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A US monarchy

All hail King Harry 1st!
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22%
We prefer 'Queen Meghan I and Prince Harry, Duke of New York'
30
15%
My initial reaction was no but in thinking about it..
4
2%
I'm not too sure
2
1%
I don't think this is a good idea
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8%
Hell no! We have a king and his name is Elvis
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19%
Tis a silly thread..
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Let us at least agree to behead Emperor Greed and Death
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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:59 am

I remember elective monarchies working so well for the HRE...
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:02 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:I remember elective monarchies working so well for the HRE...


Can we name a particular from of government that has worked 'so well'.. definitively?
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 am

Bombadil wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:I remember elective monarchies working so well for the HRE...


Can we name a particular from of government that has worked 'so well'.. definitively?

Not really, but based off of other govs it works better than most. A elective monarchy is like a democracy, but it allows only a select few people to vote typically skipping over the stupid.
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Tarsonis wrote:
Bnei Noah wrote:
“Yeah, fuck old people” is a strange thing to hear from conservatives.


The implication was that Antifa operatives were snatching up old folks from retirement homes and wheeling them out to pad numbers. HT has trouble accepting that Americans object to far right authoritarianism
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Postby Escocaria » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:07 am

Just submit to the United Kingdoms of the British Isles and you get to have the Immortal God-Empress of Mankind, Elizabeth II of Saxe-Coburg und Gotha.
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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:10 am

Escocaria wrote:Just submit to the United Kingdoms of the British Isles and you get to have the Immortal God-Empress of Mankind, Elizabeth II of Saxe-Coburg und Gotha.

Nah, then we can't be westeros. Btw find it weird that we are conveniently building a massive wall? I think we're trying to protect ourselves from white walkers...
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Tarsonis wrote:
Bnei Noah wrote:
“Yeah, fuck old people” is a strange thing to hear from conservatives.


The implication was that Antifa operatives were snatching up old folks from retirement homes and wheeling them out to pad numbers. HT has trouble accepting that Americans object to far right authoritarianism
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Postby The BlAAtschApen » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:12 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Escocaria wrote:Just submit to the United Kingdoms of the British Isles and you get to have the Immortal God-Empress of Mankind, Elizabeth II of Saxe-Coburg und Gotha.

Nah, then we can't be westeros. Btw find it weird that we are conveniently building a massive wall? I think we're trying to protect ourselves from white walkers...


The wall is on the wrong border for that.

Unless you are the white walkers...
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Escocaria
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Postby Escocaria » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:13 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Escocaria wrote:Just submit to the United Kingdoms of the British Isles and you get to have the Immortal God-Empress of Mankind, Elizabeth II of Saxe-Coburg und Gotha.

Nah, then we can't be westeros. Btw find it weird that we are conveniently building a massive wall? I think we're trying to protect ourselves from white walkers...

Romans beat you too it, we've got Hadriens Wall that was designed to keep us Scots (Picts at the time) out.

Also, the Mexicans have already been building tunnels under the Mexican-American border anyway.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:15 am

Hey wait a minute, isn't it illegal for US citizens to hold titles of nobility?
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Postby Corporate Societies » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:16 am

I absolutely hate absolutism. Anything without democracy needs to be FREEDOMIZED.


monarchies are for eurotrash, anyway.
I use some NS stats, I guess.
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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:20 am

Escocaria wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Nah, then we can't be westeros. Btw find it weird that we are conveniently building a massive wall? I think we're trying to protect ourselves from white walkers...

Romans beat you too it, we've got Hadriens Wall that was designed to keep us Scots (Picts at the time) out.

Also, the Mexicans have already been building tunnels under the Mexican-American border anyway.

Yeah, but... it's not awesome...

We'll burn the tunnels. The god of light demands it.
Name: Ted
Favorite posts:
Tarsonis wrote:
Bnei Noah wrote:
“Yeah, fuck old people” is a strange thing to hear from conservatives.


The implication was that Antifa operatives were snatching up old folks from retirement homes and wheeling them out to pad numbers. HT has trouble accepting that Americans object to far right authoritarianism
I M P E R I A LR E P U B L I C

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:22 am

Valrifell wrote:Hey wait a minute, isn't it illegal for US citizens to hold titles of nobility?

I don't think so...
Article 1, Section 10 prohibits the states from granting any titles of nobility to anyone, whether they are citizens or not. Section 9 of the same article has the same prohibition for the federal government. So, an American citizen cannot be named a Prince, Duke, or any other noble title by our own government.

Checked the gov can't grant noble titles, but I think you can hold them still.
Name: Ted
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Tarsonis wrote:
Bnei Noah wrote:
“Yeah, fuck old people” is a strange thing to hear from conservatives.


The implication was that Antifa operatives were snatching up old folks from retirement homes and wheeling them out to pad numbers. HT has trouble accepting that Americans object to far right authoritarianism
I M P E R I A LR E P U B L I C

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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:26 am

I honestly can't tell if you're being completely serious or if you're joking.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:56 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Kernen wrote:I am so ready to engage in some wanton revolutionary destruction, you have no idea.


I do not see it as destruction though :)


We really need to work on your "oppressing the masses" skillset
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Postby Escocaria » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:57 am

Corporate Societies wrote:I absolutely hate absolutism. Anything without democracy needs to be FREEDOMIZED.


monarchies are for eurotrash, anyway.

There were very few actual Absolute Monarchies.
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:58 am

Escocaria wrote:
Corporate Societies wrote:I absolutely hate absolutism. Anything without democracy needs to be FREEDOMIZED.


monarchies are for eurotrash, anyway.

There were very few actual Absolute Monarchies.

How unfortunate.
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Postby Cetacea » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:00 am

the Americans are revolting

do we really want Them to share our glorious Common wealth?

although we have seen Princess Henry's richly minted booty and its quite worthy
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Postby Prusswitonsiakekingkailand » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:03 am

Sankt-Mikhail wrote:
Greed and Death wrote:Thank you my loyal servant how do you feel about governing San Francisco ?


Wait, shit, are you handing out fiefdoms?

You know what, fuck it. I'll be your 100% loyal vassal if you give me all of Indiana.

Draw your pistol sir, there can only be ONE King of Indiana!
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Postby The BlAAtschApen » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:08 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
I do not see it as destruction though :)


We really need to work on your "oppressing the masses" skillset


I'll have drones for that.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:44 am

Obviously if Harry Windsor ascended to the throne of the United States he would be Windsor I, by the grace of God Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico.


Thermodolia wrote:
Heloin wrote:You all disrespect the memory of the one true monarch of America, Glorious Emperor Joshua Abraham Norton.

What's that from again?

Real life. Joshua Norton was an English businessman who moved to San Francisco around 1849. When he lost his fortune he went a bit mad and in 1859 declared himself Emperor of the United States, and later added 'Protector of Mexico'. He was a destitute loon, but even then San Francisco was a city of weirdos, so most people humoured him. He dined for free in the finest restaurants, had a box reserved for every play in the city, received salutes from police officers. Local US Army officers outfitted him with suitably imperial blue uniform with gold epaulettes. He issued his own money, which people accepted. The sheer force of his regal presence quelled an anti-Chinese riot. When he died the papers reported "Le Roi Est Mort", "The King is Dead". 30,000 people attended his funeral, at a time when the population of San Francisco was 230,000.

You'd like him. He issued imperial decrees commanding Congress to assemble to amend the laws of the nation to account for his status, and when they ignored him he decreed that Congress be dissolved, and when they ignored that he ordered Major-General Winfield Scott to muster a suitable force and clear the halls of Congress. Later he solved the divisiveness of party politics by abolishing the Democratic and Republican parties.


Farnhamia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
I just threw in the language for fun, you can talk how you like.

Thank you, we will. As soon as Meghan becomes Duchess of Sussex or whatever, you won't be needing those extraneous U's.

So she'll be Dchess of Sssex?


The Blaatschapen wrote:Monarchies world wide should be abolished.

But then what would Willem-Alexander do with himself?


Holy Tedalonia wrote:I remember elective monarchies working so well for the HRE...

Ah yeah, can't beat a few hundred years of Habsburgs.
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Postby The BlAAtschApen » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:50 am

Ifreann wrote:Obviously if Harry Windsor ascended to the throne of the United States he would be Windsor I, by the grace of God Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico.


Thermodolia wrote:What's that from again?

Real life. Joshua Norton was an English businessman who moved to San Francisco around 1849. When he lost his fortune he went a bit mad and in 1859 declared himself Emperor of the United States, and later added 'Protector of Mexico'. He was a destitute loon, but even then San Francisco was a city of weirdos, so most people humoured him. He dined for free in the finest restaurants, had a box reserved for every play in the city, received salutes from police officers. Local US Army officers outfitted him with suitably imperial blue uniform with gold epaulettes. He issued his own money, which people accepted. The sheer force of his regal presence quelled an anti-Chinese riot. When he died the papers reported "Le Roi Est Mort", "The King is Dead". 30,000 people attended his funeral, at a time when the population of San Francisco was 230,000.

You'd like him. He issued imperial decrees commanding Congress to assemble to amend the laws of the nation to account for his status, and when they ignored him he decreed that Congress be dissolved, and when they ignored that he ordered Major-General Winfield Scott to muster a suitable force and clear the halls of Congress. Later he solved the divisiveness of party politics by abolishing the Democratic and Republican parties.


Farnhamia wrote:Thank you, we will. As soon as Meghan becomes Duchess of Sussex or whatever, you won't be needing those extraneous U's.

So she'll be Dchess of Sssex?


The Blaatschapen wrote:Monarchies world wide should be abolished.

But then what would Willem-Alexander do with himself?


Holy Tedalonia wrote:I remember elective monarchies working so well for the HRE...

Ah yeah, can't beat a few hundred years of Habsburgs.


Willem Alexander can go back to talk about water. His background.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:53 am

Prusswitonsiakekingkailand wrote:
Sankt-Mikhail wrote:
Wait, shit, are you handing out fiefdoms?

You know what, fuck it. I'll be your 100% loyal vassal if you give me all of Indiana.

Draw your pistol sir, there can only be ONE King of Indiana!

I guess I'm the duke of Texas, then.
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Tarsonis wrote:
Bnei Noah wrote:
“Yeah, fuck old people” is a strange thing to hear from conservatives.


The implication was that Antifa operatives were snatching up old folks from retirement homes and wheeling them out to pad numbers. HT has trouble accepting that Americans object to far right authoritarianism
I M P E R I A LR E P U B L I C

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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:55 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Prusswitonsiakekingkailand wrote:Draw your pistol sir, there can only be ONE King of Indiana!

I guess I'm the duke of Texas, then.

Whoever wants Louisiana has to go through me.

And my army of pet alligators.

And my squadron of blood-sucking mosquitoes.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:57 am

Imperial Esplanade wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:I guess I'm the duke of Texas, then.

Whoever wants Louisiana has to go through me.

And my army of pet alligators.

And my squadron of blood-sucking mosquitoes.

Hey, want to do a political marriage and have our heirs own both Texas and Louisiana?
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Tarsonis wrote:
Bnei Noah wrote:
“Yeah, fuck old people” is a strange thing to hear from conservatives.


The implication was that Antifa operatives were snatching up old folks from retirement homes and wheeling them out to pad numbers. HT has trouble accepting that Americans object to far right authoritarianism
I M P E R I A LR E P U B L I C

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:58 am

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But then what would Willem-Alexander do with himself?


Willem Alexander can go back to talk about water. His background.

I wonder if there's a market for Orange Water...
He/Him
We are born of the salt, we are children of the sea
We don't bend our knee to no king or country
So we hoist the Jolly Roger, the colours of the free
And if we hit the gallows that's the way that it must be

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Postby Chernoslavia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:25 am

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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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