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by Gig em Aggies » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:31 am
by Germanic Templars » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:33 am
Euslavia wrote:What about completely banning civilian ownership of any firearms altogether? The only persons permitted to carry firearms would be active duty military and police forces. If you’re not on active duty in the police or the military, you will arrested simply for possession of a firearm. All civilian firearms would be confiscated. Those that don’t comply face arrest. Sure, such plans go against all American ideas (2nd Amendment), but these plans are the only solution that works. Rights should not stand in the way of goals (ends>means).
by Grinning Dragon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:35 am
Euslavia wrote:What about completely banning civilian ownership of any firearms altogether? The only persons permitted to carry firearms would be active duty military and police forces. If you’re not on active duty in the police or the military, you will arrested simply for possession of a firearm. All civilian firearms would be confiscated. Those that don’t comply face arrest. Sure, such plans go against all American ideas (2nd Amendment), but these plans are the only solution that works. Rights should not stand in the way of goals (ends>means).
by Euslavia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:35 am
by The of Japan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:37 am
Euslavia wrote:Len Hyet wrote:That just sounds like communism with more steps.
Anyway, doesn't matter, not the topic.
I won’t deviate any further, and will refer you to this thread to better explain my position: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=427693&start=600
Back to the subject of firearm control. I do believe however, that if one rejects central authority (as the Americans seem keen to do), leaving society as a mass of self-serving individuals, then everyone should own firearms, because no organ of state authority is going to adequately protect the citizenry in such an arrangement. However, if one acknowledges the primacy of state/central authority, there should be no reason for civilians to compete with the enforcement of state authority. This competition is simply a breeding ground for civil unrest and possible (albeit unsuccessful) uprisings if citizens feel 'unhappy’ with the state for whatever reason.
by Grinning Dragon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:38 am
The of Japan wrote:Euslavia wrote:
I won’t deviate any further, and will refer you to this thread to better explain my position: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=427693&start=600
Back to the subject of firearm control. I do believe however, that if one rejects central authority (as the Americans seem keen to do), leaving society as a mass of self-serving individuals, then everyone should own firearms, because no organ of state authority is going to adequately protect the citizenry in such an arrangement. However, if one acknowledges the primacy of state/central authority, there should be no reason for civilians to compete with the enforcement of state authority. This competition is simply a breeding ground for civil unrest and possible (albeit unsuccessful) uprisings if citizens feel 'unhappy’ with the state for whatever reason.
Good luck trying to confiscate 300 million plus guns
by Germanic Templars » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:38 am
Euslavia wrote:Len Hyet wrote:That just sounds like communism with more steps.
Anyway, doesn't matter, not the topic.
I won’t deviate any further, and will refer you to this thread to better explain my position: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=427693&start=600
Back to the subject of firearm control. I do believe however, that if one rejects central authority (as the Americans seem keen to do), leaving society as a mass of self-serving individuals, then everyone should own firearms, because no organ of state authority is going to adequately protect the citizenry in such an arrangement. However, if one acknowledges the primacy of state/central authority, there should be no reason for civilians to compete with the enforcement of state authority. This competition is simply a breeding ground for civil unrest and possible (albeit unsuccessful) uprisings if citizens feel 'unhappy’ with the state for whatever reason.
by Wysten » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:39 am
Euslavia wrote:Len Hyet wrote:That just sounds like communism with more steps.
Anyway, doesn't matter, not the topic.
I won’t deviate any further, and will refer you to this thread to better explain my position: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=427693&start=600
Back to the subject of firearm control. I do believe however, that if one rejects central authority (as the Americans seem keen to do), leaving society as a mass of self-serving individuals, then everyone should own firearms, because no organ of state authority is going to adequately protect the citizenry in such an arrangement. However, if one acknowledges the primacy of state/central authority, there should be no reason for civilians to compete with the enforcement of state authority. This competition is simply a breeding ground for civil unrest and possible (albeit unsuccessful) uprisings if citizens feel 'unhappy’ with the state for whatever reason.
by Valgora » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:41 am
Euslavia wrote:Len Hyet wrote:That just sounds like communism with more steps.
Anyway, doesn't matter, not the topic.
I won’t deviate any further, and will refer you to this thread to better explain my position: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=427693&start=600
Back to the subject of firearm control. I do believe however, that if one rejects central authority (as the Americans seem keen to do), leaving society as a mass of self-serving individuals, then everyone should own firearms, because no organ of state authority is going to adequately protect the citizenry in such an arrangement. However, if one acknowledges the primacy of state/central authority, there should be no reason for civilians to compete with the enforcement of state authority. This competition is simply a breeding ground for civil unrest and possible (albeit unsuccessful) uprisings if citizens feel 'unhappy’ with the state for whatever reason.
MT+FanT+some PMT
Multi-species.
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by Valgora » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:44 am
MT+FanT+some PMT
Multi-species.
Current gov't:
Founded 2023
Currently 2027
by Euslavia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:56 am
Valgora wrote:Len Hyet wrote:That just sounds like communism with more steps.
Anyway, doesn't matter, not the topic.
Honestly, I don't think Vysovnism even exists.
Because if you Google it, the only thing that comes up are the threads that he's mentioned it on.
Literally, if you search Vysovnism, the only results are the LWDT and this topic.
by Gig em Aggies » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:58 am
Valgora wrote:Len Hyet wrote:That just sounds like communism with more steps.
Anyway, doesn't matter, not the topic.
Honestly, I don't think Vysovnism even exists.
Because if you Google it, the only thing that comes up are the threads that he's mentioned it on.
Literally, if you search Vysovnism, the only results are the LWDT and this topic.
by Wysten » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:58 am
Euslavia wrote:Valgora wrote:
Honestly, I don't think Vysovnism even exists.
Because if you Google it, the only thing that comes up are the threads that he's mentioned it on.
Literally, if you search Vysovnism, the only results are the LWDT and this topic.
It’s official membership is quite secretive and they refuse to post online about their activities (at least by name). But believe me, they’re real. One of my friends belongs to the ‚organisation’ and told me about/gave me non-digital copies of their work. Also, they are not an English-language based group, so if they were to have any internet existence, they would probably frequent non-English spheres.
by Gig em Aggies » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:00 am
Euslavia wrote:Valgora wrote:
Honestly, I don't think Vysovnism even exists.
Because if you Google it, the only thing that comes up are the threads that he's mentioned it on.
Literally, if you search Vysovnism, the only results are the LWDT and this topic.
It’s official membership is quite secretive and they refuse to post online about their activities (at least by name). But believe me, they’re real. One of my friends belongs to the ‚organisation’ and told me about/gave me non-digital copies of their work. Also, they are not an English-language based group, so if they were to have any internet existence, they would probably frequent non-English spheres.
by Thermodolia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:03 am
Euslavia wrote:What about completely banning civilian ownership of any firearms altogether?
The only persons permitted to carry firearms would be active duty military and police forces.
If you’re not on active duty in the police or the military, you will arrested simply for possession of a firearm.
All civilian firearms would be confiscated. Those that don’t comply face arrest.
Sure, such plans go against all American ideas (2nd Amendment),
but these plans are the only solution that works.
Rights should not stand in the way of goals (ends>means).
by Thermodolia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:04 am
by Grinning Dragon » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:06 am
Wysten wrote:Euslavia wrote:
It’s official membership is quite secretive and they refuse to post online about their activities (at least by name). But believe me, they’re real. One of my friends belongs to the ‚organisation’ and told me about/gave me non-digital copies of their work. Also, they are not an English-language based group, so if they were to have any internet existence, they would probably frequent non-English spheres.
Yeah reminds of me of my one friend who ate some mushrooms and told me he met a secret society.
by Thermodolia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:08 am
Euslavia wrote:Valgora wrote:
Honestly, I don't think Vysovnism even exists.
Because if you Google it, the only thing that comes up are the threads that he's mentioned it on.
Literally, if you search Vysovnism, the only results are the LWDT and this topic.
It’s official membership is quite secretive and they refuse to post online about their activities (at least by name). But believe me, they’re real. One of my friends belongs to the ‚organisation’ and told me about/gave me non-digital copies of their work. Also, they are not an English-language based group, so if they were to have any internet existence, they would probably frequent non-English spheres.
by Euslavia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:10 am
Germanic Templars wrote:Euslavia wrote:
I won’t deviate any further, and will refer you to this thread to better explain my position: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=427693&start=600
Back to the subject of firearm control. I do believe however, that if one rejects central authority (as the Americans seem keen to do), leaving society as a mass of self-serving individuals, then everyone should own firearms, because no organ of state authority is going to adequately protect the citizenry in such an arrangement. However, if one acknowledges the primacy of state/central authority, there should be no reason for civilians to compete with the enforcement of state authority. This competition is simply a breeding ground for civil unrest and possible (albeit unsuccessful) uprisings if citizens feel 'unhappy’ with the state for whatever reason.
Here is a quick, non-rhetorical, question, and you can answer this however you want.. Do you know what a gun is?
by Wysten » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:11 am
Euslavia wrote:Germanic Templars wrote:
Here is a quick, non-rhetorical, question, and you can answer this however you want.. Do you know what a gun is?
First, there are many types of guns (handguns-revolvers, semi-automatic handguns), carbines (shortened rifles), semi-automatic rifles, etc.). I could go on and on. I will point out that 'gun' is not really a good word, since 'gun', in the traditional sense referred to artillery pieces, not personal weapons.
I define a 'gun’ (although I hate using that inaccurate term) as any device that propels a projectile through a tube using accelerating gas (air, CO2, smoke from gunpowder, etc.), resulting in near-supersonic or higher speeds (245 metres per second). A firearm, specifically, is any of the above defined weapons that exploits the combustion of a solid (or liquid) chemical to achieve the accelerated gas. Moreover, the process is contained in a single object, the round, which contains the bullet (aerodynamic projectile), the casing housing the powder that is attached to the bullet, and the primer (spark generator). Most bullets (centerfire) have a specifically (centrally) located primer that must be struck to ignite the powder.
Anyway, enough technical talk. I hope that I have shown that I know what 'guns’ are (I have even regularly fired 5,5 mm rifles at one point in my life).
by Euslavia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:12 am
Gig em Aggies wrote:Euslavia wrote:
It’s official membership is quite secretive and they refuse to post online about their activities (at least by name). But believe me, they’re real. One of my friends belongs to the ‚organisation’ and told me about/gave me non-digital copies of their work. Also, they are not an English-language based group, so if they were to have any internet existence, they would probably frequent non-English spheres.
You know I can make up a fake group as well and say it's real by saying they don't post online at all. You know your ploy to sound smarter would work if the only google search didn't come back to your post and nothing else.
by Digital Planets » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:12 am
by Valgora » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:12 am
Wysten wrote:Euslavia wrote:
First, there are many types of guns (handguns-revolvers, semi-automatic handguns), carbines (shortened rifles), semi-automatic rifles, etc.). I could go on and on. I will point out that 'gun' is not really a good word, since 'gun', in the traditional sense referred to artillery pieces, not personal weapons.
I define a 'gun’ (although I hate using that inaccurate term) as any device that propels a projectile through a tube using accelerating gas (air, CO2, smoke from gunpowder, etc.), resulting in near-supersonic or higher speeds (245 metres per second). A firearm, specifically, is any of the above defined weapons that exploits the combustion of a solid (or liquid) chemical to achieve the accelerated gas. Moreover, the process is contained in a single object, the round, which contains the bullet (aerodynamic projectile), the casing housing the powder that is attached to the bullet, and the primer (spark generator). Most bullets (centerfire) have a specifically (centrally) located primer that must be struck to ignite the powder.
Anyway, enough technical talk. I hope that I have shown that I know what 'guns’ are (I have even regularly fired 5,5 mm rifles at one point in my life).
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Control V
MT+FanT+some PMT
Multi-species.
Current gov't:
Founded 2023
Currently 2027
by Euslavia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:13 am
Wysten wrote:Euslavia wrote:
First, there are many types of guns (handguns-revolvers, semi-automatic handguns), carbines (shortened rifles), semi-automatic rifles, etc.). I could go on and on. I will point out that 'gun' is not really a good word, since 'gun', in the traditional sense referred to artillery pieces, not personal weapons.
I define a 'gun’ (although I hate using that inaccurate term) as any device that propels a projectile through a tube using accelerating gas (air, CO2, smoke from gunpowder, etc.), resulting in near-supersonic or higher speeds (245 metres per second). A firearm, specifically, is any of the above defined weapons that exploits the combustion of a solid (or liquid) chemical to achieve the accelerated gas. Moreover, the process is contained in a single object, the round, which contains the bullet (aerodynamic projectile), the casing housing the powder that is attached to the bullet, and the primer (spark generator). Most bullets (centerfire) have a specifically (centrally) located primer that must be struck to ignite the powder.
Anyway, enough technical talk. I hope that I have shown that I know what 'guns’ are (I have even regularly fired 5,5 mm rifles at one point in my life).
Translation
Control C
Control V
by Len Hyet » Fri Nov 17, 2017 10:13 am
Euslavia wrote:Gig em Aggies wrote:You know I can make up a fake group as well and say it's real by saying they don't post online at all. You know your ploy to sound smarter would work if the only google search didn't come back to your post and nothing else.
I’m only something of a mouthpiece for my friend, who categorically refuses to use the internet for political purposes.
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