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If you could alter or overturn one of these treaties, which would it be?

1 - Treaty of Paris (1783)
26
5%
2 - Pact of Umar
9
2%
3 - Treaty of Versailles
365
65%
4 - The Peace of Westphalia
24
4%
5 - The Congress of Vienna (1814)
33
6%
6 - Treaty of Berlin (1868)
12
2%
7 - Treaty of Trianon
19
3%
8 - Treaty of San Francisco
13
2%
9 - Japan–Korea Treaty (1905)
37
7%
10 - Other (Please give your take in the comment section, only so many options can be added)
26
5%
 
Total votes : 564

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Nov 15, 2017 6:55 pm

I've officially joined the Temperance Movement and now consider myself apart of it. I've seen firsthand the evil of alcohol. I used to drink only on holidays but no more- now I banish all alcohol as one of the "filths of the Earth" along with Tobacco and Marijuana, among other potentially harmful substances that don't immediately come to mind.

My father has lived quite a sad and pathetic life too addicted to the damned stuff, he is in the process of dying soon should he continue- and all indications are that he will. No amount of effort can keep him from it.

I know full well that plenty of people can handle alcohol responsibly, but I've still come to the conclusion that the world is better off without it. If allowed a chance at wielding enough power, I will finish what Prohibition started.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:03 pm

Saiwania wrote:I've officially joined the Temperance Movement and now consider myself apart of it. I've seen firsthand the evil of alcohol. I used to drink only on holidays but no more- now I banish all alcohol as one of the "filths of the Earth" along with Tobacco and Marijuana, among other potentially harmful substances that don't immediately come to mind.

My father has lived quite a sad and pathetic life too addicted to the damned stuff, he is in the process of dying soon should he continue- and all indications are that he will. No amount of effort can keep him from it.

I know full well that plenty of people can handle alcohol responsibly, but I've still come to the conclusion that the world is better off without it. If allowed a chance at wielding enough power, I will finish what Prohibition started.

Rampant crime and corruption?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:04 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Guys take it to the CDT, or make an ethics thread.

We all know ethics have no place in the right wing thread. :^)
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:04 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I've officially joined the Temperance Movement and now consider myself apart of it. I've seen firsthand the evil of alcohol. I used to drink only on holidays but no more- now I banish all alcohol as one of the "filths of the Earth" along with Tobacco and Marijuana, among other potentially harmful substances that don't immediately come to mind.

My father has lived quite a sad and pathetic life too addicted to the damned stuff, he is in the process of dying soon should he continue- and all indications are that he will. No amount of effort can keep him from it.

I know full well that plenty of people can handle alcohol responsibly, but I've still come to the conclusion that the world is better off without it. If allowed a chance at wielding enough power, I will finish what Prohibition started.

Rampant crime and corruption?


....Never heard of crimes with alcohol involvement?
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:04 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Guys take it to the CDT, or make an ethics thread.

We all know ethics have no place in the right wing thread. :^)


You take that back!

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:08 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:We all know ethics have no place in the right wing thread. :^)


You take that back!

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:09 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
You take that back!

Can't turn le clock back.


Sprite told me otherwise tbh

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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:11 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Guys take it to the CDT, or make an ethics thread.


Should we toss them both out of the helicopter, sir?

They must be physically removed, so to speak.
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:12 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Guys take it to the CDT, or make an ethics thread.

We all know ethics have no place in the right wing thread. :^)


I would refer to the OP. Generally I don't care too much as long as the topics do not become thread consuming and unrelated to which time it is common to turn to another topic.

This one no doubt will inspire difference of opinion. Was the treaty of Trianon justified?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:12 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Can't turn le clock back.


Sprite told me otherwise tbh

What
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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:13 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Should we toss them both out of the helicopter, sir?

They must be physically removed, so to speak.


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Postby Minzerland II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:13 pm

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I would recommend, if you want to read a bit about Monarchism, Patriarcha by Robert Filmer. I found it quite interesting to read, personally, despite agreeing with Locke in his criticisms of it.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:16 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Sprite told me otherwise tbh

What


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Postby Minzerland II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:28 pm

Herskerstad wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:We all know ethics have no place in the right wing thread. :^)


I would refer to the OP. Generally I don't care too much as long as the topics do not become thread consuming and unrelated to which time it is common to turn to another topic.

This one no doubt will inspire difference of opinion. Was the treaty of Trianon justified?

No. It was too harsh on the Hungarians, tbh. It was punishing Hungary for the actions of Austria. There was no negotiation either, it was simply dictated to them and that caused a great deal of bitterness amongst the Hungarians; no wonder they sided with the Nazis.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:32 pm

Hungary voted against World War I so if anybody was blameless it was them
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:32 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
I would refer to the OP. Generally I don't care too much as long as the topics do not become thread consuming and unrelated to which time it is common to turn to another topic.

This one no doubt will inspire difference of opinion. Was the treaty of Trianon justified?

No. It was too harsh on the Hungarians, tbh. It was punishing Hungary for the actions of Austria. There was no negotiation either, it was simply dictated to them and that caused a great deal of bitterness amongst the Hungarians; no wonder they sided with the Nazis.

"First time we sided with the Germans we lost everything let's do it again"

Truly proof of the Hungarian genius at work
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:33 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:Hungary voted against World War I so if anybody was blameless it was them


The whole of Austria-Hungary was blameless damn you, no compromise.

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Postby Herskerstad » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:37 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:
I would refer to the OP. Generally I don't care too much as long as the topics do not become thread consuming and unrelated to which time it is common to turn to another topic.

This one no doubt will inspire difference of opinion. Was the treaty of Trianon justified?

No. It was too harsh on the Hungarians, tbh. It was punishing Hungary for the actions of Austria. There was no negotiation either, it was simply dictated to them and that caused a great deal of bitterness amongst the Hungarians; no wonder they sided with the Nazis.


The nations had agreed on a common foreign policy ever since the end of the rebellion and political reconsiliation, and what constituted hungary, even though core territories was lost, still had a remarkable amount of minorities which was less than comfortable with the rule of the nobility there, which while savvy in the 18th century, had been ass-backwards in the 19th and 20th.
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Postby Minzerland II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:40 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:No. It was too harsh on the Hungarians, tbh. It was punishing Hungary for the actions of Austria. There was no negotiation either, it was simply dictated to them and that caused a great deal of bitterness amongst the Hungarians; no wonder they sided with the Nazis.

"First time we sided with the Germans we lost everything let's do it again"

Truly proof of the Hungarian genius at work

The Germans had given the Hungarians more reasons, most important of which being territorial concessions, to side with them than the Allies ever did, especially because the Germans had successfully invaded France months beforehand and Poland prior to that..
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:45 pm

War Gears wrote:Recommend me a right-wing book.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:47 pm

Minzerland II wrote:The Germans had given the Hungarians more reasons, most important of which being territorial concessions, to side with them than the Allies ever did, especially because the Germans had successfully invaded France months beforehand and Poland prior to that..

Apparently we didn't punish them hard enough last time then to teach them their lesson. It is not gold which buys loyalty, but steel. If they can be bribed, they have not been sufficiently cowed. t. Vlad the Impaler
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Postby Minzerland II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:55 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:The Germans had given the Hungarians more reasons, most important of which being territorial concessions, to side with them than the Allies ever did, especially because the Germans had successfully invaded France months beforehand and Poland prior to that..

Apparently we didn't punish them hard enough last time then to teach them their lesson. It is not gold which buys loyalty, but steel. If they can be bribed, they have not been sufficiently cowed. t. Vlad the Impaler

That would have made the situation worse, though, I think.
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Minzerland II wrote:No. It was too harsh on the Hungarians, tbh. It was punishing Hungary for the actions of Austria. There was no negotiation either, it was simply dictated to them and that caused a great deal of bitterness amongst the Hungarians; no wonder they sided with the Nazis.


The nations had agreed on a common foreign policy ever since the end of the rebellion and political reconsiliation, and what constituted hungary, even though core territories was lost, still had a remarkable amount of minorities which was less than comfortable with the rule of the nobility there, which while savvy in the 18th century, had been ass-backwards in the 19th and 20th.

Could you elaborate further, please? Because the 'Self Determination of People's' facilitated through the Treaty of Trianon was a monumental failure and caused more problems in Hungary during the interim between WWI and WWII than it fixed.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:56 pm

Minzerland II wrote:That would have made the situation worse, though, I think.

We didn't have trouble with Germany after we sliced them up into little bits after deciding we were too soft on them at Versailles.
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Postby Minzerland II » Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:59 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:That would have made the situation worse, though, I think.

We didn't have trouble with Germany after we sliced them up into little bits after deciding we were too soft on them at Versailles.

>implying it wasn't the red menace that cowed the Germans after WWII
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