FCC to repeal Net Neutrality Bill

[Pax Nerdvana]

It's not like it would be any different. Most of the Americans on here at the very least wish they lived in Europe.

Speak for yourself, man. I love my country, even if I dislike its current government.

Yeah. I love this country. It's the only home I've ever known, I've never even left the continental US. I despise the current government, but I love this country. This country is made great by it's people, not the government.

[San Lumen]

Realistically, when would all this start to take effect, and what can I expect for apps like Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram, as well as sites like NSG? I keep hearing these scenarios that sound hellish, and I frankly don't know how valid it is (keep in mind I'm very pro net neutrality, but also wondering if there is maybe a little bit of hyperbole going on)

Basically, Net Neutrality prevented companies from denying you access to specific services in all but the most creative of ways, such as "throttling" them (slowing speeds down to a crawl). Without NN, they can do stuff like that whenever they want.
The loss of NN isn't the end of the world by any means, but it's a removal of rules that seems to benefit no one except for ISPs.

but thats ok in the name of freedom because the rights of corporations and rich matter more.

[Tevehas]

I find it funny that media went through a gigantic anti-corporate cyberpunk phase during the 80's, yet everyone seems to have forgotten about it today.

All the people who wrote those stories made money and suddenly realized rich people aren't evil.

[Rodrania]

It's hard to take the pro-Net Neutrality people seriously when they ratchet it up to 11 with the impending doom narrative. We seem to have an impending apocalypse of some sort every week lately. And yet, the world keeps turning.

I completely agree people are exaggerating unnecessarily and it's kinda funny to see people go around preaching about the end of the internet as we know it, but the situation is still pretty shit. Not an end of the internet scenario obviously, but still shit.

[Major-Tom]

Realistically, when would all this start to take effect, and what can I expect for apps like Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram, as well as sites like NSG? I keep hearing these scenarios that sound hellish, and I frankly don't know how valid it is (keep in mind I'm very pro net neutrality, but also wondering if there is maybe a little bit of hyperbole going on)

Basically, Net Neutrality prevented companies from denying you access to specific services in all but the most creative of ways, such as "throttling" them (slowing speeds down to a crawl). Without NN, they can do stuff like that whenever they want.
The loss of NN isn't the end of the world by any means, but it's a removal of rules that seems to benefit no one except for ISPs.

That's what I figured. I've just heard people saying stuff like "literally everything is gonna cost money," and I was skeptical of that. Regardless, still fucking sucky and Pai is a scumbag.

[Anime North America]

because the internet is supposed to be open and free to all not based on the what some rich Ceo of Comcast wants you to see.

The internet was built as an alternate communication system in the event of a nuclear attack and for universities to have time sharing on mainframe computers. Only when the movement by Al Gore to hand control of the internet over to telecoms companies in the late 80s achieved its goal did we get the internet today. It is nonsense for the government to tell a company how to operate the infrastructure that the company has to pay to both install and maintain.

Why are people such bootlickers for telecom companies? Seriously, what on earth do you possibly have to gain from the repeal of Net Neutrality?

[The Black Forrest]

They don't even own or manage the vast majority of the infrastructure to the Internet, just the bits that enter your house.

yeah and they can now restrict what they want you see. Just like what science fiction films and shows predicted.

Hmmmm. You wouldn't be suggesting something like say the comcast ceo was a hard core prolifer and decided he had the religious freedom to keep abortion information off "his" business traffic?

[Valrifell]

Realistically, when would all this start to take effect, and what can I expect for apps like Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram, as well as sites like NSG? I keep hearing these scenarios that sound hellish, and I frankly don't know how valid it is (keep in mind I'm very pro net neutrality, but also wondering if there is maybe a little bit of hyperbole going on)

Some websites will be held for a type of ransom (like they did to Netflix in 2013) where the sites speeds will abruptly get slow for consumers until someone pays to magically fix the problem. They can also slow down the speed to things that compete with their other ventures for giggles, and create new "fast lanes" which are probably going to be the current standard, since I postulate the Internet is going to get somewhat slower.

[Tevehas]

but thats ok in the name of freedom because the rights of corporations and rich matter more.

Except NN applied to all ISP's, including small local ISPs who's network infrastructure buckles under the load of services like Netflix and Facebook.

[Galloism]

yeah and they can now restrict what they want you see. Just like what science fiction films and shows predicted.

Hmmmm. You wouldn't be suggesting something like say the comcast ceo was a hard core prolifer and decided he had the religious freedom to keep abortion information off "his" business traffic?

Yes?

I mean, stuff like that is not without precedent.

[San Lumen]

yeah and they can now restrict what they want you see. Just like what science fiction films and shows predicted.

Hmmmm. You wouldn't be suggesting something like say the comcast ceo was a hard core prolifer and decided he had the religious freedom to keep abortion information off "his" business traffic?

and whats to stop them from doing that now? Nothing.

[Valrifell]

Comcrap gets fees. They want to charge you for using it now.

Heavend forbid they charge for their services.

They already do, tho.

A lot, too, for some of the slowest Internet in the world. Yay?

[Major-Tom]

Realistically, when would all this start to take effect, and what can I expect for apps like Twitter, Snapchat, Instagram, as well as sites like NSG? I keep hearing these scenarios that sound hellish, and I frankly don't know how valid it is (keep in mind I'm very pro net neutrality, but also wondering if there is maybe a little bit of hyperbole going on)

Some websites will be held for a type of ransom (like they did to Netflix in 2013) where the sites speeds will abruptly get slow for consumers until someone pays to magically fix the problem. They can also slow down the speed to things that compete with their other ventures for giggles, and create new "fast lanes" which are probably going to be the current standard, since I postulate the Internet is going to get somewhat slower.

Sounds about right. Shitty as hell, but not doomsday.

[Luna Amore]

They don't even own or manage the vast majority of the infrastructure to the Internet, just the bits that enter your house.

yeah and they can now restrict what they want you see. Just like what science fiction films and shows predicted.

Then new ISPs will pop up.

[Pax Nerdvana]

yeah and they can now restrict what they want you see. Just like what science fiction films and shows predicted.

Hmmmm. You wouldn't be suggesting something like say the comcast ceo was a hard core prolifer and decided he had the religious freedom to keep abortion information off "his" business traffic?

That could happen. Unlikely, but it could.

[Anime North America]

but thats ok in the name of freedom because the rights of corporations and rich matter more.

Except NN applied to all ISP's, including small local ISPs who's network infrastructure buckles under the load of services like Netflix and Facebook.

The internet runs fine as-is.

[Galloism]

yeah and they can now restrict what they want you see. Just like what science fiction films and shows predicted.

Then new ISPs will pop up.

Doubtful. The investment into starting a new ISP is immense, and real profits typically take decades to materialize.

[The Black Forrest]

Comcrap gets fees. They want to charge you for using it now.

Heavend forbid they charge for their services.

Heaven forbid you can give a straight answer.

What's the monthly bill for?

Why not raise the fees then tamp down on net speeds and probably controlled access to information?

[Tevehas]

Why are people such bootlickers for telecom companies? Seriously, what on earth do you possibly have to gain from the repeal of Net Neutrality?

Because repealing this legislation is the first step to a dialogue about how municipalities essentially enforce the internet monopoly through price-fixing of utility line space and overreaching regulation.

[The Black Forrest]

yeah and they can now restrict what they want you see. Just like what science fiction films and shows predicted.

Then new ISPs will pop up.

Nothing serious enough to support the myth of the free market.

Access to delivery lines is an issue. Why would you as a city/town want data lines for each business?

[Tevehas]

The internet runs fine as-is.

And that answer is now right, when it was wrong in 2014 when used against NN implementation?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Why are people such bootlickers for telecom companies? Seriously, what on earth do you possibly have to gain from the repeal of Net Neutrality?

Because repealing this legislation is the first step to a dialogue about how municipalities essentially enforce the internet monopoly through price-fixing of utility line space and overreaching regulation.

Which will still be there after NN is gone.
You think that more cables will just magically appear out of nowhere without NN? That they're different from every other billion+ company in that they actually had to care about most of the restrictions we put on them?

[Navulva]

because the internet is supposed to be open and free to all not based on the what some rich Ceo of Comcast wants you to see.

This product offered by Comcast is supposed to be open and free to everyone, not sold by Comcast...

A company has limited say for what you do with a product you bought from them.

Also, the Internet is not Comcast's property.

[Anime North America]

The internet runs fine as-is.

And that answer is now right, when it was wrong in 2014 when used against NN implementation?

Fair point.

Why are people such bootlickers for telecom companies? Seriously, what on earth do you possibly have to gain from the repeal of Net Neutrality?

Because repealing this legislation is the first step to a dialogue about how municipalities essentially enforce the internet monopoly through price-fixing of utility line space and overreaching regulation.

The only thing "enforcing" an internet (((monopoly))) in areas is the large amount of capital necessary to lay the infrastructure.

I'm sorry, but do you live in some fantasy land where a person can make millions appear out of thin air, just by pulling on their bootstraps hard enough?

[Tevehas]

You think that more cables will just magically appear out of nowhere without NN? That they're different from every other billion+ company in that they actually had to care about most of the restrictions we put on them?

More will appear when we make it easier for people to start their own providing services. Regulation is only affordable by bigger companies. Entrepreneurs are worried about the bottom line, and no competition is indication that the government is affecting that bottom line.