Martin Schulz calls for US of Europe within 8 years

[Nakena]

Do you consider likely to have the European economies and societies to go further than parliamentary democracy and social market economy in the next ten years? I don't. Explain why you think they could and how you think we could do it while creating a unified country.

Melenchon in France and Corbyn in Britain offer at least two increasingly viable alternatives. Of course we could just follow the self fulfilling prophecies of so many Italian communists and shamelessly capitulate to neoliberalism again and again and again until the working class has absolutely no faith in the left whatsoever. Because that's how we fucking got here.

That sounds almost like what Martin Schulz so-called "Social Democrats" had been doing and is the very reason they keep going down the polls.

[Risottia]

Do you consider likely to have the European economies and societies to go further than parliamentary democracy and social market economy in the next ten years? I don't. Explain why you think they could and how you think we could do it while creating a unified country.

Melenchon in France and Corbyn in Britain offer at least two increasingly viable alternatives. Of course we could just follow the self fulfilling prophecies of so many Italian communists and shamelessly capitulate to neoliberalism again and again and again until the working class has absolutely no faith in the left whatsoever. Because that's how we fucking got here.

Do Corbyn and Melenchon propose a unified Europe with a socialist economy? Do they?

[Bakery Hill]

Melenchon in France and Corbyn in Britain offer at least two increasingly viable alternatives. Of course we could just follow the self fulfilling prophecies of so many Italian communists and shamelessly capitulate to neoliberalism again and again and again until the working class has absolutely no faith in the left whatsoever. Because that's how we fucking got here.

That sounds almost like what Martin Schulz so-called "Social Democrats" had been doing and is the very reason they keep going down the polls.

It's why the SPD reached record lows, it's the PS in France barely exists anymore, it's why the PCI's old heartlands vote Lega Norda. It's what people on the left call Pasokification and the only parties who have successfully bucked the trend are those who've taken a stand against transnational neoliberalism that is destroying the the lives of working people across the world.

[New Totzka]

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'Nuff said.

[Bakery Hill]

Melenchon in France and Corbyn in Britain offer at least two increasingly viable alternatives. Of course we could just follow the self fulfilling prophecies of so many Italian communists and shamelessly capitulate to neoliberalism again and again and again until the working class has absolutely no faith in the left whatsoever. Because that's how we fucking got here.

Do Corbyn and Melenchon propose a unified Europe with a socialist economy? Do they?

Nope. What they propose is a democratic socialism implemented on the national level. Somewhere in between the genuine social democracy of Attlee and the Eurocommunism of Berlinguer. And people are flocking to it.

[The Conez Imperium]

The EU commission if given more powers to directly legislate laws on behalf of EU nations would be a welcome addition to further integrate European Nations. The only way to balance such an awesome power would be to give member states veto power.

[Verlzonia]

Can Germany just stop with it?
Do they think that since their idelogy is 'popular' they won't get poked?

[Nakena]

Can Germany just stop with it?
Do they think that since their idelogy is 'popular' they won't get poked?

Schulz also is in favor of even more refugees for Germany too! :^)

[Chestaan]

A united Europe is one thing, and done correctly would be fine. But under the current EU system? Not a chance. The current EU is a mess, and has done immense harm to the economies of the member nations in the last few decades, the worst culprit of course being the euro. Don't get me wrong, the free-trade and movement of people is great, but most beyond that has been incredibly flawed. Actually the anti-competition laws are pretty great as well.

But let's not forget the ongoing (and it is still ongoing) euro crisis. The piecemeal and aggressive approach of EU enforced austerity measures against the small periphery nations has been a disaster. Then when some genuinely large countries came into distress, i.e Spain and Italy, the EU realised it had to change it's approach and began buying Spanish and Italian bonds. QE was implemented, as it should have been, but was at least six years too late.

The current system isn't fit for purpose, and before any federalism is considered, the institutions need to be completely rebuilt from scratch. But the way this will instead proceed is a useless half-baked attempt just like the euro.

[Lomagna]

So one person has called for it. Is there actually support for it, or is everyone just getting the vapours?

It is not the first time someone suggests that. People in the EU institutions and EU states openly support that. EU citizens want the EU to do more, according to Eurostat. However EU governments don't want to lose power and any further integration will take a long time and it will be implemented in small doses.

[Valrifell]

How is that edgy?



No, I don't mean imposing culture on anyone. I mean maybe overtime the culture of this united Europe would drift into a sort of pan-European culture.

Why destroy multiple cultures? Why do you want to take national sovereignty away from multiple countries?

Under a continental Federal/Confederal system, every "state" would have a different feel from the others. You see this in India, Russia, and the United States. The only thing that people would be forsaking is maybe their national language, everything else would mostly remain in tact. You don't just "undo" thousands of years of cultural development because you form a union with your neighbor, Finns aren't Swedes, after all.

[Sovaal]

Sooo edgy.

PS: On second thought, it's late and I may have read too much into your statement.

How is that edgy?

So you mean imperialism. Nice.

No, I don't mean imposing culture on anyone. I mean maybe overtime the culture of this united Europe would drift into a sort of pan-European culture.

Cultures generally don't naturally "drift" to some pan culture, those often come about by the dominating group imposing their culture on the other smaller groups.

[City of Moscow]

The discussion's going on in this forum topic are almost entertaining in a sense, not calling anyone out by saying that

But I will be interested to see how this plan goes in the coming future regardless

[Sernarbia]

Nice to see the Europhobes melting down over this. Shutlz must be on the right track.

[Sovaal]

Nice to see the Europhobes melting down over this. Shutlz must be on the right track.

I don[t think this is so much "Europhobes" so much as it is people aren't fond of the EU. There's a difference believe it or not.

[Sernarbia]

Nice to see the Europhobes melting down over this. Shutlz must be on the right track.

I don[t think this is so much "Europhobes" so much as it is people aren't fond of the EU. There's a difference believe it or not.

Not in my experience. You lot just seem to hate anything European.

[Saint Gloria]

Hopefully, this plan of his will never get off the ground, however, he might have the audacity to try it.

[Sernarbia]

Hopefully, this plan of his will never get off the ground, however, he might have the audacity to try it.

Because screw international cooperation! Neo Isolationism for the win!

[Tillania]

Not in my experience. You lot just seem to hate anything European.

Well, the EU is invincible, they might as well give up the struggle.

The EU is, at the same time, fascist, neoliberal, stalinist, socialist, ineffectual, tyrannical, advancing the gay agenda, breaking apart, threatening russia and rapidly taking over everything.
That is true omnipotence, impossible for mere human minds to comprehend, let alone fight!

...either that, or it is a convenient canvas onto which various extremists can project their personal bogeymen.
I'd value your opinion on this, Mr. Occam.

[Dooom35796821595]

Hopefully, this plan of his will never get off the ground, however, he might have the audacity to try it.

Because screw international cooperation! Neo Isolationism for the win!

There's international cooperation, then there's giving powers to a disconnected elite in Brussels. That last one, that's a mistake.

[The Transhuman Union]

Oh definitely this is going to work! There are no, like issues in the European Union that deserve more attention than creating the US of Europe...
It's definitely to going be a very stable multicultural nation, like Yugoslavia! Yeah!

Oh wait...

[Sovaal]

I don[t think this is so much "Europhobes" so much as it is people aren't fond of the EU. There's a difference believe it or not.

Not in my experience. You lot just seem to hate anything European.

Nice projecting there.

[Valgora]

Oh definitely this is going to work! There are no, like issues in the European Union that deserve more attention than creating the US of Europe...
It's definitely to going be a very stable multicultural nation, like Yugoslavia! Yeah!

Oh wait...

If Tito is resurrected, I could see him being able to bring the cultures of Europe under one country with little problem; however, then his successors will just fuck that up.

[Aellex]

Finally, took them long enough.

I wonder how long it'd take for His Majesty Emmanuel I of House Macron to try and challenge Merkel's leadership, leading to France losing Alsace and Lorraine again and the Paris Commune 2: Proletarian Boogaloo.

>implying the German army would even be able to cross the border without Schengen

No, rather, it would be the War of the Coalition all over again leading to the restoration of our Natural Borders with the re-annexion of the Rhineland. :^)

Also, comparing Macron to Napoléon III is very unfair. The latter was actually a great man of strong character who rose to power through his sheer force of will, unlike the former who is just a pansy opportunist that was put into his position.

[Sovaal]

Oh definitely this is going to work! There are no, like issues in the European Union that deserve more attention than creating the US of Europe...
It's definitely to going be a very stable multicultural nation, like Yugoslavia! Yeah!

Oh wait...

If they Tito is resurrected, I could see him being able to bring the cultures of Europe under one country with little problem; however, then his successors will just fuck that up.

If it breaks up I would hope it would be more Czechoslovakia.