Moderate discussion thread

[The Grene Knyght]

Not unique to the left. Not at all. Where I live luxury taxes are receiving a significant hike (and such taxes were high to begin with), under the supposedly "centrist" government (I have issues with that terminology being applied to them but for the purposes of this thread it stands). This tax hike is being met with significant outcry from the left (but so far as I've seen, not the centre, who are imposing it, or the right), with the logic being that such taxes apply disproportionately to the poor.

Really? A centrist bill did this? Strange.

Is it? The definition of 'centrist' is so tenuous I find it to be almost useless. The self-described centre, where I live, is far more similar to the to the 'left' in america (by which I mean the democrats, not the actual left), but far more similar to the right overall, despite the lip service it pays to the socially-left.

[Zakuvia]

Really? A centrist bill did this? Strange.

Is it? The definition of 'centrist' is so tenuous I find it to be almost useless. The self-described centre, where I live, is far more similar to the to the 'left' in america (by which I mean the democrats, not the actual left), but far more similar to the right overall, despite the lip service it pays to the socially-left.

I agree. Though I will state that I'm a moderate/centrist if pressed, I would have to say that there needs to be a different term used, since 'centrist' is saying more of what you aren't than what you are. Centrists aren't liberal, and they're not conservative. What are they? Who knows?

Rather, I feel that most Centrists are, in fact, pragmatists and utilitarians. The warm and fluffy kind of utilitarian, not the 'chop grandma up and make her into dog kibble' kind. Their focus is on the practical solution of issues rather than adhering to a specific ideological bent. This can also work with apistevism, in that you're not relying on what you feel is right, rather you're going with what can be objectively proven and solved. That, in my experience at least, describes most people who define themselves as 'Centrists'.

[MERIZoC]

Is it? The definition of 'centrist' is so tenuous I find it to be almost useless. The self-described centre, where I live, is far more similar to the to the 'left' in america (by which I mean the democrats, not the actual left), but far more similar to the right overall, despite the lip service it pays to the socially-left.

I agree. Though I will state that I'm a moderate/centrist if pressed, I would have to say that there needs to be a different term used, since 'centrist' is saying more of what you aren't than what you are. Centrists aren't liberal, and they're not conservative. What are they? Who knows?

Yes, they are

Rather, I feel that most Centrists are, in fact, pragmatists and utilitarians. The warm and fluffy kind of utilitarian, not the 'chop grandma up and make her into dog kibble' kind. Their focus is on the practical solution of issues rather than adhering to a specific ideological bent. This can also work with apistevism, in that you're not relying on what you feel is right, rather you're going with what can be objectively proven and solved. That, in my experience at least, describes most people who define themselves as 'Centrists'.

Fucking lol

[The Grene Knyght]

Is it? The definition of 'centrist' is so tenuous I find it to be almost useless. The self-described centre, where I live, is far more similar to the to the 'left' in america (by which I mean the democrats, not the actual left), but far more similar to the right overall, despite the lip service it pays to the socially-left.

I agree. Though I will state that I'm a moderate/centrist if pressed, I would have to say that there needs to be a different term used, since 'centrist' is saying more of what you aren't than what you are. Centrists aren't liberal, and they're not conservative. What are they? Who knows?

Rather, I feel that most Centrists are, in fact, pragmatists and utilitarians. The warm and fluffy kind of utilitarian, not the 'chop grandma up and make her into dog kibble' kind. Their focus is on the practical solution of issues rather than adhering to a specific ideological bent. This can also work with apistevism, in that you're not relying on what you feel is right, rather you're going with what can be objectively proven and solved. That, in my experience at least, describes most people who define themselves as 'Centrists'.

Have to agree with the sentiments expressed my Merizoc tbh.

[Zakuvia]

I agree. Though I will state that I'm a moderate/centrist if pressed, I would have to say that there needs to be a different term used, since 'centrist' is saying more of what you aren't than what you are. Centrists aren't liberal, and they're not conservative. What are they? Who knows?

Yes, they are

Rather, I feel that most Centrists are, in fact, pragmatists and utilitarians. The warm and fluffy kind of utilitarian, not the 'chop grandma up and make her into dog kibble' kind. Their focus is on the practical solution of issues rather than adhering to a specific ideological bent. This can also work with apistevism, in that you're not relying on what you feel is right, rather you're going with what can be objectively proven and solved. That, in my experience at least, describes most people who define themselves as 'Centrists'.

Fucking lol

To an American, a Centrist may appear liberal, but don't forget that the average US position is exceedingly conservative compared to the rest of the world. I remember someone commenting how Hillary Clinton was more conservative in some respects to Teresa May.

To the other half? I'll double lol you with a triple lol, and lolstamp it so it can't be re-lol'd. The only thing that can break a lolstamp is an actual argument. Come back with one.

[Charellia]

Yes, they are



Fucking lol

To an American, a Centrist may appear liberal, but don't forget that the average US position is exceedingly conservative compared to the rest of the world. I remember someone commenting how Hillary Clinton was more conservative in some respects to Teresa May.

To the other half? I'll double lol you with a triple lol, and lolstamp it so it can't be re-lol'd. The only thing that can break a lolstamp is an actual argument. Come back with one.

I'd say that from the perspective of anybody on the right, a centrist appears liberal, and conversely, a centrist appears conservative to anybody on the left. It also depends on the country in question. Justin Trudeau is far to the left of Hillary Clinton, but both are considered in centrists in their respective countries.

[MERIZoC]

Yes, they are



Fucking lol

To an American, a Centrist may appear liberal, but don't forget that the average US position is exceedingly conservative compared to the rest of the world. I remember someone commenting how Hillary Clinton was more conservative in some respects to Teresa May.

To the other half? I'll double lol you with a triple lol, and lolstamp it so it can't be re-lol'd. The only thing that can break a lolstamp is an actual argument. Come back with one.

Clinton and May are both liberals.

[The Liberated Territories]

Let's only put HALF the kittens in a blender.

[Insaeldor]

Let's only put HALF the kittens in a blender.

I'd rather have half my kittens that no roads.

[Hirota]

What makes a man turn neutral?

A lust for gold, power, or just being born with a heart full of neutrality. But then I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

[Collatis]

Let's only put HALF the kittens in a blender.

But what if the kittens consent?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Let's only put HALF the kittens in a blender.

But what if the kittens consent?

Is it still a violation of the catNAP???

[The Liberated Territories]

Let's only put HALF the kittens in a blender.

I'd rather have half my kittens that no roads.

Could you imagine saying that before the Union went to war with the Confederacy and before Lincoln wrote his Proclamation?

"Okay guys, so in terms of fairness, we'll only free half the slaves. We don't want to piss of the Southerners."

Let's only put HALF the kittens in a blender.

But what if the kittens consent?

It's a democracy, so the wolves already voted yes.

[The Widening Gyre]

To an American, a Centrist may appear liberal, but don't forget that the average US position is exceedingly conservative compared to the rest of the world. I remember someone commenting how Hillary Clinton was more conservative in some respects to Teresa May.

To the other half? I'll double lol you with a triple lol, and lolstamp it so it can't be re-lol'd. The only thing that can break a lolstamp is an actual argument. Come back with one.

I'd say that from the perspective of anybody on the right, a centrist appears liberal, and conversely, a centrist appears conservative to anybody on the left. It also depends on the country in question. Justin Trudeau is far to the left of Hillary Clinton, but both are considered in centrists in their respective countries.

We're not talking about the American definition of 'liberalism'. This is liberalism the ideology, which supports individual liberties, equality before the law, free trade, free markets, etc. Most Western mainstream parties are some variety of liberal and have been for a long while - their differences occur in the way they reason as to how to get to those specific ends and maximize things like individual liberty.

[Methodological Individualism]

What makes a man turn neutral?

Nothing, since most already are. It just seems like hard ideological extremes are super common because this Internet thingy has enabled hyper-filtering of information sources, while reducing the cost of transmission to near-zero. So, the vast majority of information transmission sources are now tinfoil haberdashers with a global reach. Combine with the 1% rule, et violia.

Also, oversized scissors.

[Charellia]

I'd say that from the perspective of anybody on the right, a centrist appears liberal, and conversely, a centrist appears conservative to anybody on the left. It also depends on the country in question. Justin Trudeau is far to the left of Hillary Clinton, but both are considered in centrists in their respective countries.

We're not talking about the American definition of 'liberalism'. This is liberalism the ideology, which supports individual liberties, equality before the law, free trade, free markets, etc. Most Western mainstream parties are some variety of liberal and have been for a long while - their differences occur in the way they reason as to how to get to those specific ends and maximize things like individual liberty.

I'm aware of the definition of liberalism. I was speaking about the way centrists are perceived across the political spectrum, and the difficulties involved in defining the center.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Here is a question:

As moderates, should we demand that Scientology loose it's tax exempt status?

I'd say, yes.

[Chestaan]

To an American, a Centrist may appear liberal, but don't forget that the average US position is exceedingly conservative compared to the rest of the world. I remember someone commenting how Hillary Clinton was more conservative in some respects to Teresa May.

To the other half? I'll double lol you with a triple lol, and lolstamp it so it can't be re-lol'd. The only thing that can break a lolstamp is an actual argument. Come back with one.

I'd say that from the perspective of anybody on the right, a centrist appears liberal, and conversely, a centrist appears conservative to anybody on the left. It also depends on the country in question. Justin Trudeau is far to the left of Hillary Clinton, but both are considered in centrists in their respective countries.

I wouldn't say Trudeau is far to the left of Hillary. Both have fundamentally the same approach, continue to support the same tinpot dictatorships and prop up the wealthy elites while merely paying lip-service to progressive ideals to mask their true policies. In many ways Trudeau, Clinton, May, Merkel and Macron are the ultimate conservatives in that they will do anything to maintain the status quo.

[Aellex]

We're not talking about the American definition of 'liberalism'. This is liberalism the ideology, which supports individual liberties, equality before the law, free trade, free markets, etc. Most Western mainstream parties are some variety of liberal and have been for a long while - their differences occur in the way they reason as to how to get to those specific ends and maximize things like individual liberty.

French Centrism (and by extension Belgian and Swiss too to some extent) as always been an opponent of liberalism and defender of Nationalism, whether we're talking about the old Bonapartism or more recent Gaullism.
The same can be said of the Italian and Spanish one.
The centrism you're talking about is the Anglo-English one and it is not shared by most of the continent.

[Collatis]

Here is a question:

As moderates, should we demand that Scientology loose it's tax exempt status?

I'd say, yes.

Any reasonable person should demand that.

[Risottia]

I'm a moderate leftist. I don't even call for the extermination of the bourgeoisie!

[Arumdaum]

I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose...moderate politics.

lmao

not gonna lie this made me snicker

[Arumdaum]

Let's only put HALF the kittens in a blender.

putting kittens in a blender is too extreme

so is not violently grinding them up

as a high iq radical centrist that watches rick and morty, i propose that we instead put them in a woodchipper. that way conservatives still get them being ground up, while liberals still get not putting them in a blender. this is the middle position that our country needs but is missing.

[Collatis]

Let's only put HALF the kittens in a blender.

putting kittens in a blender is too extreme

so is not violently grinding them up

as a high iq radical centrist that watches rick and morty, i propose that we instead put them in a woodchipper. that way conservatives still get them being ground up, while liberals still get not putting them in a blender. this is the middle position that our country needs but is missing.

My sides

[United Muscovite Nations]

Let's only put HALF the kittens in a blender.

putting kittens in a blender is too extreme

so is not violently grinding them up

as a high iq radical centrist that watches rick and morty, i propose that we instead put them in a woodchipper. that way conservatives still get them being ground up, while liberals still get not putting them in a blender. this is the middle position that our country needs but is missing.

Only the lowest class of intellectuals watch Richard and Mortimer, a true intellectual watches the brilliantly scripted "Young Sheldon", which is much truer to its source material.