Would you fire him?

[USS Monitor]

Seems like I have outraged many liberals. Well, it's quite simple: I don't want such cases to happen among my employees. In order to not become demonized (and in order to be saved) one should give his/her life to Jesus Christ. There's anyway also enough proof for Christianity to be the only true faith. But liberals will always deny it unless they will have an NDE. This is why I wouldn't employ liberals anyway and thus cases like the described one wouldn't happen at all in my company.

Christians are just as violent and nasty as everyone else.

[Infected Mushroom]

You are an employer.

You've recently hired a new employee. The employee performs exceptionally well and far above the level of your other employees. He's very friendly and behaves very professionally.

However, one morning the employee seems unbelievably pissed off. When you ask him what the matter is... he says its "none of your god damn business" and that you better "beat it."

You then tell him: "Choose your next words wisely, choose them true, and choose them right."

He then says to your face and in full view of the entire office:

"Okay then.

F*** the company.

**** this job.

**** you.

You can go **** yourself."

He then storms off and goes home, skipping more than half a day of work.

The next day he comes back to work, happy and productive as a clam. You have not yet talked to him about his behaviour that day but a few days later... he's back to his super productive and over-performing mode.

So I ask you NSG...

What would you do about this employee? Would you talk to him (how and what about)? Would you fire him? Would you just let it go since it seems to be a one time incident?

I wouldn't fire him for just that one instance but would like to hear an explanation for his behavior. Of course if it happened again I would fire them right then and there.

So a Two Strikes You're Out system?

[Aegyptumia]

I will brought him to my office and discuss the matter with my superior or with the board of directors. They will choose whether to fire or not. Democracy always does.

[Infected Mushroom]

I will brought him to my office and discuss the matter with my superior or with the board of directors. They will choose whether to fire or not. Democracy always does.

is that democracy or hierarchy/deference?

[Heyliges Teutsches Reich]

Christians are just as violent and nasty as everyone else.

Not true Christians.

[Loth Cats]

I would check whether the dude's okay.

Like if it's that out of character for him, I'd be worried that there was something going on outside or inside work that was making him feel that way.

And if he's done it over 5 times, I'd probably ask him to think very careful about his position at the workplace.

[Infected Mushroom]

I would check whether the dude's okay.

Like if it's that out of character for him, I'd be worried that there was something going on outside or inside work that was making him feel that way.

And if he's done it over 5 times, I'd probably ask him to think very careful about his position at the workplace.

I see...

[Torrocca]

Christians are just as violent and nasty as everyone else.

Not true Christians.

Jesus Christ whipped a shitload of bankers and flipped a shitload of tables in a temple with a whip he toiled for three days to make, yo.

Not that I'm against that by any means whatsoever (good guy Jesus looking out for the poor and all that) but yeah, that's factually incorrect.

[Albrenia]

Not true Christians.

Jesus Christ whipped a shitload of bankers and flipped a shitload of tables in a temple with a whip he toiled for three days to make, yo.

Not that I'm against that by any means whatsoever (good guy Jesus looking out for the poor and all that) but yeah, that's factually incorrect.

Indeed.

[Purpelia]

Felt like jumping back into this one for some reason.

Although implicit in the discussion, we did talk about reputation. You also have to factor in reputation for a "employee-employer trade". No firm wants to appear complicit with illegal activities. Imagine the headlines if someone wrote NASA rockets designed by Nazi scientist who used slave labour to build rockets. Yeah sure he built the Saturn 5 rocket but that reputation is ugly.

That only really matters if you have a relatively special set of circumstances where there is a scandal to be had for the media to feed on. And that only really happens if you are both very visible in the public eye as a company (most aren't, especially not small and medium sized businesses) AND your employee is someone that's actually important.

Like say if the CEO of google or a TV presenter or a major athlete was caught doing something nasty that would seriously effect the company image. But only because the company is very much present already in the public eye (and we love watching them fall) and because the worker was someone who also was present in the public eye either directly or by association.
But if it was a random worker in their tech center or a random prop cleaner or janitor at a sports stadium there really would not be any backlash simply because nobody expects you to keep track of such low level employees. And that's for large companies that we do care about. If it was a random worker at a medium sized company most people would have probably newer heard of them. Especially not if its not something consumer oriented (like most of them are not) but some sort of outsourcing or say an accounting firm that does peoples tax papers for them.

Also you have knowledge that someone is doing something awful (beating their wife), I would heavily recommend you do your best efforts to help that poor girl...

Why? She is presumably an adult with all the physical and mental faculties required for making her own decisions. And if she does make the decision to do something about it she has the full support of the state and laws to do so. So what business do I have interfering in the whole thing?

And while we are at it what business do I have interfering with other peoples private lives at all? If I know someone is beating his wife that is my fault for looking into their home and household inappropriately and disrespecting their privacy.

Don't be dumb. The text you quoted contains not a definition of wages but of labor. ...

"Sells" implies an equitable exchange, as you note via the "market," etc.

Again, ...cute.

Equitable as defined by the market and not as defined by any sensible or sane standard of fairness or actual value. If the market decides that the life of your firstborn child is worth one euro than that's how much you'll get for it. As unfair and horrible as that is. Same thing for wages.

You seem to have this delusion that just because the market is horrifically unfair and outright evil and exploitative that it isn't there. And that's just not true. The market works and it works fantastically. It is in fact very very good at doing its job. That job just happens to be exploiting the many to enrich the few, destroying the lives of the have nots and generally making most people miserable.

An evil world is not proof of there being no god. Only that god must him self be evil. Same thing here.

What you think deserves loyalty is irrelevant. Your approach to management would result in nobody working for you except those who lack the skills to gain employment anywhere else. Nobody wants to work for a self-righteous martinet.

You make it sound as if they have somewhere else to go. Perhaps you have not noticed but western civilization is in a decades long trend of rising unemployment thanks to jobs being outsourced to cheaper places. We have far fewer jobs than we have people. And that trend is only going to get worse as time goes on and automation and outsourcing escalate further. So unless I am working with senior level professionals in science or the IT industry most of employees will not be able to just pick up and find another job skilled or not.

Its standard management practice. Management in a capitalist system is all about exerting authority, power, and dominance over the workers.

These people have been kicked around by the Boot for a long time, they don't hesitate to dish it out when its their time to wear the Boot.

This too. However I don't hold it to be as malicious as you make it sound.

Simply put, if you are not going to be firm but fair how is anyone supposed to respect you? And if they don't respect you than the whole thing falls apart. The workers don't trust you will stand up for them if they do no wrong or deserve a reward. Nor will they trust you to solve their interpersonal problems. Therefore they won't strive for rewards and will spend more time making sure they can be proven to do no wrong and resolving(or not resolving but) issues with their coworkers rather than doing their job. And this is assuming they even care and don't just work the bare minimum not to get fired.

[Albrenia]

Quick question to your huge post Purpelia, what if an abused spouse approaches you for help? Would that permit you to intervene?

[Purpelia]

Quick question to your huge post Purpelia, what if an abused spouse approaches you for help? Would that permit you to intervene?

She does not even have to approach me specifically. Just crying for help in general whilst being in a public place where privacy does not apply would do.
I just don't want to be that guy physically or metaphorically peeping through someones window and calling the police on them.

[Colbert Super PAC]

"The honour of the company"? U wot m8?

[Ifreann]

"The honour of the company"? U wot m8?

Honour is the real profit.

[Nimzonia]

What you think deserves loyalty is irrelevant. Your approach to management would result in nobody working for you except those who lack the skills to gain employment anywhere else. Nobody wants to work for a self-righteous martinet.

You make it sound as if they have somewhere else to go. Perhaps you have not noticed but western civilization is in a decades long trend of rising unemployment thanks to jobs being outsourced to cheaper places. We have far fewer jobs than we have people. And that trend is only going to get worse as time goes on and automation and outsourcing escalate further. So unless I am working with senior level professionals in science or the IT industry most of employees will not be able to just pick up and find another job skilled or not.

Perhaps I have not noticed this decades long trend of rising unemployment in western countries because it doesn't exist. In the UK, for instance, unemployment is at its lowest rate since the 1970s.

Most skilled professionals do have somewhere else to go when the workplace culture is as toxic as you would apparently make it, and no, this is not just limited to senior IT professionals. If it was as simple as you seem to think, no business would ever have to pay more than minimum wage to any of its captive employees. The fact that they do suggests there is some modicum of competition for the services of skilled and productive workers, and I'm prepared to bet most organisatons aren't willing to pay higher wages to their employees purely to compensate them for putting up with shitty managers. More likely, they'd just hire better managers who don't drive off all the talent.

[Bloodshade]

Christians are just as violent and nasty as everyone else.

Not true Christians.

You do realize you're falling into the 'No true Scotsman' fallacy perfectly right?

Anyways, what's your definition of a true Christian and what makes you think your definition is THE definition?

[Ransium]

Not a liberal just a Jew.

If you'd be no liberal you'd be no "civil rights lovefest" except for if you only pretended a liberal country. And you wouldn't be gay. Homosexuals also listen to demons. I strongly recommend you to regret and to give your life to Jesus Christ. Unless you weren't a Christian earlier you are on the path to hell. And there are courses for homosexuals to become "healed" (one will help you to get rid off that sin).

The bolded section strays beyond opinion and into trolling territory. Unofficial warning for trolling.

[USS Monitor]

Christians are just as violent and nasty as everyone else.

Not true Christians.

Don't let me catch you calling yourself Christian then. Your posts in this thread reek of hate and arrogance.

[Heyliges Teutsches Reich]

Not true Christians.

Don't let me catch you calling yourself Christian then. Your posts in this thread reek of hate and arrogance.

If this is your opinion, you're no Christian. Maybe you're saved, but you're no Christian. But I suppose you're anyway an atheist or agnostic, a typical liberal full of hate and arrogance (while I am neither arrogant nor I hate anybody). And you don't behave like a moderator in this thread.

[Torrocca]

Don't let me catch you calling yourself Christian then. Your posts in this thread reek of hate and arrogance.

If this is your opinion, you're no Christian. Maybe you're saved, but you're no Christian. But I suppose you're anyway an atheist or agnostic, a typical liberal full of hate and arrogance (while I am neither arrogant nor I hate anybody). And you don't behave like a moderator in this thread.

You're literally acting like an arrogant, gatekeeping Christian without even understanding the Bible. If you did, you'd know true Christians (Jesus Christ included) are violent, contrary to your own claim.

[Heyliges Teutsches Reich]

You're literally acting like an arrogant, gatekeeping Christian without even understanding the Bible. If you did, you'd know true Christians (Jesus Christ included) are violent, contrary to your own claim.

You do realize what you're saying? You seem to have your own definitions. But that is usual among you leftists.

[Torrocca]

You do realize what you're saying? You seem to have your own definitions. But that is usual among you leftists.

John 2:13-16, "When the Jewish Passover was near, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”"

Very literal violence right here, fam.

Now, I'm not saying Christianity is in and of itself violent (which I'm pretty sure you think is what I'm saying (it's not, it's compassionate as fuck, I say as a Christian myself)), but Christians (even "true" ones) are violent.

[Heyliges Teutsches Reich]

You do realize what you're saying? You seem to have your own definitions. But that is usual among you leftists.

John 2:13-16, "When the Jewish Passover was near, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”"

Very literal violence right here, fam.

Now, I'm not saying Christianity is in and of itself violent (which I'm pretty sure you think is what I'm saying (it's not, it's compassionate as fuck, I say as a Christian myself)), but Christians (even "true" ones) are violent.

Alright, if you consider Christianity "violent" because of this, then yes, then it's "good violence". But violence is usually a negative term. Christianity is no hateful religion. We detest hatred.

[Entronium]

"Umm ok?"
Guess I'll keep him?

[Torrocca]

John 2:13-16, "When the Jewish Passover was near, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle. He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those selling doves He said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”"

Very literal violence right here, fam.

Now, I'm not saying Christianity is in and of itself violent (which I'm pretty sure you think is what I'm saying (it's not, it's compassionate as fuck, I say as a Christian myself)), but Christians (even "true" ones) are violent.

Alright, if you consider Christianity "violent" because of this, then yes, then it's "good violence". But violence is usually a negative term. Christianity is no hateful religion. We detest hatred.

"Now, I'm not saying Christianity is in and of itself violent."

Ehem.

Anyway, back to the topic.

"Umm ok?"
Guess I'll keep him?

Based boss