policy.

It's moreso a problem with our government in general. Unlike countries with parliaments, the U.S. has an "all-or-nothing" (also phrased as "first-past-the-post") model, which means that third parties rarely if ever earn representation in the federal legislatures.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Dec 14, 2017 2:14 pm

Kramania wrote:People panic as internet rules go back to what they were two years ago.


Explain, with evidence, why this change is a good thing.
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