The Grey Wardens: Warden-Lieutenant Eshialand

by **United States of Vietnam** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:39 am

Stratagem wrote:Pleasee help the region of Boston has been invaded by a large force and we are unable to defend ourselves.

I am a long time lurker but never post before to interrupt a conversation but please help us!

Sorry, but their military will withdraw soon and they won't attempt to destroy your region, so any liberation attempt is highly unlikely.

by **Tim-Opolis** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:35 am

Stratagem wrote:Pleasee help the region of Boston has been invaded by a large force and we are unable to defend ourselves.

I am a long time lurker but never post before to interrupt a conversation but please help us!

We saw it, yeah. We'll see what we can do for the weekend. It's a sizable pile, so it depends on what numbers we can whip and who's busy, out of town, etc.

Vietnam's not wrong though, TNP and Europeia won't damage anything and will leave within a few days.

by **The New England Revs** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:46 am

That is what we are being told by the attacking delegate as well in which case we may just have to ride it out. If that is your advice as well I will tell Gemma to chill out.

by **Tim-Opolis** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:56 am

The New England Revs wrote:That is what we are being told by the attacking delegate as well in which case we may just have to ride it out. If that is your advice as well I will tell Gemma to chill out.

Yeah, it's definitely important to keep calm in terms of what you do and to avoid straying into rule-breaking territory. While these folks aren't likely to do so, some raiders specifically try to get a reaction out of natives that could lead to them being deleted, so it's just good to organize as much calm restraint as possible. Have as many natives as possible WA up, all endorse each other to ensure you're harder to kick should the raiders choose to do so, and just try to keep your normal conversations going while ignoring the raiders.

Lots of raiders get amusement from distraught natives, don't give 'em the satisfaction.

by **La Navasse** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:09 pm

The New England Revs wrote:That is what we are being told by the attacking delegate as well in which case we may just have to ride it out. If that is your advice as well I will tell Gemma to chill out.

I would advise you not to trust just anyone you seek. Credibility does not coincide with popularity, and you're a lot better off seeking an Independent region - TGW tends to be unpopular in many respects.

by **Tim-Opolis** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:42 pm

La Navasse wrote:
The New England Revs wrote:That is what we are being told by the attacking delegate as well in which case we may just have to ride it out. If that is your advice as well I will tell Gemma to chill out.

I would advise you not to trust just anyone you seek. Credibility does not coincide with popularity, and you're a lot better off seeking an Independent region - TGW tends to be unpopular in many respects.

I'd advise you to disregard La Navasse. He has a history of erratic GP behavior, collaboration with Nazis, hiding behind puppets, and a faux-intellectual manner of writing long posts.

by **La Navasse** » Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:58 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
La Navasse wrote:I would advise you not to trust just anyone you seek. Credibility does not coincide with popularity, and you're a lot better off seeking an Independent region - TGW tends to be unpopular in many respects.

I'd advise you to disregard La Navasse. He has a history of erratic GP behavior, collaboration with Nazis, hiding behind puppets, and a faux-intellectual manner of writing long posts.

This is at best biased commentary and at worst a blatant, full-out insult.

In addition, in what way are my long posts faux-intellectual? I'm assuming this is just more general dislike due to your second point, which I'll admit was done in my early NationStates career.

EDIT: Then again, this is simply an effort to keep the image of TGW afloat, much like many failed customer service interactions and airlines.

by **Altmoras** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:05 am

La Navasse wrote:
The New England Revs wrote:That is what we are being told by the attacking delegate as well in which case we may just have to ride it out. If that is your advice as well I will tell Gemma to chill out.

I would advise you not to trust just anyone you seek. Credibility does not coincide with popularity, and you're a lot better off seeking an Independent region - TGW tends to be unpopular in many respects.

lol read the WFE the indies are the ones raiding it.

by **La Navasse** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:13 am

Altmoras wrote:
La Navasse wrote:I would advise you not to trust just anyone you seek. Credibility does not coincide with popularity, and you're a lot better off seeking an Independent region - TGW tends to be unpopular in many respects.

lol read the WFE the indies are the ones raiding it.

Some other independent region or active unaffiliated regional military then. I'm not exactly writing the Guide to Liberation here.

by **Altmoras** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:16 am

La Navasse wrote:
Altmoras wrote:
lol read the WFE the indies are the ones raiding it.

Some other independent region or active unaffiliated regional military then. I'm not exactly writing the Guide to Liberation here.

aww man I thought you knew it all?

by **La Navasse** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:19 am

Altmoras wrote:
La Navasse wrote:Some other independent region or active unaffiliated regional military then. I'm not exactly writing the Guide to Liberation here.

aww man I thought you knew it all?

Ignorance is bliss.

by **Consular** » Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:21 am

La Navasse wrote:
Altmoras wrote:
aww man I thought you knew it all?

Ignorance is bliss.

Ignorance is frustrating.

Don't give bad advice. Independents are not going to help these people.

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 4:56 pm

Interesting to see the Wardens (and TITO, for that matter) defend The Genesis Corporation. The only thing that region is really known for is invading the RP region Haven years ago. I'm surprised you weren't more interested in invading it than defending it.

by **Ikania** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:30 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Interesting to see the Wardens (and TITO, for that matter) defend The Genesis Corporation. The only thing that region is really known for is invading the RP region Haven years ago. I'm surprised you weren't more interested in invading it than defending it.

Newsflash, defenders defend.

by **Blight-Bane** » Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:21 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:I'm not sure who's in TNP besides long-retired COE, and if you knew me, you'd know I do nothing but bitch about how many Hawks Osiris has swallowed and never spit out again.

Well, Gladio has been MoD for most of my four years in TNP.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:If we were really so interested in pushing around in GCR's, seems like we would have been side-pickier when Osiris and Lazarus both underwent internal issues. As I recall it, more of our members who were also in Lazarus were against the new regime than for it.

I doubt you'd be that obvious about whatever influence you enjoy in any given region.

by **Pollaetorian** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:41 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Interesting to see the Wardens (and TITO, for that matter) defend The Genesis Corporation. The only thing that region is really known for is invading the RP region Haven years ago. I'm surprised you weren't more interested in invading it than defending it.

TGC was one of the earliest examples of a UCR rising overnight with hundreds of nations and many endos. This was pre-stamp/api/ days, so they either had a very sophisticated manual recruitment system or like many suspected they were running a auto-recruitment script at a time when all automated TG sending was illegal. (Or was it that they were running a recruitment script that was sending much faster than the rate limit, when the rate limit was super low)

Reference: Old scipt/ auto TG rules. viewtopic.php?p=810681&sid=975ea7fe0d32ff2b08443bd6a6630e6e#p810681

If it was Swarmlandia himself, I also think being the only person to pull off a self-condemnation was pretty notable. He used a puppet to condemn this main with some generic accusations, but being the early days of the SC it got passed.

by **Cresenthia** » Sun Oct 22, 2017 1:43 pm

Ikania wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Interesting to see the Wardens (and TITO, for that matter) defend The Genesis Corporation. The only thing that region is really known for is invading the RP region Haven years ago. I'm surprised you weren't more interested in invading it than defending it.

Newsflash, defenders defend.

That is some genuine news.

by **Tim-Opolis** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:03 pm

Cresenthia wrote:
Ikania wrote:Newsflash, defenders defend.

That is some genuine news.

I dunno, I hear TGW sneaks into raider houses at night and steals all their bread.

by **Captain Albert Alexander Hamilton** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:55 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Cresenthia wrote:That is some genuine news.

I dunno, I hear TGW sneaks into raider houses at night and steals all their bread.

Is this why I don't have any bread?

by **Tim-Opolis** » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:03 pm

Captain Albert Alexander Hamilton wrote:
Tim-Opolis wrote:I dunno, I hear TGW sneaks into raider houses at night and steals all their bread.

Is this why I don't have any bread?

Yes, the bread has been redistributed to parties which deserve to eat.

by **Tim-Opolis** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:20 am

You ever been so bored you become a stock photo model? We have

It was bright and early at minor update when The Grey Wardens and pals strolled into Libcord ready to have some fun. Actually, we were going to go tag Alpha Wolf's region but he moved back in right at the start of minor update so his delegacy went non-executive again. Real buzzkill that, but we persevered and decided that there was probably going to be update stuff to do. Fortunately, The Roman Empire was awake! However, looking back on it, it seems that they're only willing to go on tag runs when there's no opposition due to how they get their booty handed to them. In what might be a new record, The Roman Empire gave up only seven minutes into update. This is why The Roman Empire get such a small allowance among our children. We're not mad, kiddo, we're just disappointed. You know when your kid tells you how they're really good at science, but then come home with a D on a Science Quiz? It's kinda like that, but in an online game instead.

Fortunately, there's plenty of graffiti staining the formerly-pristine walls of Nationstates. Therefore, after an initial hiccup or two, TGW and Friends got to detagging the shit out of those walls. So, with about ~25 minutes left in update, the team got together and decided that we're gonna continue demonstrating that we're better than raiders at what's basically their main operation style these days. Hitting up a bunch of regions on tight triggers, the lads picked up twenty-four detags and one tag in the span of roughly twenty-five minutes. Had we not had a few misses, that tally would be even better, but what can ya do. We also liberated something, but it was against some noobs so it's not really relevant to mention any further.

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by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:41 am

Everyone is so terribly sorry that update went from 100 minutes to 60 without any forenotice and fucked everyone’s triggers past the point of adjustability. We’ll all work on our technopsychic abilities in order to predict this in the future, promise. Please put the hose away, papa. Papa? PAPA!

(Yes, those times are for the major, but the last-to-present minor is also fucky

)

by **Tim-Opolis** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:11 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Everyone is so terribly sorry that update went from 100 minutes to 60 without any forenotice and fucked everyone’s triggers past the point of adjustability. We’ll all work on our technopsychic abilities in order to predict this in the future, promise. Please put the hose away, papa. Papa? PAPA!

(Yes, those times are for the major, but the last-to-present minor is also fucky )

Both yesterday's minor update and today's were ~45 minutes, and TRE's triggers were about as accurate as usual, so I imagine they calibrated for this one based on the last one. I don't particularly see, given that, how triggering would be at fault for them giving up so early in the update today. If they did indeed give up due to that, it's their own fault for not basing their sheet off of yesterday's established rate and seeing how that would go.

Major Update definitely did finally go back to normal last night for the first time, so I can definitely see how awful misses last night would be excusable. I'm curious though, in what way does it actually affect something like that? Since the "Last WA Update" feature was instituted, we don't really have to set trigger nations anymore due to our ability to look at the region. Wouldn't it just be a matter of re-calibrating your sheet to a 60 minute update rather than the prior 90-100 awfulness?

by **Ever-Wandering Souls** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:30 pm

Minors still differed about 10 minutes at the halfway point between yesterday and today, last I sampled. The speed has been weird too, I.e. last major looked like it was going to be done about 50 mins in at the halfway point, then really slowed down towards the end to finish at the hour mark. Difficult varience to handle.

What you’re triggering off of doesn’t really matter if what you expect to be 6-8 seconds is 3-4 seconds, and so forth. Setting/watching wide allows you to tighten up for slow update/varience and loosen for a fast one, but if you’re setting at 6-8 and expect to still be able to copy and send go no closer than 4-5 even given a speed up, then you just don’t have the capacity to work much with it when 8 ends up being 3. Early major was running about 50% faster on average, with variance up or down, and then only slowed down a bit at the end. Triggers were effectively being 2-4 seconds, and going off at four with a relatively young trigger and mostly younger junkets is hard...2 is about impossible. Doesn’t really matter what you’re calling off of, other than I suppose that it’s less work to try and adjust your reference point to an earlier region if you’re not actually moving any nations (nations are still useful due to fast load times on the RSS feed compared to watching last update). But, moving all your triggers mid-update is a royal pain, especially if your planned jumps are also now too close together and you have to skip some too...overall, can be less stressful to say “eh come back tomorrow.”

Tl;dr adjustability for timing changes is built in, but not enough to deal with a nearly double speed update.

by **Tim-Opolis** » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:38 pm

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Minors still differed about 10 minutes at the halfway point between yesterday and today, last I sampled. The speed has been weird too, I.e. last major looked like it was going to be done about 50 mins in at the halfway point, then really slowed down towards the end to finish at the hour mark. Difficult varience to handle.

What you’re triggering off of doesn’t really matter if what you expect to be 6-8 seconds is 3-4 seconds, and so forth. Setting/watching wide allows you to tighten up for slow update/varience and loosen for a fast one, but if you’re setting at 6-8 and expect to still be able to copy and send go no closer than 4-5 even given a speed up, then you just don’t have the capacity to work much with it when 8 ends up being 3. Early major was running about 50% faster on average, with variance up or down, and then only slowed down a bit at the end. Triggers were effectively being 2-4 seconds, and going off at four with a relatively young trigger and mostly younger junkets is hard...2 is about impossible. Doesn’t really matter what you’re calling off of, other than I suppose that it’s less work to try and adjust your reference point to an earlier region if you’re not actually moving any nations (nations are still useful due to fast load times on the RSS feed compared to watching last update). But, moving all your triggers mid-update is a royal pain, especially if your planned jumps are also now too close together and you have to skip some too...overall, can be less stressful to say “eh come back tomorrow.”

Tl;dr adjustability for timing changes is built in, but not enough to deal with a nearly double speed update.

Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation!

Minor seemed fine to me today as compared to yesterday's, but Major was definitely wonky regarding what you're describing in terms of fluctuating variance.

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