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by The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:57 pm
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:59 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:I find it strange how someone can extol individualism while condemning abortion. The right in America has been doing this since Buckley
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:00 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:01 pm
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:03 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Which makes no difference unless you refuse to believe the mother is one.
by War Gears » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:07 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:I find it strange how someone can extol individualism while condemning abortion. The right in America has been doing this since Buckley
by FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:08 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
In no particular order.44 Days by Michael Veitch
On Christian Teachings by Saint Augustine
The Culture of the Teutons by Vilhelm Grønbech
It's really small, but I only got back into reading recently. I'd also add the Bible, the New Testament specifically, since I'm reading through that.
St Augustine is really good. If you want a good Christian philosophical work, "Confessions" is a great one by him, readily available in English.
by War Gears » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:14 pm
by FelrikTheDeleted » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:20 pm
War Gears wrote:[...] It's a trend that has continued for some years and results in bizarre oxymoronic combinations (Christian Buddhism, atheist Buddhism, etc.) as well as reducing the profoundity of the religion to some feel good secular slogans. [...]
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:25 pm
War Gears wrote:To be honest, the humanism which has invaded Buddhist sects that came into contact with the West is rather disconcerting to me. It's a trend that has continued for some years and results in bizarre oxymoronic combinations (Christian Buddhism, atheist Buddhism, etc.) as well as reducing the profoundity of the religion to some feel good secular slogans. It seems to have infected everyone from Vajrayana to Theravada, the latter of all sects making the laughable claim that the Buddha was just a man and shouldn't be regarded as supernatural (which, if you're a non-believer, makes sense, not so much if you're the standard bearer of a 2,500 tradition).
by War Gears » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:28 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:War Gears wrote:To be honest, the humanism which has invaded Buddhist sects that came into contact with the West is rather disconcerting to me. It's a trend that has continued for some years and results in bizarre oxymoronic combinations (Christian Buddhism, atheist Buddhism, etc.) as well as reducing the profoundity of the religion to some feel good secular slogans. It seems to have infected everyone from Vajrayana to Theravada, the latter of all sects making the laughable claim that the Buddha was just a man and shouldn't be regarded as supernatural (which, if you're a non-believer, makes sense, not so much if you're the standard bearer of a 2,500 tradition).
The West will pick apart your religion until it is nothing but a series of commodified aspects applied piecemeal to whatever the fashion of the moment is.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:28 pm
War Gears wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:I find it strange how someone can extol individualism while condemning abortion. The right in America has been doing this since Buckley
Not really, if you consider the fetus to be an individual (or potential individual) who has a right to life like anyone else. Though I'm not as strongly pro-life as I used to be, mainly because I can see some benefit to abortion if it's done to accomplish what I consider my goals.
by War Gears » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:32 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:War Gears wrote:
Not really, if you consider the fetus to be an individual (or potential individual) who has a right to life like anyone else. Though I'm not as strongly pro-life as I used to be, mainly because I can see some benefit to abortion if it's done to accomplish what I consider my goals.
But right to life doesn't obligate the mother. And individualists believe the individual is autonomous and are not subject to any duties save those they clearly agree to prior.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:46 pm
War Gears wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:But right to life doesn't obligate the mother. And individualists believe the individual is autonomous and are not subject to any duties save those they clearly agree to prior.
No, individualism is centered around the moral worth of the individual, it doesn't mean that one should be able to kill another at their convenience. You're conflating Stirner with all individualism.
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:49 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:It's not killing a regular individual but rather one which draws and depends on the mother's body.
Striner is basically a fanatical individualist.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:50 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Which makes no difference unless you refuse to believe the mother is one.
>> women
>> individuals
Choose one.
There are some who are consistent insofar as in if one person became reliant on another through some fucked up accident using their body to keep themselves alive they wouldn't allow the mostly-healthy individual to detach the individual reliant on them.
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:52 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:I find it hard to believe individualist right wingers would object to such a detachment.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:53 pm
by Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:54 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:He believed in doing all for and according to Christ without any other consideration?
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:55 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:I find it hard to believe individualist right wingers would object to such a detachment.
It varies, tbh, at least when presented as a hypothetical. They're usually cognizant enough of the parallels to abortion that they adopt a logically consistent position but how sincere it is is debatable.
by The East Marches II » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:56 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Post your libraries, /pol/! I'll go firstHistory and Theology first:
>Fall of the Roman Empire, a New History of Rome and the Barbarians; Peter Heather
>Livy's History of Rome , books 1-5
>Twelve Caesar's, Suetonius
>Roman Lives, Plutarch
>Ammianus Marcellinus' history of the Late Roman Empire
>Orthodox Christianity, Volume I, History and Canonical Structure, Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev
>Two Thousand years of Coptic Christianity, Otto F.A. Meinardus
>History of the Catholic Church, From the Apostolic Age to the Third Millenium, James Hitchcock
>Major Problems in the History of Imperial Russia, collected by James Cracraft
>Russia: People and Empire, Geoffrey Hosking
>Emperor Qianlong, Son of Heaven, Man of the World; Mark C. Elliot
>Many Thousands Gone, Ira Berlin
>Orthodox Dogmatic Theology (it's not in the room, so I don't recall the author)
>On the Incarnation, Athanasius the Great
>On Marriage and Family Life, John Chrysostom
>The Enemy At His Pleasure, S. Ansky
>Nicholas and Alexandra, Robert Massie
>12 Years at the Russain Court, Pierre Guilliard
There's also a few Marxist books from back in my Leninist days:
>State and Revolution, Lenin
>Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism, Lenin
>Foundations of Leninism, Stalin
>Dialectical and Historical Materialism, Stalin
And some I intend to order
>Byzantine Army, 284-1081, Treadgold
>Warfare in Late Roman Europe, Elton
>Late Roman Empire, A.H.M. Jones
>Saddam Hussein, a Political Biography, Ephraim Karsh (I don't agree with the author ideologically)
>Debriefing the President: The Interrogation of Saddam Hussein, John Nixon
by War Gears » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:56 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:I find it hard to believe individualist right wingers would object to such a detachment.
It varies, tbh, at least when presented as a hypothetical. They're usually cognizant enough of the parallels to abortion that they adopt a logically consistent position but how sincere it is is debatable.
by The Parkus Empire » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:59 pm
by War Gears » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:07 pm
From a book in which a Buddhist chaplain describes the days of the Japanese put to death by the Americans[6] we see how these men died without conversions or repentance, in a perfect state of Buddhist grace; men who if they were not “war criminals” as the victors claimed, were as generals, officials and politicians certainly not delicate shy flowers of the field.
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