by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:55 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:57 pm
by Destructive Government Economic System » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:59 pm
Keshiland literally wrote:I would give it a no. A country that lies about how free, or how great, or how humanitarian it is can never be developed. Example, NK lies and says they are democratic and are not, the US lies and says we are free yet we incarcerate millions for a medical plant. See we are basically a larger more populated North Korea.
by Toronina » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:59 pm
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:00 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:If it meant compromising my religion, no. Christ is worth dying for.
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:02 pm
Toronina wrote:My opinion is live to fight another day. I'm some random person, I'm not going to help bring about a communist state if I'm dead. Just tell them what they want, find a way to leave if possible.
by Gaozu » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:02 pm
Toronina wrote:My opinion is live to fight another day. I'm some random person, I'm not going to help bring about a communist state if I'm dead. Just tell them what they want, find a way to leave if possible.
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:07 pm
Gaozu wrote:Depending on the circumstances I would externally to a point, but I'd work my hardest to plan an escape or to establish connections with others in the same boat at the same time if possible.
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:08 pm
Klorgia1 wrote:If you can't have your opinion, you can't have your life. If friends and Family which depended on me where there, I'd stay around for a while. But if not, than death for me.
by UKCS » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:11 pm
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:12 pm
UKCS wrote:Wouldn't anybody? We can all profess to be that "noble" or "courageous", or whichever word shall be used in this, but at the end of the day we're all the same, and basic self-preservation instincts will kick in.
by Gaozu » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:14 pm
Yagon wrote:snip!
by UKCS » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:14 pm
Yagon wrote:UKCS wrote:Wouldn't anybody? We can all profess to be that "noble" or "courageous", or whichever word shall be used in this, but at the end of the day we're all the same, and basic self-preservation instincts will kick in.
I have to admit for myself if it were necessary to not die, I think I would throw in with the local tribe.
by House of Judah » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:15 pm
by Dumb Ideologies » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:16 pm
by Principality of the Raix » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:20 pm
Yagon wrote:Suppose you lived in some ancient land that had dominated by a powerful empire. The empire is in its dissolution cycle and is beginning to come apart, likely with some conflict and disruptive changes in trade, infrastructure, etc. It will be a difficult period, and the unifying/stabilizing effects of the empire will be suddenly withdrawn.
Suppose you are not in a position to leave, and at the time of the disruption you are living in an area where the dominant majority (lets say 80%) are racially/culturally/religiously unified but in a way that contrasts sharply with your personal ideology.
For the sake of argument, suppose that your chances of survival are best served by having strong ties to the local populace, who are of a particularly tribal mentality. Your physical appearance and mannerisms mark you as somewhat of an outsider, but are sufficiently "passable" to the locals that if you practice their religion and broadcast an alignment with their ideology, you are likely to be "accepted" as one of their tribe, increasing your likelihood to survive, although you would have to at least outwardly and in practice embrace ideologies you find odious.
(For the purposes of the exercise, imagine not joining the local "tribe" substantially reduces your chances of survival to almost nil.)
Would you join them?
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:20 pm
Gaozu wrote:Yagon wrote:snip!
2 - If it were me and one other person, either try to escape or just become very close to them, we'd try and help each other survive I guess.
5 - If it were 5 of us, smaller chance of helping each other survive and a bigger chance of trying to escape I think.
12 - same as the five but we'd set our priorities on getting out of there!
200 - that's different. Maybe split into cells, try and spread dissent subtly while getting those who want out out.
800 - Maybe try to arm ourselves, plan, become politically involved in terms of trying to set in motion widespread opposition to the regime. Maybe try and establish a sympathetic response to our cause among some of the more liberal-minded members of the majority group. See how it goes.
Of course, I'm just totally guessing!
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:21 pm
House of Judah wrote:If adopting the local culture/ideology does not involve harming others (e.g. human sacrifice, turning over daughters who are still children to be married to a revered 'elder') then sure. The stance of Judaism is that to save ones life, one can do just about anything as long as it does not harm another, and to save the life of another gets the same exemption.
by Gaozu » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:23 pm
Yagon wrote:Would you agree?
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:23 pm
Principality of the Raix wrote:While I have not been in a situation like this, exception within the social pecking order as some would claim it. I would take my chances with the nil, even though I hate the 0% of survival. I can not, or rather could not or would not compromise my belief for another that I deem odious. The fact is, the more you tend to practice a religion, even if you do not believe in it. The more it affects the persons own belief system and causes a vast confusion within them. Course that is assuming that their belief, differs greatly from mine. Seeing as for argument sake, they do even though it is not determined on just how much. I could not compromise my belief, just for survival.
by Yagon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:27 pm
Gaozu wrote:Yagon wrote:Would you agree?
No, I'd probably try to join forces with the group of 300 and see if there's any others too. They're obviously tyrannical and can't be trusted as any sort of reasonable government, and if they're willing to negotiate even a bit it means we have some leverage already.
by Principality of the Raix » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:28 pm
Yagon wrote:Principality of the Raix wrote:While I have not been in a situation like this, exception within the social pecking order as some would claim it. I would take my chances with the nil, even though I hate the 0% of survival. I can not, or rather could not or would not compromise my belief for another that I deem odious. The fact is, the more you tend to practice a religion, even if you do not believe in it. The more it affects the persons own belief system and causes a vast confusion within them. Course that is assuming that their belief, differs greatly from mine. Seeing as for argument sake, they do even though it is not determined on just how much. I could not compromise my belief, just for survival.
That's an interesting aspect, would joining the local tribe over time be more than just external behavior to fit in, would it habitually influence your own outlook? I suppose it would, especially over time.
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