The Warhammer 40.000/Fantasy Discussion Thread Mk.II

[Baltenstein]

I prefer the older metal Cadians, never been a fan of the plastics even when they first came out.

Oh and have a look at either of these for your Praetorians.

https://victoriaminiatures.com/collecti ... -man-squad

https://kirtongames.co.uk/collections/c ... constructs

They both look too... nothing.

They don't look like they belong anywhere, maybe it's just a me thing (it probably is) but I've always felt like the other Army's felt like they belonged. Catachan, Steel Legion, Kreig, Praetorians, Chem Dogs, Vostroyan, Valhallan, etc. felt like they had substance to them. Cadian's just feel like models and that's it.

Probably because they are the one Regiment that isn't based on a particular human culture/historical conflict. Catachans are 'Nam, Krieg are WW1 trench warfare, Praetorians are British Empire, Valhallans are Stalingrad Russians etc etc. Cadians are...generic Sci-Fi.
Somebody has to be the bland, average guy, after all. Kinda like the Black Legion is for Chaos, or how the Ultramarines were for Space Marines before Matt Ward turned them into his personal fanboy project.

[Herador]

They both look too... nothing.

They don't look like they belong anywhere, maybe it's just a me thing (it probably is) but I've always felt like the other Army's felt like they belonged. Catachan, Steel Legion, Kreig, Praetorians, Chem Dogs, Vostroyan, Valhallan, etc. felt like they had substance to them. Cadian's just feel like models and that's it.

Probably because they are the one Regiment that isn't based on a particular human culture/historical conflict. Catachans are 'Nam, Krieg are WW1 trench warfare, Praetorians are British Empire, Valhallans are Stalingrad Russians etc etc. Cadians are...generic Sci-Fi.
Somebody has to be the bland, average guy, after all. Kinda like the Black Legion is for Chaos, or how the Ultramarines were for Space Marines before Matt Ward turned them into his personal fanboy project.

Black Legion and UM both do have feels to them, Ultramarines especially with their Roman stylings.

The problem isn't that Cadian's aren't based on anything, the problem is that their design is boring.

[Baltenstein]

Probably because they are the one Regiment that isn't based on a particular human culture/historical conflict. Catachans are 'Nam, Krieg are WW1 trench warfare, Praetorians are British Empire, Valhallans are Stalingrad Russians etc etc. Cadians are...generic Sci-Fi.
Somebody has to be the bland, average guy, after all. Kinda like the Black Legion is for Chaos, or how the Ultramarines were for Space Marines before Matt Ward turned them into his personal fanboy project.

Black Legion and UM both do have feels to them, Ultramarines especially with their Roman stylings.

The problem isn't that Cadian's aren't based on anything, the problem is that their design is boring.

Black Legion are simply "bad guys"- if they have any character to them, it's that they're Abaddon's army. Ultramarines were extremely forgetable a couple of editions ago, altough I do agree that the Roman thing counts for something.
While I'm personally not into Cadians either, I guess there is an audience for them. Some people probably just want to play an occidental Starship Trooper-esque army, with no particular cultural idiosyncracies to it.
One advantage of the Cadians is that if you use them as "your dudes", you can paint them in any color scheme and give them any background you like - they can be from a desert world, ice world, urbanized world etc, and specialized in tank warfare, aerial drops, infantry waves etc
Pretty much anything goes.

[Herador]

Black Legion and UM both do have feels to them, Ultramarines especially with their Roman stylings.

The problem isn't that Cadian's aren't based on anything, the problem is that their design is boring.

Black Legion are simply "bad guys"- if they have any character to them, it's that they're Abaddon's army. Ultramarines were extremely forgetable a couple of editions ago, altough I do agree that the Roman thing counts for something.
While I'm personally not into Cadians either, I guess there is an audience for them. Some people probably just want to play an occidental Starship Trooper-esque army, with no particular cultural idiosyncracies to it.

And being the personal force of the current dominant "antagonist" counts for a lot, I think.

Cadian's are popular insofar as they are easy to get a hold of and paint, I think.

[Crookfur]

Black Legion are simply "bad guys"- if they have any character to them, it's that they're Abaddon's army. Ultramarines were extremely forgetable a couple of editions ago, altough I do agree that the Roman thing counts for something.
While I'm personally not into Cadians either, I guess there is an audience for them. Some people probably just want to play an occidental Starship Trooper-esque army, with no particular cultural idiosyncracies to it.

And being the personal force of the current dominant "antagonist" counts for a lot, I think.

Cadian's are popular insofar as they are easy to get a hold of and paint, I think.

As said the Cadian models were always supposed to be the generic guard and were a more 90s/00s looking evolution of the rogue trader guard which was very 70s/80s.

It always kind of annoyed me that they even called them cadians instead of just imperial guard and took forever to get plastic models out esspecially after they did plastic catachans.

[Herador]

And being the personal force of the current dominant "antagonist" counts for a lot, I think.

Cadian's are popular insofar as they are easy to get a hold of and paint, I think.

As said the Cadian models were always supposed to be the generic guard and were a more 90s/00s looking evolution of the rogue trader guard which was very 70s/80s.

It always kind of annoyed me that they even called them cadians instead of just imperial guard and took forever to get plastic models out esspecially after they did plastic catachans.

You can be generic and at least somewhat interesting to look at.

[Baltenstein]

And being the personal force of the current dominant "antagonist" counts for a lot, I think.

Cadian's are popular insofar as they are easy to get a hold of and paint, I think.

As said the Cadian models were always supposed to be the generic guard and were a more 90s/00s looking evolution of the rogue trader guard which was very 70s/80s.

It always kind of annoyed me that they even called them cadians instead of just imperial guard and took forever to get plastic models out esspecially after they did plastic catachans.

I think it would have been an interesting development if GW had kept Cadians as the "generic sci-fi trooper dudes", to be deployed in warzones everywhere - and also produced another regiment, whose character trait would have been the "keep calm and stand your ground against the armies of darkness" theme that the Gate of Cadia has - or rather, had - in the fluff.
Incidentally, I do think that Cadia is drawing some inspirations from WW2 Britain in that regard - what with being that little island right next to an enemy-occupied continent and all - so I could imagine this hypothetical regiment having a heavy "Tommy" aesthetic, Brodie helmets and all.
It always struck me as odd that Cadia needs every man, woman and child in the sector to be enrolled in the military in order to keep the forces of Chaos at bay, but somehow also has enough manpower to spare to be the "mainstream" Imperial Guard throughout the galaxy, so separating one role from the other would have been fitting.

[Herador]

As said the Cadian models were always supposed to be the generic guard and were a more 90s/00s looking evolution of the rogue trader guard which was very 70s/80s.

It always kind of annoyed me that they even called them cadians instead of just imperial guard and took forever to get plastic models out esspecially after they did plastic catachans.

I think it would have been an interesting development if GW had kept Cadians as the "generic sci-fi trooper dudes", to be deployed in warzones everywhere - and also produced another regiment, whose character trait would have been the "keep calm and stand your ground against the armies of darkness" theme that the Gate of Cadia has - or rather, had - in the fluff.
Incidentally, I do think that Cadia is drawing some inspirations from WW2 Britain in that regard - what with being that little island right next to an enemy-occupied continent and all - so I could imagine this hypothetical regiment having a heavy "Tommy" aesthetic, Brodie helmets and all.

It would'a been something, at least.

[Morrdh]

As said the Cadian models were always supposed to be the generic guard and were a more 90s/00s looking evolution of the rogue trader guard which was very 70s/80s.

It always kind of annoyed me that they even called them cadians instead of just imperial guard and took forever to get plastic models out esspecially after they did plastic catachans.

I think it would have been an interesting development if GW had kept Cadians as the "generic sci-fi trooper dudes", to be deployed in warzones everywhere - and also produced another regiment, whose character trait would have been the "keep calm and stand your ground against the armies of darkness" theme that the Gate of Cadia has - or rather, had - in the fluff.
Incidentally, I do think that Cadia is drawing some inspirations from WW2 Britain in that regard - what with being that little island right next to an enemy-occupied continent and all - so I could imagine this hypothetical regiment having a heavy "Tommy" aesthetic, Brodie helmets and all.
It always struck me as odd that Cadia needs every man, woman and child in the sector to be enrolled in the military in order to keep the forces of Chaos at bay, but somehow also has enough manpower to spare to be the "mainstream" Imperial Guard throughout the galaxy, so separating one role from the other would have been fitting.

Seen people use the gas mask Brodie helmet heads from Westwind Productions with the plastic Cadians, TBH I'd rather just Westwind's Brits since they're heck of alot cheaper than the Cadians.

[Baltenstein]

I think it would have been an interesting development if GW had kept Cadians as the "generic sci-fi trooper dudes", to be deployed in warzones everywhere - and also produced another regiment, whose character trait would have been the "keep calm and stand your ground against the armies of darkness" theme that the Gate of Cadia has - or rather, had - in the fluff.
Incidentally, I do think that Cadia is drawing some inspirations from WW2 Britain in that regard - what with being that little island right next to an enemy-occupied continent and all - so I could imagine this hypothetical regiment having a heavy "Tommy" aesthetic, Brodie helmets and all.
It always struck me as odd that Cadia needs every man, woman and child in the sector to be enrolled in the military in order to keep the forces of Chaos at bay, but somehow also has enough manpower to spare to be the "mainstream" Imperial Guard throughout the galaxy, so separating one role from the other would have been fitting.

Seen people use the gas mask Brodie helmet heads from Westwind Productions with the plastic Cadians, TBH I'd rather just Westwind's Brits since they're heck of alot cheaper than the Cadians.

Alternatively you could use Bolt Action Plastic Brits who cost like 1/3 or so compared to GW Cadians, and give them Lasguns. It's an idea I also toyed with - using WW2 Brits with Cadian Regimental Doctrines - before I settled for Victorian Brit Praetorians.

[Hurdergaryp]

Seen people use the gas mask Brodie helmet heads from Westwind Productions with the plastic Cadians, TBH I'd rather just Westwind's Brits since they're heck of alot cheaper than the Cadians.

Alternatively you could use Bolt Action Plastic Brits who cost like 1/3 or so compared to GW Cadians, and give them Lasguns. It's an idea I also toyed with - using WW2 Brits with Cadian Regimental Doctrines - before I settled for Victorian Brit Praetorians.

And if you want to keep it more basic, em4 miniatures got you covered.

[Herador]

Alternatively you could use Bolt Action Plastic Brits who cost like 1/3 or so compared to GW Cadians, and give them Lasguns. It's an idea I also toyed with - using WW2 Brits with Cadian Regimental Doctrines - before I settled for Victorian Brit Praetorians.

And if you want to keep it more basic, em4 miniatures got you covered.

Even those are pretty cool.

[Jetan]

So, that latest FAQ killed the Ynnari in their cradle. Sucks ass, that does.

Anyhow, anyone else starting Necromunda? I've been painting old Eschers for the last few days.

[Hurdergaryp]

And if you want to keep it more basic, em4 miniatures got you covered.

Even those are pretty cool.

And dirt cheap, too.

[Ameriganastan]

Even those are pretty cool.

And dirt cheap, too.

Cheap is the way to go with this game.

[Hurdergaryp]

And dirt cheap, too.

Cheap is the way to go with this game.

Pretty sure that is not Games Workshop's official stance, even though their stuff seems to be more affordable these days.

[Herador]

Even those are pretty cool.

And dirt cheap, too.

It's how I used to go with my Marines too, using off-brand close-enough models. I couldn't get into a tournament, but then again why would I ever want to?

[Socialist Czechia]

So, that latest FAQ killed the Ynnari in their cradle. Sucks ass, that does.

Anyhow, anyone else starting Necromunda? I've been painting old Eschers for the last few days.

as long as they don't kill Guilliman's eldar waifu.

[Jetan]

So, that latest FAQ killed the Ynnari in their cradle. Sucks ass, that does.

Anyhow, anyone else starting Necromunda? I've been painting old Eschers for the last few days.

as long as they don't kill Guilliman's eldar waifu.

Might as well have. Rules wise, she's now tax you have to take in order to make your troops worse than they would be if you didn't.

[Baltenstein]

So, that latest FAQ killed the Ynnari in their cradle. Sucks ass, that does.

Anyhow, anyone else starting Necromunda? I've been painting old Eschers for the last few days.

I'm only interested in possible new Arbites models, which I plan to use as Inquisition Acolytes.

[Jetan]

So, that latest FAQ killed the Ynnari in their cradle. Sucks ass, that does.

Anyhow, anyone else starting Necromunda? I've been painting old Eschers for the last few days.

I'm only interested in possible new Arbites models, which I plan to use as Inquisition Acolytes.

Arbites are coming for sure, likely in 2019.

[Morrdh]

So, that latest FAQ killed the Ynnari in their cradle. Sucks ass, that does.

Anyhow, anyone else starting Necromunda? I've been painting old Eschers for the last few days.

I'm only interested in possible new Arbites models, which I plan to use as Inquisition Acolytes.

The new Orlocks look interesting.

Curious whether they'll be doing the Ash Waste Nomads.

[South Sutalia]

So, that latest FAQ killed the Ynnari in their cradle. Sucks ass, that does.

Anyhow, anyone else starting Necromunda? I've been painting old Eschers for the last few days.

as long as they don't kill Guilliman's eldar waifu.

That gives all the more motivation to do so.

[South Sutalia]

[Hurdergaryp]

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Your picture ain't working at all. Are you trying to share an image from a group chat? If so, I don't think that is going to work.