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[The Black Forrest]

Sudbury schools (my personal favorite),

When did pre-school change it's name?

[Northern Davincia]

Sudbury schools (my personal favorite),

When did pre-school change it's name?

Beats me, but it's a helluva lot better than what the state can cook up. Letting students value freedom is pretty nice.

[Vassenor]

So what are schools teaching that's so evil?

[Valrifell]

So what are schools teaching that's so evil?

Evolution

And probably things he disagrees with.

[Northern Davincia]

So what are schools teaching that's so evil?

The problem with schools is that they don't teach you anything of value. How often do you use calculus daily? Or biochemistry? Or Shakespeare?
If you do happen to use those things often, good for you, but the rest of us don't. Students should learn skills to live life and get employed. The rest should be optional.

[Post War America]

The inherent problem in the public education is that it already benefits rich communities more than poor (because education in the US is largely funded by property taxes). Gutting the public education system and relying on private schools, will only entrench that class benefit. I get that you seem to have this delusion that in a lasseiz-faire society you'll be the robber baron, and not the person slaving away in the steel mill. However, a modern economy (one that allows you to have a computer, an internet connection, and free time) requires an educated workforce, which is going to disappear entirely if we get rid of public education, and gutting it ill do exactly that.

[Petrasylvania]

So what are schools teaching that's so evil?

The problem with schools is that they don't teach you anything of value. How often do you use calculus daily? Or biochemistry? Or Shakespeare?
If you do happen to use those things often, good for you, but the rest of us don't. Students should learn skills to live life and get employed. The rest should be optional.

Everyone else should be blue collar but you get to exempt yourself as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. How convenient.

[Valrifell]

So what are schools teaching that's so evil?

The problem with schools is that they don't teach you anything of value. How often do you use calculus daily? Or biochemistry? Or Shakespeare?
If you do happen to use those things often, good for you, but the rest of us don't. Students should learn skills to live life and get employed. The rest should be optional.

The Enlightenment Ideal of the way we teach children is to build a general base of education to attain any career that one could want, to develop an interest in the world around us, and to give a variety of options to kids to see what they would want when it becomes their choice.

Really, the current way of doing things is probably freer than having parents pick their child's career path from birth.

[Vassenor]

But it also risks them being taught to take a critical view of the world around them which makes them less susceptible to empty rhetoric.

[Northern Davincia]

The inherent problem in the public education is that it already benefits rich communities more than poor (because education in the US is largely funded by property taxes). Gutting the public education system and relying on private schools, will only entrench that class benefit. I get that you seem to have this delusion that in a lasseiz-faire society you'll be the robber baron, and not the person slaving away in the steel mill. However, a modern economy (one that allows you to have a computer, an internet connection, and free time) requires an educated workforce, which is going to disappear entirely if we get rid of public education, and gutting it ill do exactly that.

The reliance on private schools will not be exclusive. Parents really should have the option to get their kids out of failing schools with vouchers, because for how much we spend, the results are not coming in.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... h-science/

The problem with schools is that they don't teach you anything of value. How often do you use calculus daily? Or biochemistry? Or Shakespeare?
If you do happen to use those things often, good for you, but the rest of us don't. Students should learn skills to live life and get employed. The rest should be optional.

Everyone else should be blue collar but you get to exempt yourself as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. How convenient.

Why don't children learn how to fix their car or do their taxes? Why don't they learn skills that appeal to their talents in the work force?
I'm not saying they can't delve deeper into academics and scholarly studies. However, it shouldn't be mandatory.

[Post War America]

The inherent problem in the public education is that it already benefits rich communities more than poor (because education in the US is largely funded by property taxes). Gutting the public education system and relying on private schools, will only entrench that class benefit. I get that you seem to have this delusion that in a lasseiz-faire society you'll be the robber baron, and not the person slaving away in the steel mill. However, a modern economy (one that allows you to have a computer, an internet connection, and free time) requires an educated workforce, which is going to disappear entirely if we get rid of public education, and gutting it ill do exactly that.

The reliance on private schools will not be exclusive. Parents really should have the option to get their kids out of failing schools with vouchers, because for how much we spend, the results are not coming in.

So, you want to overcrowd schools that are doing well? Yeah, sure that won't just shift the problem elsewhere.

[Petrasylvania]

Abolishing public schools will make them smarter? Or the sort of illiterate serfs you hope will work your barony?

Vouchers, home schooling, Sudbury schools (my personal favorite), and charter schools seem like good alternatives. Immigrants are better suited for the barony anyway.

Charter schools have a habit of being fraud mills.

Report: Millions of dollars in fraud, waste found in charter school sector

[Camicon]

Everyone else should be blue collar but you get to exempt yourself as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. How convenient.

Why don't children learn how to fix their car or do their taxes? Why don't they learn skills that appeal to their talents in the work force?
I'm not saying they can't delve deeper into academics and scholarly studies. However, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Children aren't taught how to fix their cars because modern cars are not designed to be tinkered on by uncertified and unqualified amateur mechanics. And here's a thought: how about, instead of teaching American students how to navigate your clusterfuck of a tax code, you fix the tax code?

Calculus, biology and chemistry, Shakespeare, and other such subjects are taught to students because, should they wish to pursue a career in which those topics are fundamental, they need to get started on that information early. Otherwise they won't be entering the workforce until their late twenties, at the earliest.

Also, being well-versed in a wide variety of subjects and fields generally benefits a student's academic and professional pursuits across the board. The Biology major who also can write a flawless essay will generally do better in their studies and work than one who cannot.

[Vassenor]

Why don't children learn how to fix their car or do their taxes? Why don't they learn skills that appeal to their talents in the work force?
I'm not saying they can't delve deeper into academics and scholarly studies. However, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Children aren't taught how to fix their cars because modern cars are not designed to be tinkered on be uncertified and unqualified amateur mechanics. And here's a though: how about, instead of teaching American students how to navigate your clusterfuck of a tax code, you fix the tax code?

Calculus, biology and chemistry, Shakespeare, and other such subjects are taught to students because, should they wish to pursue a career in which those topics are fundamental, they need to get started on that information early. Otherwise they won't be entering the workforce until their late twenties, at the earliest.

But that would make it harder for the rich to avoid paying.

[Northern Davincia]

The reliance on private schools will not be exclusive. Parents really should have the option to get their kids out of failing schools with vouchers, because for how much we spend, the results are not coming in.

So, you want to overcrowd schools that are doing well? Yeah, sure that won't just shift the problem elsewhere.

Private schools tend to have enrollment quotas. Once they stock up on kids, they're set.

Vouchers, home schooling, Sudbury schools (my personal favorite), and charter schools seem like good alternatives. Immigrants are better suited for the barony anyway.

Charter schools have a habit of being fraud mills.

Report: Millions of dollars in fraud, waste found in charter school sector

Sounds familiar.

[Neutraligon]

So, you want to overcrowd schools that are doing well? Yeah, sure that won't just shift the problem elsewhere.

Private schools tend to have enrollment quotas. Once they stock up on kids, they're set.

So what happens to the kids who cannot afford to get into private schools?

[Maineiacs]

Private schools tend to have enrollment quotas. Once they stock up on kids, they're set.

So what happens to the kids who cannot afford to get into private schools?

I'm sure Northern Davincia would be willing to make them his serfs.

[Camicon]

Charter schools have a habit of being fraud mills.

Report: Millions of dollars in fraud, waste found in charter school sector

Sounds familiar.

Administrative personnel embezzling and misusing education funding is less indicative of too much money being spent on the education system (as any teacher could tell you, the exact opposite is true) and more indicative of a very poor system of oversight on how the money is being spent.

When American school children are all being sent home with brand new PC's every school year, then we can talk about cutting the education budget.

[Post War America]

So what happens to the kids who cannot afford to get into private schools?

I'm sure Northern Davincia would be willing to make them his serfs.

Why is it that ancaps always seem to think they'll be the ones on top, and not the slaves in the sweatshop?

[Ifreann]

The inherent problem in the public education is that it already benefits rich communities more than poor (because education in the US is largely funded by property taxes). Gutting the public education system and relying on private schools, will only entrench that class benefit. I get that you seem to have this delusion that in a lasseiz-faire society you'll be the robber baron, and not the person slaving away in the steel mill. However, a modern economy (one that allows you to have a computer, an internet connection, and free time) requires an educated workforce, which is going to disappear entirely if we get rid of public education, and gutting it ill do exactly that.

The reliance on private schools will not be exclusive. Parents really should have the option to get their kids out of failing schools with vouchers, because for how much we spend, the results are not coming in.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... h-science/

Everyone else should be blue collar but you get to exempt yourself as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire. How convenient.

Why don't children learn how to fix their car or do their taxes? Why don't they learn skills that appeal to their talents in the work force?
I'm not saying they can't delve deeper into academics and scholarly studies. However, it shouldn't be mandatory.

What do children know at 5 about what their talents will be at 25?

[Northern Davincia]

Why don't children learn how to fix their car or do their taxes? Why don't they learn skills that appeal to their talents in the work force?
I'm not saying they can't delve deeper into academics and scholarly studies. However, it shouldn't be mandatory.

Children aren't taught how to fix their cars because modern cars are not designed to be tinkered on by uncertified and unqualified amateur mechanics. And here's a thought: how about, instead of teaching American students how to navigate your clusterfuck of a tax code, you fix the tax code?

Calculus, biology and chemistry, Shakespeare, and other such subjects are taught to students because, should they wish to pursue a career in which those topics are fundamental, they need to get started on that information early. Otherwise they won't be entering the workforce until their late twenties, at the earliest.

Also, being well-versed in a wide variety of subjects and fields generally benefits a student's academic and professional pursuits across the board. The Biology major who also can write a flawless essay will generally do better in their studies and work than one who cannot.

The tax code isn't going to be fixed anytime soon. We have an obligation to help people navigate it now while it exists. Likewise, they should know how to take out loans, buy vehicles or houses, and similar things.
I already stated that higher academics should be voluntary. If kids want to learn those topics for their careers, more power to them. Just don't punish everyone else along the way.

Private schools tend to have enrollment quotas. Once they stock up on kids, they're set.

So what happens to the kids who cannot afford to get into private schools?

Vouchers, of course.

Sounds familiar.

Administrative personnel embezzling and misusing education funding is less indicative of too much money being spent on the education system (as any teacher could tell you, the exact opposite is true) and more indicative of a very poor system of oversight on how the money is being spent.

When American school children are all being sent home with brand new PC's every school year, then we can talk about cutting the education budget.

With lobbyists tearing down any hope for better oversight, it's time to starve the beast rather than appease it.

[Maineiacs]

I'm sure Northern Davincia would be willing to make them his serfs.

Why is it that ancaps always seem to think they'll be the ones on top, and not the slaves in the sweatshop?

Well, as I've said before, I've encountered some that would be just as happy being the enforcers for the ones on top.

[Vassenor]

TIL a broad education is a punishment.

[Petrasylvania]

The reliance on private schools will not be exclusive. Parents really should have the option to get their kids out of failing schools with vouchers, because for how much we spend, the results are not coming in.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... h-science/

Why don't children learn how to fix their car or do their taxes? Why don't they learn skills that appeal to their talents in the work force?
I'm not saying they can't delve deeper into academics and scholarly studies. However, it shouldn't be mandatory.

What do children know at 5 about what their talents will be at 25?

That could be solved by implementing an an-cap caste system, of course.

[The Black Forrest]

Vouchers, of course.

And I thought you were serious.