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by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:42 am
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by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:43 am
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by Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:44 am
by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:45 am
Donut section wrote:Buzzfeed?
Why would you post that? No one is going to believe any points you make. Like you might as well post from the daily stormer or the guardian.
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by Saiwania » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:46 am
by Alliance of Free Planets » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:51 am
Saiwania wrote:In my opinion, citizens residing within any nation are entitled to move wherever they want to within that nation's borders, but the community itself that you're moving to, isn't required to welcome or accept you. That is on you, to get your neighbors to like or tolerate you enough. A police department ideally, wouldn't have any bias; except for enforcing the legal code of that jurisdiction.
by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:51 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Liriena wrote:I wasn't aware that the folks at Buzzfeed were unironic Stalinists who advocated for sending all liberals to the gulag. #themoreyouknow
No offense, but lrn2politicalcompass
Using the framework of marx to attack and vilify whites and males instead of the rich still makes them leftists.
Ostroeuropa wrote:Much like using guns to shoot people rather than deer still makes you a gun user.
They use a leftist form of thought and leftist tools. Much like the Nazis, except these ones haven't been denounced and called "Right wing" yet.
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by Aellex » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:52 am
Liriena wrote:Friendly reminder that Buzzfeed does actual journalism a lot more often than we give them credit for, so unless this was one of their "23 things you didn't know about racism according to these memes" pieces or something like that, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them.
by Alvecia » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:53 am
Alliance of Free Planets wrote:Saiwania wrote:In my opinion, citizens residing within any nation are entitled to move wherever they want to within that nation's borders, but the community itself that you're moving to, isn't required to welcome or accept you. That is on you, to get your neighbors to like or tolerate you enough. A police department ideally, wouldn't have any bias; except for enforcing the legal code of that jurisdiction.
To play devils advocate here, if a community isn’t accepting you due to racial standards is it not your job to expose discrimination, or would you rather POC/whites facing racism simply lie down and take it without doing anything?
by Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:55 am
Liriena wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Using the framework of marx to attack and vilify whites and males instead of the rich still makes them leftists.
Stop blaming Marx for our white male woes, please. The guy already has to put up with enough smears without you making up a whole new "Marxism ruined the West" theory out of thin air or lowkey perpetuating the "muh cultural marxism" conspiracy theory.
Also, no. As far as I can tell, Buzzfeed writers are largely neolibs, maybe a handful of center-leftists. Calling them "extreme left" is like calling Barack Obama a "communist".Ostroeuropa wrote:Much like using guns to shoot people rather than deer still makes you a gun user.
They use a leftist form of thought and leftist tools. Much like the Nazis, except these ones haven't been denounced and called "Right wing" yet.
Fascism evolved from the syndicalist movement.
Mussolini was a syndicalist.
Franco was a syndicalist, right up until he decided capitalism was fine. (Suspiciously, after the fascists in europe got defeated and the continent was full of capitalists and communists.)
A key tenet in italian fascist thought is the notion of "Proletarian nations."
National Socialist philosophy was based in socialism and the notion Jews and capitalism were intertwined.
"The doctrines of marx and hitler are compatible" and such.
Engels used terms like "racial trash" to refer to tribal communities and considered only capitalist societies sufficiently advanced for communism, advocating that the rest be done away with.
The right co-opted many of these movements through the process of institutionalization like Liriena described, but the movements as popular movements and intellectual movements were thoroughly sourced in the left wing.
Long Knives is essentially the best example of this, where the right wing went to the Hitlerites and said "We don't mind any of this racist shit, just get rid of the socialists. We're happy to help you kill Jews just so long as noone gets free healthcare.", because Hitler needed the army and the industrialists, he did it.
That was a "pragmatic" decision, not one based in ideology.
by Truemerica » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:58 am
San Lumen wrote:I found this article highly disturbing. Its long but worth the read.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertsamaha/p ... csG7zPy3B0
The article is mainly about the city of Troy, which is technically a suburb of Albany the capital of New York State. The city is a reflection of a growing trend where people of color are moving to smaller cities or suburban areas and changing the demographics. Yet the police forces in those communities don't treat them well nor do people in the community.
They treat them differently and the residents act like they are bringing crime and lowering their property values among other things. The police forces also don't reflect the changing demographics and the departments seem hostile to allowing non whites into their club. To be clear I am not saying that someone should get a job because of their race.
I think this is white protectionism and its highly disturbing and unacceptable. There is no link between race and crime and people shouldn't feel unwelcome where they reside.
The United States is a diverse multicultural country. People should be allowed to reside wherever they want and not feel like their town or city is unwelcoming or hostile to them because of their race.
in the words of Hermann Munster: The lesson i want you to learn is it doesn't matter what you look like. You can be tall or short or fat or thin, ugly or handsome like your father or you can be black, yellow or white it doesn't matter. What does matter is the size of your heart and the strength of your character."
What's your take NSG on this hostile treatment and other issues this article raises?
by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:03 am
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by Aellex » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:08 am
Liriena wrote:It's funny because it's true. Mind you, I still have a pretty low opinion of them as a whole, but they've somehow managed to be the finest example of bad, bad media while also having a handful of decent journalists who do actual investigative work among them.
by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:11 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Liriena wrote:Stop blaming Marx for our white male woes, please. The guy already has to put up with enough smears without you making up a whole new "Marxism ruined the West" theory out of thin air or lowkey perpetuating the "muh cultural marxism" conspiracy theory.
Also, no. As far as I can tell, Buzzfeed writers are largely neolibs, maybe a handful of center-leftists. Calling them "extreme left" is like calling Barack Obama a "communist".
(Underlined)
There's that buzz word again. You're not conspiring, you're just wrong. Racism and sexism aren't conspiracies, they are mindsets, and the marxist class warfare shit is a model that serves racism and sexism just as well as superiority narratives. That you can't seem to accept the left is capable of messing up without deliberately conspiring to do so suggests you have a dangerous case of exceptionalism, the mere fact you allege conspiracy is a good reason you shouldn't be trusted, you apparently think yourself and your allies utterly beyond human error. Unless, that is, you were being deliberately disingenuous.
Ostroeuropa wrote:As for your rofling, it's true.Fascism evolved from the syndicalist movement.
Mussolini was a syndicalist.
Franco was a syndicalist, right up until he decided capitalism was fine. (Suspiciously, after the fascists in europe got defeated and the continent was full of capitalists and communists.)
A key tenet in italian fascist thought is the notion of "Proletarian nations."
National Socialist philosophy was based in socialism and the notion Jews and capitalism were intertwined.
"The doctrines of marx and hitler are compatible" and such.
Engels used terms like "racial trash" to refer to tribal communities and considered only capitalist societies sufficiently advanced for communism, advocating that the rest be done away with.
The right co-opted many of these movements through the process of institutionalization like Liriena described, but the movements as popular movements and intellectual movements were thoroughly sourced in the left wing.
Long Knives is essentially the best example of this, where the right wing went to the Hitlerites and said "We don't mind any of this racist shit, just get rid of the socialists. We're happy to help you kill Jews just so long as noone gets free healthcare.", because Hitler needed the army and the industrialists, he did it.
That was a "pragmatic" decision, not one based in ideology.
Said as a syndicalist. See, I recognize that fuck ups need to be owned to prevent them happening again.
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by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:13 am
Sareva-Hiiro wrote:Liriena wrote:Friendly reminder that Buzzfeed does actual journalism a lot more often than we give them credit for, so unless this was one of their "23 things you didn't know about racism according to these memes" pieces or something like that, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them. Let's not forget that they were the ones who made the (since then mostly corroborated) Christopher Steele dossier public.
i know this is off-topic, but that has been proven to be a bucket full of lies. Now, there are other things out there that definitely harm President Trump, no doubt about it, but that "dossier" is so full of shit.
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by Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:16 am
Liriena wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
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There's that buzz word again. You're not conspiring, you're just wrong. Racism and sexism aren't conspiracies, they are mindsets, and the marxist class warfare shit is a model that serves racism and sexism just as well as superiority narratives. That you can't seem to accept the left is capable of messing up without deliberately conspiring to do so suggests you have a dangerous case of exceptionalism, the mere fact you allege conspiracy is a good reason you shouldn't be trusted, you apparently think yourself and your allies utterly beyond human error. Unless, that is, you were being deliberately disingenuous.
That's a lot of mean-spirited assumptions to unpack...
Also, no.
Also, I call it a conspiracy theory because it's what it ultimately is, even if you have the self-awareness to sanitize it.Ostroeuropa wrote:As for your rofling, it's true.
Said as a syndicalist. See, I recognize that fuck ups need to be owned to prevent them happening again.
I too recognize the left's screw ups... I just don't count Marx's work as one of them. It's hardly flawless gospel, sure, and many authors have gone on to expand and improve and critique Marx's work (Gramsci is my waifu :3). But I'm not going to blame Marx for Buzzfeed, of all things.
by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:18 am
Aellex wrote:Liriena wrote:It's funny because it's true. Mind you, I still have a pretty low opinion of them as a whole, but they've somehow managed to be the finest example of bad, bad media while also having a handful of decent journalists who do actual investigative work among them.
You're having a way too high opinion of them tbh. They're liberal-oriented biased trash (much like Breitbart is conservative one) that well-deserve it's reputation of being utter garbage and that's it.
Thinking they have "hidden pearls" is just wishful thinking.
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by Aellex » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:20 am
Liriena wrote:Aellex wrote:You're having a way too high opinion of them tbh. They're liberal-oriented biased trash (much like Breitbart is conservative one) that well-deserve it's reputation of being utter garbage and that's it.
Thinking they have "hidden pearls" is just wishful thinking.
Not really. See: the Steele Dossier and all of this...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/richholmes/the ... .djvo3pNxp
https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrishamby/sup ... .bvvKReNXe
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/das ... .cf9V7gzwg
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicagarriso ... .pcoeP8nV8
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/do ... .erZzJlwZl
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/the ... .pcoeP8nV8
by Unstoppable Empire of Doom » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:24 am
by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:25 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Liriena wrote:That's a lot of mean-spirited assumptions to unpack...
Also, no.
Also, I call it a conspiracy theory because it's what it ultimately is, even if you have the self-awareness to sanitize it.
I too recognize the left's screw ups... I just don't count Marx's work as one of them. It's hardly flawless gospel, sure, and many authors have gone on to expand and improve and critique Marx's work (Gramsci is my waifu :3). But I'm not going to blame Marx for Buzzfeed, of all things.
Ah, "Sanitizing." So what you mean is, "It's a conspiracy theory even though you're not accusing anyone of conspiring." Is that about the jist of it?
I'd be less mean spirited, but i've seen leftists routinely use this meme to dismiss criticism, a few years ago feminists were routinely using it to ignore and dismiss criticism of them as "Conspiracy theories." and we've seen how that worked out.
That you use it when you know full well no conspiracy is being alleged speaks poorly of you, and the company you've kept to have your mind filled with the idea that this is a sufficient rebuttal to criticism.
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by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:28 am
Aellex wrote:Liriena wrote:Not really. See: the Steele Dossier and all of this...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/richholmes/the ... .djvo3pNxp
https://www.buzzfeed.com/chrishamby/sup ... .bvvKReNXe
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/das ... .cf9V7gzwg
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicagarriso ... .pcoeP8nV8
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/do ... .erZzJlwZl
https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/the ... .pcoeP8nV8
Again, I'm sure I could find similar thing on Breitbart if I took the time to search. Does that makes either even barely decent or credible as media? Lol no.
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by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:29 am
Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Yikes you take Buzzfeed seriously. If scientists announce that preliminary testing of a cancer drug worked well in mice Buzzfeed would release an article claiming the scientists are racist because they used cheaper albino mice.Then follow it up about the paygap between albino mice and free roaming mice. Then insist that being born with a penis is borderline rape and puts in company with Stalin for the worst human ever.
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by Sovaal » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:33 am
Liriena wrote:Unstoppable Empire of Doom wrote:Yikes you take Buzzfeed seriously. If scientists announce that preliminary testing of a cancer drug worked well in mice Buzzfeed would release an article claiming the scientists are racist because they used cheaper albino mice.Then follow it up about the paygap between albino mice and free roaming mice. Then insist that being born with a penis is borderline rape and puts in company with Stalin for the worst human ever.
Buzzfeed is Trotskyist CONFIRMED!!!
by Liriena » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:45 am
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by Sovaal » Tue Dec 05, 2017 10:47 am
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