That may actually hurt you significantly.
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by Luminesa » Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:54 pm
by Ifreann » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:02 pm
by Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:04 pm
Ifreann wrote:Kramania wrote:Not normally a word I use, but it's the best one I can find to describe kidnapping and torturing a mentally disabled person.
Which is useless. Thought terminating. We designate people who have committed serious crimes as evil and then we, metaphorically and sometimes literally, throw them in a hole and never think of them again. Suppose we treated healthcare this way. Someone has a very serious sickness and we call it evil for them to be so sick and lock them in an isolation ward and throw away the key. We won't get a cure that way. And we won't rehabilitate people if we write them off as evil and put them in prison for life.
by Salus Maior » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:05 pm
Ifreann wrote:Kramania wrote:Not normally a word I use, but it's the best one I can find to describe kidnapping and torturing a mentally disabled person.
Which is useless. Thought terminating. We designate people who have committed serious crimes as evil and then we, metaphorically and sometimes literally, throw them in a hole and never think of them again. Suppose we treated healthcare this way. Someone has a very serious sickness and we call it evil for them to be so sick and lock them in an isolation ward and throw away the key. We won't get a cure that way. And we won't rehabilitate people if we write them off as evil and put them in prison for life.
by Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:06 pm
Ifreann wrote:Kramania wrote:Not normally a word I use, but it's the best one I can find to describe kidnapping and torturing a mentally disabled person.
Which is useless. Thought terminating. We designate people who have committed serious crimes as evil and then we, metaphorically and sometimes literally, throw them in a hole and never think of them again. Suppose we treated healthcare this way. Someone has a very serious sickness and we call it evil for them to be so sick and lock them in an isolation ward and throw away the key. We won't get a cure that way. And we won't rehabilitate people if we write them off as evil and put them in prison for life.
by Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:07 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Ifreann wrote:Which is useless. Thought terminating. We designate people who have committed serious crimes as evil and then we, metaphorically and sometimes literally, throw them in a hole and never think of them again. Suppose we treated healthcare this way. Someone has a very serious sickness and we call it evil for them to be so sick and lock them in an isolation ward and throw away the key. We won't get a cure that way. And we won't rehabilitate people if we write them off as evil and put them in prison for life.
Then you're problem is that you're not separating the act from the person.
Obviously the act itself is evil, incredibly malicious and destructive. The person, however, can be redeemed.
by Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:08 pm
Kramania wrote:Ifreann wrote:Which is useless. Thought terminating. We designate people who have committed serious crimes as evil and then we, metaphorically and sometimes literally, throw them in a hole and never think of them again. Suppose we treated healthcare this way. Someone has a very serious sickness and we call it evil for them to be so sick and lock them in an isolation ward and throw away the key. We won't get a cure that way. And we won't rehabilitate people if we write them off as evil and put them in prison for life.
You can't rehabilitate people who are psychopaths. You can't cute them. All you can do is lock them away and keep them separated from the rest of society so they can't hurt anyone else.
by Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:08 pm
by Salus Maior » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:09 pm
Principality of the Raix wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
Then you're problem is that you're not separating the act from the person.
Obviously the act itself is evil, incredibly malicious and destructive. The person, however, can be redeemed.
Yet that depends on the person themself, if they want to be redeemed deep down inside and are not lying to save their butt's from being locked away forever. Some people mean it, some don't.
by Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:11 pm
Salus Maior wrote:Principality of the Raix wrote:Yet that depends on the person themself, if they want to be redeemed deep down inside and are not lying to save their butt's from being locked away forever. Some people mean it, some don't.
Yes, they do have to want it. But you'll never know if they do if they're not given a chance to do so.
by Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:13 pm
by Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:14 pm
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Principality of the Raix wrote:Depends what you mean by treatable, some people think electro-therapy helps mental illness. When it is just torture, thing is; It depends on the type of mental illness.
Well duh. I mean actually fucking treatment. With medication and therapy
by Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:17 pm
by Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:18 pm
by Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:20 pm
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Kramania wrote:That depends entirely on what type of mental illness you are referring to.
Psychopathy can't be cured. That is a simple fact.
Schizophrenia can't be cured either. I manage it. People are making some strides to manage psychopathy better, especially in correctional settings.
by Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:20 pm
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Kramania wrote:That depends entirely on what type of mental illness you are referring to.
Psychopathy can't be cured. That is a simple fact.
Schizophrenia can't be cured either. I manage it. People are making some strides to manage psychopathy better, especially in correctional settings.
by New haven america » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:24 pm
by Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:24 pm
Kramania wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:Schizophrenia can't be cured either. I manage it. People are making some strides to manage psychopathy better, especially in correctional settings.
Until it can be cured they need to be separated from the rest of society. Psychopaths can't take medication to suddenly give them empathy and compassion. They are devoid of either.
by Principality of the Raix » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:26 pm
New haven america wrote:Too the people complaining that she's getting probation: You do realize that she's spent a year in jail, is stuck with 4 years probation, and now has a felony next to her name. Due to how the US works, any future plans she has are now down the drain and it's very likely she'll be sent back on another crime, so...
I mean, I personally think 2-4 years would've been a better sentence, but due to plea deals and jail/prison overpopulation, I understand why she got off with less. (Even though her life is now officially destroyed)
by Escocaria » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:27 pm
New haven america wrote:Too the people complaining that she's getting probation: You do realize that she's spent a year in jail, is stuck with 4 years probation, and now has a felony next to her name. Due to how the US works, any future plans she has are now down the drain and it's very likely she'll be sent back on another crime, so...
I mean, I personally think 2-4 years would've been a better sentence, but due to plea deals and jail/prison overpopulation, I understand why she got off with less. (Even though her life is now officially destroyed)
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by Kramania » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:29 pm
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Kramania wrote:Until it can be cured they need to be separated from the rest of society. Psychopaths can't take medication to suddenly give them empathy and compassion. They are devoid of either.
Actually trials show anti psychotics have taken away some of the violent impulses. Additionally, psychologists are making strides in the theory of exploiting the lack of empathy, by teaching them the personal gain of not acting on said impulses
by New haven america » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:30 pm
Principality of the Raix wrote:New haven america wrote:Too the people complaining that she's getting probation: You do realize that she's spent a year in jail, is stuck with 4 years probation, and now has a felony next to her name. Due to how the US works, any future plans she has are now down the drain and it's very likely she'll be sent back on another crime, so...
I mean, I personally think 2-4 years would've been a better sentence, but due to plea deals and jail/prison overpopulation, I understand why she got off with less. (Even though her life is now officially destroyed)
1.If they were concerned about prison overpopulation, they would not detain those on practical legal now drug charges least on usage. Selling and other things I understand, however at the same time lock her up for her participation within this act. 2.At the same time, I understand her life is destroyed, however who is to say had they not been caught that they would of committed another crime any ways.
by Internationalist Bastard » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:31 pm
Kramania wrote:Internationalist Bastard wrote:Actually trials show anti psychotics have taken away some of the violent impulses. Additionally, psychologists are making strides in the theory of exploiting the lack of empathy, by teaching them the personal gain of not acting on said impulses
Oh, good. Like teaching a dog not to bite. More animal than human.
by New haven america » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:32 pm
Escocaria wrote:New haven america wrote:Too the people complaining that she's getting probation: You do realize that she's spent a year in jail, is stuck with 4 years probation, and now has a felony next to her name. Due to how the US works, any future plans she has are now down the drain and it's very likely she'll be sent back on another crime, so...
I mean, I personally think 2-4 years would've been a better sentence, but due to plea deals and jail/prison overpopulation, I understand why she got off with less. (Even though her life is now officially destroyed)
Well, we could say that or we could also say that we have a violent racist who is perfectly willing to do harm to others, purely because they don't share a skin tone, is not currently locked up.
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