Roy Moore / Alabama Special Senate Election Megathread

[Senkaku]

The media does not see them as subhuman. That's what they tell themselves to justify decisions that they're uncomfortable with. And that's what you, as a Strange Republican tell them to believe about themselves so long as your policies get enacted.

The only thing the media has pointed out is that, if so called conservative (radical) priorities need to be voted on, it's okay for Bush Republicans to carry water for Roy Moore and then to pretend to be morally outraged.

I really doubt that.

Some people also doubt the Earth is round. Doubt away, it doesn't make you right.

And the feeling seems to be pretty mutual. The joys of total tribalism.

The issue is not the nebulously-defined "media" (read: any news organization a given person or poster doesn't like) seeing people as subhuman, the issue is political leaders inciting their base against journalists to try and discredit the stories those journalists are publishing because they damage them.

[Collatis]

Today is the date of the United States Senate special election in Alabama. The vacancy was created when then-Senator Jeff Sessions was nominated by President Donald Trump and confirmed as U.S. Attorney General.

The race became surprisingly competitive for a ruby-red state when disgraced Alabama Governor Robert J. Bentley's appointee to the seat, Luther Strange, was defeated in the Republican primary by former Alabama Chief Justice of the Supreme Court Roy Moore. Moore was a controversial candidate from the start, having been removed from office twice, first for refusing a federal court's order to remove a monument of the Ten Commandments from the Alabama Judicial Building and, more recently, for directing judges to continue to enforce Alabama's same-sex marriage ban even after it had been declared unconstitutional. Moore's history of questionable comments, such as the claim that 9/11 was God's punishment for America, have also caused controversy.

The Democrats landed a surprisingly strong candidate in Doug Jones, a former U.S. Attorney known for prosecuting the Klansmen responsible for the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing, in which four African-American girls were killed. If Jones is going to win, he'll need not only a large African-American turnout, but he will need to convince middle class, suburban white Republicans to abandon their party's candidate in a state that Trump won in a landslide.

The race, which was always vaguely competitive, became a real race after The Washington Post reported on several allegations that Roy Moore had dated and sexually assaulted teenage girls when he was in his 30s. These allegations led many national Republican leaders to refuse their support and call for Moore to withdraw. Some Republicans suggested a write-in campaign by Strange or Sessions, but no such campaign has materialized. Some Republicans, such as Jeff Flake, have endorsed Jones. Others, like President Donald Trump, have doubled-down on their support for Moore and questioned the veracity of the allegations. Others still, such as Alabama Senator Richard Shelby, have written-in another Republican. Polling is all over the place, but the overall average shows a slight Moore lead. The Cook Political Report, Sabato's Crystal Ball, and Rothenberg Political Report all rate the race as a tossup.

The election takes place today, December 12. So NSG, who do you think is going to win? By how much? Who do you support? Do you think Moore could be expelled if he manages to win?

[Collatis]

Alabama special Senate election thread

[Senkaku]

I'm gonna say Moore by 5-10%, I support Jones, and the GOP doesn't have the spine to expel Moore if he wins. They'll get their vote and they'll be happy about it.

[The Union of Crown Kingdoms]

The allegations against Moore have been debunked, and since Jones put out a fairly racist campaign ad, his black turnout (which he definitely needs to win) very well might abandon him in droves. Moore has it in the bag. 10 points + victory.

[Telconi]

Moore, 5-10.

[Telconi]

The allegations against Moore have been debunked, and since Jones put out a fairly racist campaign ad, his black turnout (which he definitely needs to win) very well might abandon him in droves. Moore has it in the bag. 10 points + victory.

Sauce?

[The Union of Crown Kingdoms]

The allegations against Moore have been debunked, and since Jones put out a fairly racist campaign ad, his black turnout (which he definitely needs to win) very well might abandon him in droves. Moore has it in the bag. 10 points + victory.

Sauce?

https://imgur.com/DMd1iOw

It's obvious she added everything past "Roy" on the signature...and she did a piss poor job at it, using a different color pen...

http://archive.is/alZmy

She also admitted to adding part of the signature. Not all, but she probably did this because she knew that people figured out she is bulshitting.

I'll take the accusation against Moore seriously once the accuser turns over her yearbook for a third party independent investigation. New York State Attorney Gloria Allred refuses to, which is another red flag, as she and her client probably have something major to hide.

That fake yearbook is about all the "evidence" she has against Moore. So, I (and every levelheaded person should) assume Roy Moore to be innocent.

[Collatis]

Don’t Blame Black Voters If Roy Moore Wins. Blame Alabama’s Secretary of State.

In recent years, Alabama Republicans have taken steps to protect their grip on power by making it harder for African Americans and Latinos to vote. They passed a law requiring voters to show a government-issued photo ID, a measure that has been found to disproportionately disenfranchise African Americans and Latinos, who are more likely to lack such an ID and face impediments to getting one. The ID law also applied to absentee voting, which is used by many elderly black voters in rural counties, who now must mail in copies of their photo IDs with their ballots. They reformed campaign finance laws to weaken the political organizations that mobilize African American voters. They closed 31 DMV offices across the state, disproportionately affecting rural majority-black counties. In every county in which African Americans made up more than 75 percent of registered voters, the local DMV was slated for closure. Since the US Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013, allowing states like Alabama to change voting procedures without federal approval, Alabama has closed about 200 voting precincts, creating longer lines and sowing confusion among voters.

[Arlenton]

I really doubt that.

Some people also doubt the Earth is round. Doubt away, it doesn't make you right.

And the feeling seems to be pretty mutual. The joys of total tribalism.

The issue is not the nebulously-defined "media" (read: any news organization a given person or poster doesn't like) seeing people as subhuman, the issue is political leaders inciting their base against journalists to try and discredit the stories those journalists are publishing because they damage them.

It’s almost as if these people have a reason to hate these media outlets...

[Volkmacht]

if Roy Moore actually wins in Alabama, I will lose more faith in the American political system than I did when Donald Trump won the presidency.

[Senkaku]

Some people also doubt the Earth is round. Doubt away, it doesn't make you right.

The issue is not the nebulously-defined "media" (read: any news organization a given person or poster doesn't like) seeing people as subhuman, the issue is political leaders inciting their base against journalists to try and discredit the stories those journalists are publishing because they damage them.

It’s almost as if these people have a reason to hate these media outlets...

Yeah- the politicians they like tell them to, for their own selfish reasons, and drum up resentment towards journalists whenever a story breaks that threatens their shady dealings.

This is like saying "well she must've had a good reason to murder him, and I personally never liked him much, so no need to investigate further, case closed."

[The Union of Crown Kingdoms]

Don’t Blame Black Voters If Roy Moore Wins. Blame Alabama’s Secretary of State.

In recent years, Alabama Republicans have taken steps to protect their grip on power by making it harder for African Americans and Latinos to vote. They passed a law requiring voters to show a government-issued photo ID, a measure that has been found to disproportionately disenfranchise African Americans and Latinos, who are more likely to lack such an ID and face impediments to getting one. The ID law also applied to absentee voting, which is used by many elderly black voters in rural counties, who now must mail in copies of their photo IDs with their ballots. They reformed campaign finance laws to weaken the political organizations that mobilize African American voters. They closed 31 DMV offices across the state, disproportionately affecting rural majority-black counties. In every county in which African Americans made up more than 75 percent of registered voters, the local DMV was slated for closure. Since the US Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013, allowing states like Alabama to change voting procedures without federal approval, Alabama has closed about 200 voting precincts, creating longer lines and sowing confusion among voters.

I call bullshit. The offices were likely closed due to different reasons, like perhaps a lack of funding to the Alabama state DMV. (I wouldn't be surprised, Republicans are marvelous at managing finances on a state level as we all know.../s) The US isn't as racist as most liberals make it seem to be.

Aswell, who cares? Quoting the Alabama elections site,

"All Alabama voters must present photo identification at the polling booth in order to vote in Alabama, such as a valid:

-Alabama driver's license or non-driver ID card.
-Alabama Photo Voter ID.
-A state issued ID (can be from any state)
-U.S. passport.
-Student/employee ID card issued by a public or private university.
-Government ID card.
-U.S. military ID card.
-Tribal ID card."

You can literally vote with an Alabama ID card, a specifically issued photo voter ID, a US passport, even a university identification card. The fact a few DMV offices closing doesn't mean black voters can't go and get a US Passport, or hell even the official Photo Voter ID cards.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'll say Moore by 2-5, I'm very confident he'll win but I don't think the margin will be massive.

[Arlenton]

if Roy Moore actually wins in Alabama, I will lose more faith in the American political system than I did when Donald Trump won the presidency.

We will certainly miss your faith in us. Without it I don’t know how we’ll be able to continue functioning.

[Arlenton]

I'll say Moore by 2-5, I'm very confident he'll win but I don't think the margin will be massive.

This is pretty much my guess. But a very narrow Jones win or ~10 point Moore win wouldn’t surprise me too much.

[Arlenton]

Don’t Blame Black Voters If Roy Moore Wins. Blame Alabama’s Secretary of State.

In recent years, Alabama Republicans have taken steps to protect their grip on power by making it harder for African Americans and Latinos to vote. They passed a law requiring voters to show a government-issued photo ID, a measure that has been found to disproportionately disenfranchise African Americans and Latinos, who are more likely to lack such an ID and face impediments to getting one. The ID law also applied to absentee voting, which is used by many elderly black voters in rural counties, who now must mail in copies of their photo IDs with their ballots. They reformed campaign finance laws to weaken the political organizations that mobilize African American voters. They closed 31 DMV offices across the state, disproportionately affecting rural majority-black counties. In every county in which African Americans made up more than 75 percent of registered voters, the local DMV was slated for closure. Since the US Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act in 2013, allowing states like Alabama to change voting procedures without federal approval, Alabama has closed about 200 voting precincts, creating longer lines and sowing confusion among voters.

Jeb! Crow laws. What else to spice up a nasty election a little bit more?

[The Union of Crown Kingdoms]

I'll say Moore by 2-5, I'm very confident he'll win but I don't think the margin will be massive.

Personally, I believe it's going to be over 10 points for Moore, Doug Jones screwed up big time with that racist ad he put out.

Aswell, Alabama, being a sane state put in voter ID laws so the democrats can't play their usual tricks of having illegals and dead people vote for them, and aswell out-of-state residents, like they did to the state of New Hampshire in 2016, (Almost 5,000 NH voters were out-of-state who were required to get a New Hampshire driver's license or register a vehicle in the state of New Hampshire within a few months of the election, and upwards of 4,500 did not, quite possibly stealing a US senate seat (Democrat defeated incumbent Republican by less than a thousand votes, and Hillary beat Trump by less than 3,000 votes))

[Arlenton]

I'll say Moore by 2-5, I'm very confident he'll win but I don't think the margin will be massive.

Personally, I believe it's going to be over 10 points for Moore, Doug Jones screwed up big time with that racist ad he put out.

Aswell, Alabama, being a sane state put in voter ID laws so the democrats can't play their usual tricks of having illegals and dead people vote for them, and aswell out-of-state residents, like they did to the state of New Hampshire in 2016, (Almost 5,000 NH voters were out-of-state who were required to get a New Hampshire driver's license or register a vehicle in the state of New Hampshire within a few months of the election, and upwards of 4,500 did not, quite possibly stealing a US senate seat (Democrat defeated incumbent Republican by less than a thousand votes, and Hillary beat Trump by less than 3,000 votes))

You have a sourcearoonie on those claims?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'll say Moore by 2-5, I'm very confident he'll win but I don't think the margin will be massive.

Personally, I believe it's going to be over 10 points for Moore, Doug Jones screwed up big time with that racist ad he put out.

Aswell, Alabama, being a sane state put in voter ID laws so the democrats can't play their usual tricks of having illegals and dead people vote for them, and aswell out-of-state residents, like they did to the state of New Hampshire in 2016, (Almost 5,000 NH voters were out-of-state who were required to get a New Hampshire driver's license or register a vehicle in the state of New Hampshire within a few months of the election, and upwards of 4,500 did not, quite possibly stealing a US senate seat (Democrat defeated incumbent Republican by less than a thousand votes, and Hillary beat Trump by less than 3,000 votes))

Racist ad?

[The Union of Crown Kingdoms]

Personally, I believe it's going to be over 10 points for Moore, Doug Jones screwed up big time with that racist ad he put out.

Aswell, Alabama, being a sane state put in voter ID laws so the democrats can't play their usual tricks of having illegals and dead people vote for them, and aswell out-of-state residents, like they did to the state of New Hampshire in 2016, (Almost 5,000 NH voters were out-of-state who were required to get a New Hampshire driver's license or register a vehicle in the state of New Hampshire within a few months of the election, and upwards of 4,500 did not, quite possibly stealing a US senate seat (Democrat defeated incumbent Republican by less than a thousand votes, and Hillary beat Trump by less than 3,000 votes))

You have a sourcearoonie on those claims?

Here you go!

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... -presiden/

EDIT: And I got my numbers wrong, It's actually 6500 who registered using the out-of-state license loophole.

[SuperFruitland]

I'll say Moore by 2-5, I'm very confident he'll win but I don't think the margin will be massive.

Personally, I believe it's going to be over 10 points for Moore, Doug Jones screwed up big time with that racist ad he put out.

Aswell, Alabama, being a sane state put in voter ID laws so the democrats can't play their usual tricks of having illegals and dead people vote for them, and aswell out-of-state residents, like they did to the state of New Hampshire in 2016, (Almost 5,000 NH voters were out-of-state who were required to get a New Hampshire driver's license or register a vehicle in the state of New Hampshire within a few months of the election, and upwards of 4,500 did not, quite possibly stealing a US senate seat (Democrat defeated incumbent Republican by less than a thousand votes, and Hillary beat Trump by less than 3,000 votes))

Woah woah woah there bucko hold on a second can we get a sauce for any of this?

ed; nvm looks like i'm late to the party

[The Union of Crown Kingdoms]

Personally, I believe it's going to be over 10 points for Moore, Doug Jones screwed up big time with that racist ad he put out.

Aswell, Alabama, being a sane state put in voter ID laws so the democrats can't play their usual tricks of having illegals and dead people vote for them, and aswell out-of-state residents, like they did to the state of New Hampshire in 2016, (Almost 5,000 NH voters were out-of-state who were required to get a New Hampshire driver's license or register a vehicle in the state of New Hampshire within a few months of the election, and upwards of 4,500 did not, quite possibly stealing a US senate seat (Democrat defeated incumbent Republican by less than a thousand votes, and Hillary beat Trump by less than 3,000 votes))

Racist ad?

Yes, here's a link:

https://www.theroot.com/a-racist-flyer- ... 1821065764

[Arlenton]

You have a sourcearoonie on those claims?

Here you go!

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... -presiden/

EDIT: And I got my numbers wrong, It's actually 6500 who registered using the out-of-state license loophole.

Interesting. More Jeb! crow laws are needed.

[Arlenton]

Personally, I believe it's going to be over 10 points for Moore, Doug Jones screwed up big time with that racist ad he put out.

Aswell, Alabama, being a sane state put in voter ID laws so the democrats can't play their usual tricks of having illegals and dead people vote for them, and aswell out-of-state residents, like they did to the state of New Hampshire in 2016, (Almost 5,000 NH voters were out-of-state who were required to get a New Hampshire driver's license or register a vehicle in the state of New Hampshire within a few months of the election, and upwards of 4,500 did not, quite possibly stealing a US senate seat (Democrat defeated incumbent Republican by less than a thousand votes, and Hillary beat Trump by less than 3,000 votes))

Woah woah woah there bucko hold on a second can we get a sauce for any of this?

ed; nvm looks like i'm late to the party

Sauce later, ID laws now.