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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Atlas Hugged
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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Would You Kindly?
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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: Recreational Nukes
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Libertarian Discussion Thread II: A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:37 am

The Establishment Clause doesn't say that religion should be disfavored at all, just one religion cannot be favored over another. Endorsing school choice wouldn't be the same as the government giving subsidies to Catholic Schools as it theoretically allows vouchers to be used for secular private or Jewish schools, hence it remains within constitutional limits.
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Elwher
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Postby Elwher » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:53 pm

If the government is going to support schools (which I am not sure that I necessarily support) then the recipients of said support should have the right to decide what school is going to get that support. The government is not supporting the religious school, be it Catholic, Jewish, Moslem, Pastafarian or whatever. The government is supporting schools and the parents are deciding what school gets the support.
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Postby Nordengrund » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:18 pm

NOW, how do you feel about net neutrality and the FCC trying to end it?
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:20 pm

Nordengrund wrote:NOW, how do you feel about net neutrality and the FCC trying to end it?

I'm neutral, though I could care less in general. Those who support net neutrality don't have any evidence that the system would crumble immediately.
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Postby Albrenia » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:23 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:NOW, how do you feel about net neutrality and the FCC trying to end it?

I'm neutral, though I could care less in general. Those who support net neutrality don't have any evidence that the system would crumble immediately.


That means you do care, at least a little. :p

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:25 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:I'm neutral, though I could care less in general. Those who support net neutrality don't have any evidence that the system would crumble immediately.


That means you do care, at least a little. :p

Couldn't help it, Weird Al song lyrics be in my head.

Ah, I see that you are a man of culture as well.
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Postby Macaire » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:38 pm

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Postby Telconi » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:45 pm

Nordengrund wrote:NOW, how do you feel about net neutrality and the FCC trying to end it?


It's a pain in the ass to me directly, so I want it gone, or at least fixed.
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:47 am

Telconi wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:NOW, how do you feel about net neutrality and the FCC trying to end it?


It's a pain in the ass to me directly, so I want it gone, or at least fixed.


Net neutrality or the FCC?
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu Nov 23, 2017 8:12 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Telconi wrote:
It's a pain in the ass to me directly, so I want it gone, or at least fixed.


Net neutrality or the FCC?


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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:27 pm

net neutrality is progressive since on average FUCKING TRUMP VOTERS HRRRRGH are more indigent than slay queen h-rod's, thus FUCKING COMCAST HRRRRGH will keep more of them out of the internet
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:28 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:net neutrality is progressive since on average FUCKING TRUMP VOTERS HRRRRGH are more indigent than slay queen h-rod's, thus FUCKING COMCAST HRRRRGH will keep more of them out of the internet

Your rage is palpable.
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Postby Darussalam » Thu Nov 23, 2017 6:44 pm

I'm a Reason good boi so my stance on net neutrality is obvious

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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:46 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Net neutrality or the FCC?


Image


This guy has it right.
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-Environmental Protections
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-Government Overreach
-Government Surveillance
-Freedom For Security Social Transactions
-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:34 pm

"Why not both?"
Maybe because if FCC wins, internet might (and probably will) end up turning into a monopoly? You really think there's going to be an opening for smaller companies when the bigger ones already control everyone's internet? (I mean, if it does end up winning)

Nope. in this case, it's pretty simple. Net Neutrality needs to win.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:07 am

monopolies are boogeymen tbh
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:09 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:"Why not both?"
Maybe because if FCC wins, internet might (and probably will) end up turning into a monopoly? You really think there's going to be an opening for smaller companies when the bigger ones already control everyone's internet? (I mean, if it does end up winning)

Nope. in this case, it's pretty simple. Net Neutrality needs to win.


Net neutrality by definition turns the internet into a monopoly. When entities such as Netflix advocate for net neutrality, they do so so they don't get crushed by the ISPs, despite the ISPs being put under load when Netflix is used. Net neutrality is painted as being "pro-consumer" but all I see is killing choice and helping corporations destroy their competition. If there was any chance to see a free market here, than NN kills it entirely, instead of reforming it.

If the FCC wins then the government gets more total control over the internet. Head of the fucking FFC even said that's his intent, to censor the internet. Look it up.
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Norightonia
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Postby Norightonia » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:24 pm

How do I seduce a libertarian?

Besides whispering in their ear that taxation is theft, I mean.
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Taihei Tengoku
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:26 pm

Norightonia wrote:How do I seduce a libertarian?

be a woman
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:27 pm

Norightonia wrote:How do I seduce a libertarian?

Besides whispering in their ear that taxation is theft, I mean.


That'll usually work instantly.

If it doesn't, break out Bastiat's The Law and begin quoting random paragraphs.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:32 pm

Norightonia wrote:How do I seduce a libertarian?

"You Randy baby?"
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:39 pm

Norightonia wrote:How do I seduce a libertarian?

Be a child

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Postby Albrenia » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:40 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Norightonia wrote:How do I seduce a libertarian?

Be a child


shots fired

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Norightonia
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Postby Norightonia » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:41 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Norightonia wrote:How do I seduce a libertarian?

Be a child



I'm 12 does that work?

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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:42 pm

Norightonia wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Be a child



I'm 12 does that work?

oh, absolutely

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