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by Liriena » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:02 pm
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by The of Japan » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:02 pm
Aillyria wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Yes, "genocidal".
The same nation that has made great strives to accommodate its Arabic and Muslim citizens, that has repeatedly tried to come to some sort of arrangement with Palestine and that literally allows anti-Zionist Islamic parties to participate in the Israeli Knesset despite many of them being opposed to the very existence of Israel as a nation.
Wow, what a bunch of evil genocidal mass-murderers.
The only acceptable "arrangement" is for the Jews to hand over all land they stole from the Palestinians in 1947.
by Volkmacht » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:02 pm
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by Free Tristania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:03 pm
Aillyria wrote:Sanctissima wrote:
Yes, "genocidal".
The same nation that has made great strives to accommodate its Arabic and Muslim citizens, that has repeatedly tried to come to some sort of arrangement with Palestine and that literally allows anti-Zionist Islamic parties to participate in the Israeli Knesset despite many of them being opposed to the very existence of Israel as a nation.
Wow, what a bunch of evil genocidal mass-murderers.
The only acceptable "arrangement" is for the Jews to hand over all land they stole from the Palestinians in 1947.
by Thermodolia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:03 pm
Deian salazar wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:I’m not a Christian so it wouldn’t be good for those us who aren’t in the Christian Faith if banking on the end of the world to bring Jesus back is successful (in ending the world that is, not bringing Jesus back) and we all die for nothing. But I don’t want to get into a religious debate so I’ll just leave it at that. You do you.
I agree, I'm not saying I am basing my politics on it either. Just saying that either Trump f*cked up and caused a crisis, or he just brought the apocalypse that will save the Christians apparently.
Either way, I facepalm if it had to end like this. I disapprove of this politically either way, regardless of my religious stance on the matter.
by Liriena » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:04 pm
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by Trumptonium » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:04 pm
Deian salazar wrote:Trumptonium wrote:Good.
Though the 3 sites (Holy Sepulchre, Dome and Wailing Wall) should become governed by the UN with free access to everybody.
But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.
Anything that pisses off the Islamic world is just a bonus, and anything that enrages European & American Muslims to rage and riot is politically beneficial.
...Do you know anything about geopolitics? Not meant as an insult, just asking.
Deian salazar wrote:This could be used by Russia and China to curry Muslim favor by opposing the action.
Deian salazar wrote:This could(But likely won't) cause WW3, but it's the most likely of any immediate crisis to do so.
Deian salazar wrote:And this is a world war we [i]cannot win due to all the oil being on the opposing side.
Deian salazar wrote:deal us a humiliating defeat
by The Misconception » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:04 pm
Deian salazar wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/middleeast/trump-jerusalem-israel-capital.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-jerusalem-israel-capital-turkey-organization-islamic-cooperation/
Yup. Trump did it. The madman did it. He's caused another unnecessary crisis, just like Yemen and Qatar.
Yes I am aware of the argument for doing it, but this will cause another diplomatic crisis even if they stay our allies, it will strain ties further.
I personally think one of 4 things will happen:
1: Diplomatic crisis that makes USA be seen as enemy of Islam by many people but still an ally of many Muslim governments.(Most likely)
2: Cause a holy war(Extremely unlikely but possible if things get bad enough. Not impossible, but quite implausible.).
3: Many Muslim states cut off all ties with USA(Still pretty unlikely but more likely than the Holy War.)
4: Some Muslim states limit access to oil and use that as leverage(Unsure of this, it is a major Saud money-maker and they may be quite hesitant to do it, but it's not impossible realistically. Could still happen. Slightly but not much more likely than the Holy War.)
Either way, this is going to cause issue with the Israel-Palestinian peace process, in my personal opinion and result in another unneeded crisis, even if you support Israel strongly, you gotta agree this is another headache not worth creating.
To me he f*cked up, I'd have said this of any President, whether I liked Muslims or not this is strategically a poor move.
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:04 pm
by Ors Might » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:04 pm
by Thermodolia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:04 pm
by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:05 pm
Volkmacht wrote:This was beyond stupid. East Jerusalem is occupied territory and should not be recognized as part of Israel-controlled Jerusalem.
by The Conez Imperium » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:05 pm
Free Tristania wrote:Trumptonium wrote:Good.
Though the 3 sites (Holy Sepulchre, Dome and Wailing Wall) should become governed by the UN with free access to everybody.
But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.
Anything that pisses off the Islamic world is just a bonus, and anything that enrages European & American Muslims to rage and riot is politically beneficial.
I disagree on only one item there: The 3 Holy Sites should be administered by the State of Israel which should enshrine free access in its constitution. The U.N is a worthless body, paper pushers and as corrupt as can be and the less of a role they are given, the better it is for all of us.
by Ostroeuropa » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:05 pm
Liriena wrote:Trumptonium wrote:Good.
Though the 3 sites (Holy Sepulchre, Dome and Wailing Wall) should become governed by the UN with free access to everybody.
But Jerusalem is and should remain Israel's capital, recognised by all.
Anything that pisses off the Islamic world is just a bonus, and anything that enrages European & American Muslims to rage and riot is politically beneficial.
Imagine basing your politics on spite and being this smug about it.
by Liriena » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:05 pm
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by The Greater Ohio Valley » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:06 pm
by Free Tristania » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:06 pm
The Conez Imperium wrote:Free Tristania wrote:I disagree on only one item there: The 3 Holy Sites should be administered by the State of Israel which should enshrine free access in its constitution. The U.N is a worthless body, paper pushers and as corrupt as can be and the less of a role they are given, the better it is for all of us.
The primary goal of the UN is to facilitate peace through dialogue and bring all countries of the world together. Through the world assembly and the security council, they've been doing just that.
by Volkmacht » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:06 pm
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by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:07 pm
Liriena wrote:Deian salazar wrote:Trump and Obama most likely.
I like Obama but disapprove of his foreign policy, too...well passive. But Trump's bombastic policy is too arrogant and aggressive for me.
Honestly, Obama's foreign policy only looked passive, but in practical terms it wasn't too different from the Bush foreign policy. In hindsight, I gave him too much of a free pass.
by Liriena » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:07 pm
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by The Conez Imperium » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:07 pm
Liriena wrote:Deian salazar wrote:Trump and Obama most likely.
I like Obama but disapprove of his foreign policy, too...well passive. But Trump's bombastic policy is too arrogant and aggressive for me.
Honestly, Obama's foreign policy only looked passive, but in practical terms it wasn't too different from the Bush foreign policy.
by Thermodolia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:07 pm
Liriena wrote:Thermodolia wrote:I don't care. I like his foreign policy, other while I'm leaning towards voting for him he'll probably do something stupid to make me reconsider
What foreign policy?
"Hey, son-in-law with no foreign policy experience, go solve the Middle East! And let's cause more civilian casualties in the Middle East! Also, maybe cause a nuclear war, and see if we can alienate even the Tories by retweeting British nazis!"
That foreign policy?
by Holy Tedalonia » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:08 pm
by Trumptonium » Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:08 pm
Deian salazar wrote:You don't understand Realpolitik do you?
Realpolitik means Russia would love to take advantage of this.
As would China. Whether they like the Muslims or not is irrelevant, this is a golden opportunity for them.
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