Of Ships and Girls and Shipgirls - a KanColle-RP (OOC)

[Yekrenia]

There's so many things which seem off with those numbers in the technical specifications that I don't even know where to start. Give me a couple hours to actually line up the numbers.

I know, it's messy. With all due respect, it's my first time being this kind of RP. Plus, I don't have a visual reference of what Lanza Blanca would look like in real-life, so I apologize for any confusion amongst the technical details.

[Lunas Legion]

Jesus that armoured deck. Even Yamato only had a 222mm or so armoured deck.

Also pre-dreadnoughts represent.

[Yekrenia]

Jesus that armoured deck. Even Yamato only had a 222mm or so armoured deck.

Also pre-dreadnoughts represent.

Plunging fire was always a constant problem that the Yekrenese Navy faced when it came to fighting against the South American navies. Prior to Lanza Blanca's construction, nearly every Yekrenese warship had an unarmored wooden deck; however, the new ironclad battleships that were armored were far few prior to the 1890s, but even their armor proved useless in stopping plunging fire from anything bigger than 5in shells. As a major player on the naval battlefields in South America, Yekrenia was almost always involved in the wars fought in the South Americas (with the Paraguayan War and the Chilean Civil War of 1891 being the only exceptions), and it had good reasons to build large ships to put the other South American navies to shame.

As the only other South American country loyal to Spain and keen upon establishing its power in the continent, Yekrenia prevailed at building an impressive navy (with Spain providing assistance and expertise); however, whenever any effort was put into the army, things always tend to go to shit. Whenever any Yekrenese warship went against coastal defenses, almost everybody (Uruguay being the only exception) knew where to hit the Yekrenese ships - with Peru exposing this critical weakness in the Yekrenese Navy from the Battle of Callao (Chincha Islands War). From the late 1860s until the mid-1880s, the Yekrenese Navy eventually continued to get 'fucked in the ass' on land while it controlled the seas (and slowly loosing most of its ships in the process); however, it was only when Spain let Yekrenia perish to its naval doom to the Argentinians and Brazilians that Yekrenia began to juice up.

Betrayed by Spain's deadpan and cold hearted offering of independence, Yekrenia began to modernized its navy on a massive scale, even going so far as to instigating a military junta into power in a similar fashion that Japan would follow in the decades to come. As you may expected, Yekrenia began to stockpile upon new warships in secrecy, and that's while letting all of its other and/or older ships meet their doom and buy Yekrenia some time. Basically, Yekrenia was like chopping down its old wooden house and used it as fire fuel while it built its new house out of bricks and iron...while in the middle of winter.

Subsequently, when Yekrenia participated in the Spanish-American War (via assisting the US take Cuba and fight the Spanish Navy), Yekrenia was like that abused son who now shows up years later as a handsome and muscular rogue to scare the living shit out of their withered and shitty father. Think of the scenes from Wolfenstein The New Colossus, where BJ Blazkowicz returns to old family home and kills his father - it was kind of like that situation with Yekrenia (by the time of the Spanish-American War).

[Legatia]

Jesus that armoured deck. Even Yamato only had a 222mm or so armoured deck.

Also pre-dreadnoughts represent.

Plunging fire was always a constant problem that the Yekrenese Navy faced when it came to fighting against the South American navies. Prior to Lanza Blanca's construction, nearly every Yekrenese warship had an unarmored wooden deck; however, the new ironclad battleships that were armored were far few prior to the 1890s, but even their armor proved useless in stopping plunging fire from anything bigger than 5in shells. As a major player on the naval battlefields in South America, Yekrenia was almost always involved in the wars fought in the South Americas (with the Paraguayan War and the Chilean Civil War of 1891 being the only exceptions), and it had good reasons to build large ships to put the other South American navies to shame.

As the only other South American country loyal to Spain and keen upon establishing its power in the continent, Yekrenia prevailed at building an impressive navy (with Spain providing assistance and expertise); however, whenever any effort was put into the army, things always tend to go to shit. Whenever any Yekrenese warship went against coastal defenses, almost everybody (Uruguay being the only exception) knew where to hit the Yekrenese ships - with Peru exposing this critical weakness in the Yekrenese Navy from the Battle of Callao (Chincha Islands War). From the late 1860s until the mid-1880s, the Yekrenese Navy eventually continued to get 'fucked in the ass' on land while it controlled the seas (and slowly loosing most of its ships in the process); however, it was only when Spain let Yekrenia perish to its naval doom to the Argentinians and Brazilians that Yekrenia began to juice up.

Betrayed by Spain's deadpan and cold hearted offering of independence, Yekrenia began to modernized its navy on a massive scale, even going so far as to instigating a military junta into power in a similar fashion that Japan would follow in the decades to come. As you may expected, Yekrenia began to stockpile upon new warships in secrecy, and that's while letting all of its other and/or older ships meet their doom and buy Yekrenia some time. Basically, Yekrenia was like chopping down its old wooden house and used it as fire fuel while it built its new house out of bricks and iron...while in the middle of winter.

Subsequently, when Yekrenia participated in the Spanish-American War (via assisting the US take Cuba and fight the Spanish Navy), Yekrenia was like that abused son who now shows up years later as a handsome and muscular rogue to scare the living shit out of their withered and shitty father. Think of the scenes from Wolfenstein The New Colossus, where BJ Blazkowicz returns to old family home and kills his father - it was kind of like that situation with Yekrenia (by the time of the Spanish-American War).

Your armored deck shouldn't really be more than your side armor, in my opinion. I have yet to see an example where deck armor>belt.

[Lunas Legion]

Jesus that armoured deck. Even Yamato only had a 222mm or so armoured deck.

Also pre-dreadnoughts represent.

Plunging fire was always a constant problem that the Yekrenese Navy faced when it came to fighting against the South American navies. Prior to Lanza Blanca's construction, nearly every Yekrenese warship had an unarmored wooden deck; however, the new ironclad battleships that were armored were far few prior to the 1890s, but even their armor proved useless in stopping plunging fire from anything bigger than 5in shells. As a major player on the naval battlefields in South America, Yekrenia was almost always involved in the wars fought in the South Americas (with the Paraguayan War and the Chilean Civil War of 1891 being the only exceptions), and it had good reasons to build large ships to put the other South American navies to shame.

As the only other South American country loyal to Spain and keen upon establishing its power in the continent, Yekrenia prevailed at building an impressive navy (with Spain providing assistance and expertise); however, whenever any effort was put into the army, things always tend to go to shit. Whenever any Yekrenese warship went against coastal defenses, almost everybody (Uruguay being the only exception) knew where to hit the Yekrenese ships - with Peru exposing this critical weakness in the Yekrenese Navy from the Battle of Callao (Chincha Islands War). From the late 1860s until the mid-1880s, the Yekrenese Navy eventually continued to get 'fucked in the ass' on land while it controlled the seas (and slowly loosing most of its ships in the process); however, it was only when Spain let Yekrenia perish to its naval doom to the Argentinians and Brazilians that Yekrenia began to juice up.

Betrayed by Spain's deadpan and cold hearted offering of independence, Yekrenia began to modernized its navy on a massive scale, even going so far as to instigating a military junta into power in a similar fashion that Japan would follow in the decades to come. As you may expected, Yekrenia began to stockpile upon new warships in secrecy, and that's while letting all of its other and/or older ships meet their doom and buy Yekrenia some time. Basically, Yekrenia was like chopping down its old wooden house and used it as fire fuel while it built its new house out of bricks and iron...while in the middle of winter.

Subsequently, when Yekrenia participated in the Spanish-American War (via assisting the US take Cuba and fight the Spanish Navy), Yekrenia was like that abused son who now shows up years later as a handsome and muscular rogue to scare the living shit out of their withered and shitty father. Think of the scenes from Wolfenstein The New Colossus, where BJ Blazkowicz returns to old family home and kills his father - it was kind of like that situation with Yekrenia (by the time of the Spanish-American War).

Still, 600mm is just absurd. Bear in mind the caliber of the gun that you'd need to defeat at the largest would probably have been a 200mm coastal artillery piece, and even then there's a reason all-or-nothing armour became a thing.

[The Selkie]

I see - so, being a pre-dreadnought with a super-battleship's armour, it served her well. The boilers and engines must be mighty devices to still propel her to 24 knots, which certainly explain her 'fuel tanks'... speaking of which, in howfar is she affected by the usual disadvantages of uniflow steam engines?

Her uniflow steam engines allowed her to free up space for more coal bunkers and ammunition; however, unlike her previous propulsion system (which were triple expansion steam engines prior to her modernization), Lanza Blanca's designers sacrificed horsepower for simpler maintenance and greater reliability, so she was reduced from 29 knots to her current 24 knots after her modernization. Plus, unlike most other naval superpowers, Yekrenia had no native oil deposits, so Lanza Blanca (including the other large Yekrenese warships) remained stuck with coal and water to generate steam, and her uniflow steam engines left her at an economical speed of 8 knots (24 knots is her maximum top speed). Consequently, when Lanza Blanca became involved in chasing down the Bismarck, Lanza Blanca was only outpacing HMS Rodney by 0.5 knots (Bismarck being 31 knots and Prinz Eugen being 33.5 knots), and later arriving to sink the Bismarck...ten minutes after the first salvo was fired upon the wounded Bismarck.

In simpler words, Lanza Blanca sacrificed strength for reliability and stamina - something that allowed fast battleships and battlecruisers to spin half-circles around her. In the form of a shipgirl, comparing Lanza Blanca to Musashi would be like putting the T-900 (Female Terminator) against the T-X (Female Anti-Terminator) side by side (T-900 = Lanza Blanca; T-X = Musashi).

P.S. I see what you did there when you're talking about 'fuel tanks'. Isn't that kind of...naughty? I'm sorry, I'm morbidly curious.

Uhm... I wouldn't call practical uniflow steam engines more reliable and simpler to maintain then classical steam engines. Quite on the contrary, in fact, but I'm no engineer. As it is, these massive things must burn coal like mad, even at 8 knots...
Well, at least Hydrus now has a partner to complain about "dem youn' ones!" ; )

PS: Calling them 'fuel tanks' is actually not my idea, but I liked the way of referring to them as such in this context. And yes, it's a bit naughty, but effective.
It's a bit of a metaphor, too. Another interesting fact is, that apparently people interpret the kanmusus' bust size more in like with their engine power - even with a chart.

EDIT-without-EDIT: Fourth time trying to post this post...
I see, that Lanza Blanca is causing quite a bit of a stir, so I'd like to ask you, Yekrenia, to please withhold posting on the IC for now until everything (or most things, at least) is cleared up.
Seems to me that I shouldn't review applications late at night... I am sorry for the inconvinience.

[Yekrenia]

Plunging fire was always a constant problem that the Yekrenese Navy faced when it came to fighting against the South American navies. Prior to Lanza Blanca's construction, nearly every Yekrenese warship had an unarmored wooden deck; however, the new ironclad battleships that were armored were far few prior to the 1890s, but even their armor proved useless in stopping plunging fire from anything bigger than 5in shells. As a major player on the naval battlefields in South America, Yekrenia was almost always involved in the wars fought in the South Americas (with the Paraguayan War and the Chilean Civil War of 1891 being the only exceptions), and it had good reasons to build large ships to put the other South American navies to shame.

As the only other South American country loyal to Spain and keen upon establishing its power in the continent, Yekrenia prevailed at building an impressive navy (with Spain providing assistance and expertise); however, whenever any effort was put into the army, things always tend to go to shit. Whenever any Yekrenese warship went against coastal defenses, almost everybody (Uruguay being the only exception) knew where to hit the Yekrenese ships - with Peru exposing this critical weakness in the Yekrenese Navy from the Battle of Callao (Chincha Islands War). From the late 1860s until the mid-1880s, the Yekrenese Navy eventually continued to get 'fucked in the ass' on land while it controlled the seas (and slowly loosing most of its ships in the process); however, it was only when Spain let Yekrenia perish to its naval doom to the Argentinians and Brazilians that Yekrenia began to juice up.

Betrayed by Spain's deadpan and cold hearted offering of independence, Yekrenia began to modernized its navy on a massive scale, even going so far as to instigating a military junta into power in a similar fashion that Japan would follow in the decades to come. As you may expected, Yekrenia began to stockpile upon new warships in secrecy, and that's while letting all of its other and/or older ships meet their doom and buy Yekrenia some time. Basically, Yekrenia was like chopping down its old wooden house and used it as fire fuel while it built its new house out of bricks and iron...while in the middle of winter.

Subsequently, when Yekrenia participated in the Spanish-American War (via assisting the US take Cuba and fight the Spanish Navy), Yekrenia was like that abused son who now shows up years later as a handsome and muscular rogue to scare the living shit out of their withered and shitty father. Think of the scenes from Wolfenstein The New Colossus, where BJ Blazkowicz returns to old family home and kills his father - it was kind of like that situation with Yekrenia (by the time of the Spanish-American War).

Still, 600mm is just absurd. Bear in mind the caliber of the gun that you'd need to defeat at the largest would probably have been a 200mm coastal artillery piece, and even then there's a reason all-or-nothing armour became a thing.

That was the whole point of Lanza Blanca's armor thickness. She was designed to shrug off South American coastal defenses and survive plunging fire - which was a weaknesses that all South American and European navies exploited until the late 1880s. Of course, Lanza Blanca is slow (after her modernization) and has a below-average range compared to other battleships just as heavy or heavier than her (even the Yamato Class Battleships and Nagato Class Battleships had superior range than the Lanza Blanca Class Battleship). Otherwise, she was kind of an over-engineered superweapon, as her armor proved effective against the increasing maturity of naval aviation and armament (torpedoes and bombs, except for the biggest and/or most powerful explosives like the Grand Slam, Tallboy, and any atomic weapon).

[Yekrenia]

Her uniflow steam engines allowed her to free up space for more coal bunkers and ammunition; however, unlike her previous propulsion system (which were triple expansion steam engines prior to her modernization), Lanza Blanca's designers sacrificed horsepower for simpler maintenance and greater reliability, so she was reduced from 29 knots to her current 24 knots after her modernization. Plus, unlike most other naval superpowers, Yekrenia had no native oil deposits, so Lanza Blanca (including the other large Yekrenese warships) remained stuck with coal and water to generate steam, and her uniflow steam engines left her at an economical speed of 8 knots (24 knots is her maximum top speed). Consequently, when Lanza Blanca became involved in chasing down the Bismarck, Lanza Blanca was only outpacing HMS Rodney by 0.5 knots (Bismarck being 31 knots and Prinz Eugen being 33.5 knots), and later arriving to sink the Bismarck...ten minutes after the first salvo was fired upon the wounded Bismarck.

In simpler words, Lanza Blanca sacrificed strength for reliability and stamina - something that allowed fast battleships and battlecruisers to spin half-circles around her. In the form of a shipgirl, comparing Lanza Blanca to Musashi would be like putting the T-900 (Female Terminator) against the T-X (Female Anti-Terminator) side by side (T-900 = Lanza Blanca; T-X = Musashi).

P.S. I see what you did there when you're talking about 'fuel tanks'. Isn't that kind of...naughty? I'm sorry, I'm morbidly curious.

Uhm... I wouldn't call practical uniflow steam engines more reliable and simpler to maintain then classical steam engines. Quite on the contrary, in fact, but I'm no engineer. As it is, these massive things must burn coal like mad, even at 8 knots...
Well, at least Hydrus now has a partner to complain about "dem youn' ones!" ; )

PS: Calling them 'fuel tanks' is actually not my idea, but I liked the way of referring to them as such in this context. And yes, it's a bit naughty, but effective.
It's a bit of a metaphor, too. Another interesting fact is, that apparently people interpret the kanmusus' bust size more in like with their engine power - even with a chart.

EDIT-without-EDIT: Fourth time trying to post this post...
I see, that Lanza Blanca is causing quite a bit of a stir, so I'd like to ask you, Yekrenia, to please withhold posting on the IC for now until everything (or most things, at least) is cleared up.
Seems to me that I shouldn't review applications late at night... I am sorry for the inconvinience.

Okay, welp, I'm going have to make some changes, so no worries.

EDIT: With all due respect, everyone, let's just wait for a full review upon my character from both the OC and CO-OPs alike, and then I can proceed with making the complete changes. By the way, as for you Selkie, where you from? Because it's 7:35pm over here on the East Coast.

[Sterkistan]

There's so many things which seem off with those numbers in the technical specifications that I don't even know where to start. Give me a couple hours to actually line up the numbers.

You don't have to criticize every single thing for it's realism. Have a little fun.

[Yekrenia]

There's so many things which seem off with those numbers in the technical specifications that I don't even know where to start. Give me a couple hours to actually line up the numbers.

You don't have to criticize every single thing for it's realism. Have a little fun.

I would've like to thank you very much; however, there are some people of this RP that don't entirely agree to my app, so I can only wait until tomorrow to find out whether or not Selkie will take a double take and either deny or just tell me to make some modifications to have me accepted again.

[The Selkie]

You don't have to criticize every single thing for it's realism. Have a little fun.

I would've like to thank you very much; however, there are some people of this RP that don't entirely agree to my app, so I can only wait until tomorrow to find out whether or not Selkie will take a double take and either deny or just tell me to make some modifications to have me accepted again.

I slept on it and reviewed what I knew in my head a little bit, and I would like to ask you all to forgive me for any inconvinience I might have caused to you, Yekrenia, and the other players in this RP. I really, really shouldn't review applications that late at night...
(I'm from the Central European Time Zone, more precisely from merry ol' Germany. By the time of this post, it was 1:31 a.m. for me.)

As for the matter at hand, namely Lanza Blanca, please reduce the overall armour a very large bit, especially the deck armour. 600mm, although it will guarantee no penetration of anything, is simply too much for a 216-metres-long ship displacing 52,561 tons and going at a maximum speed of 24 knots. Other then that, I believe we are good to go.
Thank you very much.

[Rustyal]

I would've like to thank you very much; however, there are some people of this RP that don't entirely agree to my app, so I can only wait until tomorrow to find out whether or not Selkie will take a double take and either deny or just tell me to make some modifications to have me accepted again.

I slept on it and reviewed what I knew in my head a little bit, and I would like to ask you all to forgive me for any inconvinience I might have caused to you, Yekrenia, and the other players in this RP. I really, really shouldn't review applications that late at night...
(I'm from the Central European Time Zone, more precisely from merry ol' Germany. By the time of this post, it was 1:31 a.m. for me.)

As for the matter at hand, namely Lanza Blanca, please reduce the overall armour a very large bit, especially the deck armour. 600mm, although it will guarantee no penetration of anything, is simply too much for a 216-metres-long ship displacing 52,561 tons and going at a maximum speed of 24 knots. Other then that, I believe we are good to go.
Thank you very much.

I agree. It's also way more than necessary. Even Catherine has more than necessary, she actually shares the "same" amount. And she weights 900,000 tons, so. She's also horribly underarmed for her size. If enemy vessels fire enough HE at you, your armor will begin shattering. With 16.7 [odd caliber] inch guns, you won't last very long without support.
Also, your guns shouldn't be off-center. It's a technical nightmare to design a ship like that, and you can capsize easier. Plus, with the addition of HMS Dreadnought in 1906, you would think that one would put more than 4 main-caliber guns on a ship?

[The Cross and Davids Star]

I slept on it and reviewed what I knew in my head a little bit, and I would like to ask you all to forgive me for any inconvinience I might have caused to you, Yekrenia, and the other players in this RP. I really, really shouldn't review applications that late at night...
(I'm from the Central European Time Zone, more precisely from merry ol' Germany. By the time of this post, it was 1:31 a.m. for me.)

As for the matter at hand, namely Lanza Blanca, please reduce the overall armour a very large bit, especially the deck armour. 600mm, although it will guarantee no penetration of anything, is simply too much for a 216-metres-long ship displacing 52,561 tons and going at a maximum speed of 24 knots. Other then that, I believe we are good to go.
Thank you very much.

I agree. It's also way more than necessary. Even Catherine has more than necessary, she actually shares the "same" amount. And she weights 900,000 tons, so. She's also horribly underarmed for her size. If enemy vessels fire enough HE at you, your armor will begin shattering. With 16.7 [odd caliber] inch guns, you won't last very long without support.
Also, your guns shouldn't be off-center. It's a technical nightmare to design a ship like that, and you can capsize easier. Plus, with the addition of HMS Dreadnought in 1906, you would think that one would put more than 4 main-caliber guns on a ship?

I agree with the offcenter guns. Unless your using a catamaran design, it's gonna be a bitch to not capsize.

[New Antonalia]

302nd Coastal Defense Battery, 400 fairies
4 Companies, 2 Artillery Batteries, 1 support, 1 logistics company

Equipment:
Support Vehicles:
ZIS-43 Half-Track
ZIS-5 Truck

Artillary
x10 180 mm Pattern 1931 Cannons

Support
x15 37 mm 61-K Anti Aircraft Gun
x5 85 mm 52-K Anti Aircraft Gun

Small Arms
Mosin-Nagant 91/30 bolt action rifle
Sudayev PPSh-43 sub machine gun (Officers and Political Officers only)
Tula-Tokarev TT-33 Pistol (Officers and Political Officers only)
Nagant M1895 Revolver (Rechambered for 7.62x25 mm Tokarev)

[The Selkie]

302nd Coastal Defense Battery, 400 fairies
4 Companies, 2 Artillery Batteries, 1 support, 1 logistics company

Equipment:
Support Vehicles:
ZIS-43 Half-Track
ZIS-5 Truck

Artillary
x10 180 mm Pattern 1931 Cannons

Support
x15 37 mm 61-K Anti Aircraft Gun
x5 85 mm 52-K Anti Aircraft Gun

Small Arms
Mosin-Nagant 91/30 bolt action rifle
Sudayev PPSh-43 sub machine gun (Officers and Political Officers only)
Tula-Tokarev TT-33 Pistol (Officers and Political Officers only)
Nagant M1895 Revolver (Rechambered for 7.62x25 mm Tokarev)

Accepted. I should really work on a roster for on-base fairy units...
Do you want them to arrive on the second/third day or do you want to have them already there? I mean, we have coastal artillery defenses, but never ever specified upon them, so there would be the possibility.

[The Selkie]

Personell file - Operational Sector Wide Sea - South West

Name: Armada Republicana Yqraniana (ARY) - Lanza Blanca ("White Lance")
Type:
- Pre Dreadnought Battleship (Until 1923)
- Super Dreadnought / Standard Battleship (Current)
Class: Lanza Blanca Class Battleship (Lead Ship)
Role:
- Capital Ship (until the end of WWII)
- Fleet Battleship (until 1919)
- Escort Battleship
- Heavy Fire Support
Nation of Origin: People's Republic of Yekrenia (Yekrenese Spanish, "Republica Popular Yqraniana")
Year Commissioned: 1902
Image or description of the ship girl/boy: Una Hermosa Caballera
Gender: Female
Character: Lanza Blanca is a woman who normally keeps her emotions in check, rarely demonstrating her feelings even when given the chance. Oddly enough, Lanza Blanca is very sarcastic and talks back to people when she needs to - something that made more modern battleships think twice in bad-mouthing and criticizing her antiquated design. While Lanza Blanca is not a masochist, she has a extraordinary pain threshold, since she not only survived multiple torpedo hits in both World Wars, but also hits from German vessels and aircraft alike - earning her the nickname among her crews, Madrina de Hierro ("Iron Godmother"). Contrary to the myth of Lanza Blanca's invincibility, Lanza Blanca actually had been trained and raised to tolerate pain and abuse, which even including getting shot at by her own friendly ships as target practice without flinching and then sail about the seas (fully repaired of course) as if nothing happened. Unfortunately, Lanza Blanca shows clear disdain of her training and cruel treatment back then, even going so far as to testing other ship girl's/boy's pain threshold (at their consent of course); however, Lanza Blanca is a reasonable fighter among her peers, showing honor and respect to an extent where she helps her peers back up after testing their pain threshold.
Special Abilities: Fiel Caballera ("Faithful Knight") - Lanza Blanca can utilize the armor and prestige of her knightly heritage to strike hopelessness and terror in the abyssals, essentially making herself appear and fight like a juggernaut to the enemy.

Technical Description of the Vessel:

Technical Data
Displacement: 52,561 Tons
Length (overall): 216m (708ft)
Width: 28.67m (94ft)
Draught: 9.7m (32ft)
Propulsion: 20 Boilers (Coal-Fired), 4 Uniflow Engines, 4 Shafts
Speed: 24 Knots
Complement: 1,184 to 2,204
Armament:
- 2 x Twin-Barreled 16.7in Naval Guns (En Echelon Midsection; 1x Port, 1x Starboard)
- 10 x Twin-Barreled 5in Gun Turrets (3x Front Port and 2x Front Starboard; 3x Rear Starboard and 2x Rear Port)
- 25 x QF 2-Pounder Naval Guns (British-Made; added in 1932)
- 28 x Machine Guns (Originally built with 20 Machine Guns)
Armour:
- 200mm Armored Deck (Integrated with Side Armor)
- 350mm Side Armor (Inclined 14 Degrees)
- 380mm (Main Turrets; All Round; Circular-Shaped Turrets)
Aircraft Carried: 4 x Arado Ar 196 (German-Imported; Pre-1940)
Aviation Facilities: 2 x Catapults (Added in 1932)
Notes: Armor thickness was kept a state secret until 2003. Interestingly, Lanza Blanca was once a close friend to the Bismarck Class Battleship; however, after the sinking of the HMS Hood, Lanza Blanca (as well as Yekrenia all together) took vengeance and showed bitter resentment to all German ships until the beginning of the Cold War. She came equipped with gyros upon emerging from her modernization; however, the gyros proved useless in improving accuracy, rather they only increased her stability.

OOC-section:
RP-Sample: Last IC Post
Have you read and understood the rules?: Ahead Flank!

Please excuse the double-post, but Yekrenia reworked his app, mainly by reducing the armour considerably (although the deck armour is still very thick), which now sounds good to me. Yekrenia, accepted!
Glad to have you onboard. And sorry it took so long...

[North Arkana]

Radar will only detect surface submarines. Resolution isn't high enough to pick out a periscope among the waves, especially with WW2, and slightly post-war levels of radar.

[Bentus]

Radar will only detect surface submarines. Resolution isn't high enough to pick out a periscope among the waves, especially with WW2, and slightly post-war levels of radar.

Eh, radar, sonar - imo if we're dealing with warships condensed into human bodies of the ages of 15-30 we can overlook such nuances Though I wonder how advanced sonars were in WW2, I admit that it's not an area that I know much about.

Edit: Hmm, maybe sonar buoys? Actually, can planes deploy sonar buoys at all - I feel like that'll screw up their aerodynamics.

[North Arkana]

Radar will only detect surface submarines. Resolution isn't high enough to pick out a periscope among the waves, especially with WW2, and slightly post-war levels of radar.

Eh, radar, sonar - imo if we're dealing with warships condensed into human bodies of the ages of 15-30 we can overlook such nuances Though I wonder how advanced sonars were in WW2, I admit that it's not an area that I know much about.

Edit: Hmm, maybe sonar buoys? Actually, can planes deploy sonar buoys at all - I feel like that'll screw up their aerodynamics.

Higher frequency sound, almost invariably of the type within the human range of hearing due to lack of computers, meaning significantly less effective than modern sonar.

[Legatia]

Eh, radar, sonar - imo if we're dealing with warships condensed into human bodies of the ages of 15-30 we can overlook such nuances Though I wonder how advanced sonars were in WW2, I admit that it's not an area that I know much about.

Edit: Hmm, maybe sonar buoys? Actually, can planes deploy sonar buoys at all - I feel like that'll screw up their aerodynamics.

Higher frequency sound, almost invariably of the type within the human range of hearing due to lack of computers, meaning significantly less effective than modern sonar.

Sonar will still very much work, considering that if you're close enough to accurately fire torpedoes you're likely close enough to become detected.

[The Selkie]

Radar will only detect surface submarines. Resolution isn't high enough to pick out a periscope among the waves, especially with WW2, and slightly post-war levels of radar.

Eh, radar, sonar - imo if we're dealing with warships condensed into human bodies of the ages of 15-30 we can overlook such nuances Though I wonder how advanced sonars were in WW2, I admit that it's not an area that I know much about.

Edit: Hmm, maybe sonar buoys? Actually, can planes deploy sonar buoys at all - I feel like that'll screw up their aerodynamics.

They could deploy Sonar buoys and to my knowledge, they did.
Anyway, as for radar detecting periscopes - you are right, NA-II, the detection capabilities of radar on subs is limited to more substantial parts of the submarine being above the surface, my bad and apologies for any confusion on your end.

[North Arkana]

Higher frequency sound, almost invariably of the type within the human range of hearing due to lack of computers, meaning significantly less effective than modern sonar.

Sonar will still very much work, considering that if you're close enough to accurately fire torpedoes you're likely close enough to become detected.

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/S/o/Sonar.htm

Detecting a submarine with hydrophones was quite difficult, and detecting it with sonar was all but but impossible. Sonar was highly directional. This allowed sonar to get a good bearing on its target, but it also limited the usefulness of sonar for search, since it took several seconds to listen for a return on a single bearing. The sonars of the Pacific War were thus fire control systems rather than search systems, with effective search sonars not becoming available until 1946. Range was also limited, rarely exceeding 3000 yards (2700m) even under the most favorable conditions. Sonar was generally ineffective at speeds over about 10 knots, requiring "sprint and drift" tactics in which the antisubmarine warship had to periodically slow almost to a stop to make best use of its sonar. Sonar could not determine depth with any accuracy and was unable to track a target immediately underneath it.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.php#21%22_%2853.3_cm%29_Mark_16

Ship Class Used On Submarines
Date Of Design 1944
Date In Service 1945
Weight Mod 0: 3,895 lbs. (1,766 kg)
Mod 1: 3,922 lbs. (1,799 kg)
Overall Length 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Explosive Charge Mod 0: 1,260 lbs. (572 kg) TPX
Mod 1: 960 lbs. (435 kg) HBX
Range / Speed Mod 0: 7,000 yards (6,400 m) / 46 knots
Mod 1: 11,500 yards (10,500 m) / 46 knots
Power Hydrogen Peroxide (Navol) turbine
Guidance Mark 12 Mod 3 gyro

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_PostWWII.php#21%22_%2853.3_cm%29_Mark_38

Ship Class Used On Submarine
Date Of Design 1950s
Date In Service Not in service
Weight 3,008 lbs. (1,3,64 kg)
Overall Length 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Explosive Charge 550 lbs. (249 kg) HBX
Range / Speed 10,000 yards (9,140 m) / 35 knots
Power Electric-Battery, seawater
Guidance Active and passive acoustic

[Legatia]

Sonar will still very much work, considering that if you're close enough to accurately fire torpedoes you're likely close enough to become detected.

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/S/o/Sonar.htm

Detecting a submarine with hydrophones was quite difficult, and detecting it with sonar was all but but impossible. Sonar was highly directional. This allowed sonar to get a good bearing on its target, but it also limited the usefulness of sonar for search, since it took several seconds to listen for a return on a single bearing. The sonars of the Pacific War were thus fire control systems rather than search systems, with effective search sonars not becoming available until 1946. Range was also limited, rarely exceeding 3000 yards (2700m) even under the most favorable conditions. Sonar was generally ineffective at speeds over about 10 knots, requiring "sprint and drift" tactics in which the antisubmarine warship had to periodically slow almost to a stop to make best use of its sonar. Sonar could not determine depth with any accuracy and was unable to track a target immediately underneath it.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.php#21%22_%2853.3_cm%29_Mark_16

Ship Class Used On Submarines
Date Of Design 1944
Date In Service 1945
Weight Mod 0: 3,895 lbs. (1,766 kg)
Mod 1: 3,922 lbs. (1,799 kg)
Overall Length 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Explosive Charge Mod 0: 1,260 lbs. (572 kg) TPX
Mod 1: 960 lbs. (435 kg) HBX
Range / Speed Mod 0: 7,000 yards (6,400 m) / 46 knots
Mod 1: 11,500 yards (10,500 m) / 46 knots
Power Hydrogen Peroxide (Navol) turbine
Guidance Mark 12 Mod 3 gyro

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_PostWWII.php#21%22_%2853.3_cm%29_Mark_38

Ship Class Used On Submarine
Date Of Design 1950s
Date In Service Not in service
Weight 3,008 lbs. (1,3,64 kg)
Overall Length 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Explosive Charge 550 lbs. (249 kg) HBX
Range / Speed 10,000 yards (9,140 m) / 35 knots
Power Electric-Battery, seawater
Guidance Active and passive acoustic

The limit on technology within the application is 1950s, which makes the usage of advanced immediate postwar sonar viable to exceed such a range.Additionally, if sonobuoys are used, if a submarine comes close to them they will be detected since it is difficult to individually detect them.

[The Selkie]

Sonar will still very much work, considering that if you're close enough to accurately fire torpedoes you're likely close enough to become detected.

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/S/o/Sonar.htm

Detecting a submarine with hydrophones was quite difficult, and detecting it with sonar was all but but impossible. Sonar was highly directional. This allowed sonar to get a good bearing on its target, but it also limited the usefulness of sonar for search, since it took several seconds to listen for a return on a single bearing. The sonars of the Pacific War were thus fire control systems rather than search systems, with effective search sonars not becoming available until 1946. Range was also limited, rarely exceeding 3000 yards (2700m) even under the most favorable conditions. Sonar was generally ineffective at speeds over about 10 knots, requiring "sprint and drift" tactics in which the antisubmarine warship had to periodically slow almost to a stop to make best use of its sonar. Sonar could not determine depth with any accuracy and was unable to track a target immediately underneath it.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.php#21%22_%2853.3_cm%29_Mark_16

Ship Class Used On Submarines
Date Of Design 1944
Date In Service 1945
Weight Mod 0: 3,895 lbs. (1,766 kg)
Mod 1: 3,922 lbs. (1,799 kg)
Overall Length 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Explosive Charge Mod 0: 1,260 lbs. (572 kg) TPX
Mod 1: 960 lbs. (435 kg) HBX
Range / Speed Mod 0: 7,000 yards (6,400 m) / 46 knots
Mod 1: 11,500 yards (10,500 m) / 46 knots
Power Hydrogen Peroxide (Navol) turbine
Guidance Mark 12 Mod 3 gyro

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_PostWWII.php#21%22_%2853.3_cm%29_Mark_38

Ship Class Used On Submarine
Date Of Design 1950s
Date In Service Not in service
Weight 3,008 lbs. (1,3,64 kg)
Overall Length 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Explosive Charge 550 lbs. (249 kg) HBX
Range / Speed 10,000 yards (9,140 m) / 35 knots
Power Electric-Battery, seawater
Guidance Active and passive acoustic

NA-II, one small problem: Only because a weapon, in this case a torpedo, can be used at a maximum range did not mean, that it was in fact used at this maximum range. In fact, US Navy Submarines of WW2 usually fired their Mark 14 torpedoes at Japanese merchantmen at a range of 550 to 2,300 metres, German submarines were closer to these 550 metres by doctrine, although it appears as if they also fired from further away - both far below the maximum ranges of their respective weapons.
Abgrund's main problem will be to predict, where Whona and K 591 are by the time her torpedoes are there.
Now, one could argue, that due to her guidance system, capable of active acoustic homing (which also has a rather limited range), the Mark 38 has a substantial advantage, but it does not. A sonar, and K 591 has one, not only sends out pulses actively, but also detects other pulses send out, for example by other active seekers - and when listening passively, it searches for exactly these pulses. Also, depending on the running depth of the Mark 38, one might be able to spot the torpedo in question and take evasive action.
Also, Abgrund should be very well aware, that the moment she fires one torpedo, said torpedo will be gone without replacement. As already well established, due to Horizon's hissy fit the North Arkanans are operating on even very, very limited supplies in fuel, ammunition and basically everything, including spare parts.

(Source for the torpedo argument.)

[North Arkana]

http://pwencycl.kgbudge.com/S/o/Sonar.htm

Detecting a submarine with hydrophones was quite difficult, and detecting it with sonar was all but but impossible. Sonar was highly directional. This allowed sonar to get a good bearing on its target, but it also limited the usefulness of sonar for search, since it took several seconds to listen for a return on a single bearing. The sonars of the Pacific War were thus fire control systems rather than search systems, with effective search sonars not becoming available until 1946. Range was also limited, rarely exceeding 3000 yards (2700m) even under the most favorable conditions. Sonar was generally ineffective at speeds over about 10 knots, requiring "sprint and drift" tactics in which the antisubmarine warship had to periodically slow almost to a stop to make best use of its sonar. Sonar could not determine depth with any accuracy and was unable to track a target immediately underneath it.

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.php#21%22_%2853.3_cm%29_Mark_16

Ship Class Used On Submarines
Date Of Design 1944
Date In Service 1945
Weight Mod 0: 3,895 lbs. (1,766 kg)
Mod 1: 3,922 lbs. (1,799 kg)
Overall Length 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Explosive Charge Mod 0: 1,260 lbs. (572 kg) TPX
Mod 1: 960 lbs. (435 kg) HBX
Range / Speed Mod 0: 7,000 yards (6,400 m) / 46 knots
Mod 1: 11,500 yards (10,500 m) / 46 knots
Power Hydrogen Peroxide (Navol) turbine
Guidance Mark 12 Mod 3 gyro

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_PostWWII.php#21%22_%2853.3_cm%29_Mark_38

Ship Class Used On Submarine
Date Of Design 1950s
Date In Service Not in service
Weight 3,008 lbs. (1,3,64 kg)
Overall Length 20 ft 6 in (6.248 m)
Explosive Charge 550 lbs. (249 kg) HBX
Range / Speed 10,000 yards (9,140 m) / 35 knots
Power Electric-Battery, seawater
Guidance Active and passive acoustic

NA-II, one small problem: Only because a weapon, in this case a torpedo, can be used at a maximum range did not mean, that it was in fact used at this maximum range. In fact, US Navy Submarines of WW2 usually fired their Mark 14 torpedoes at Japanese merchantmen at a range of 550 to 2,300 metres, German submarines were closer to these 550 metres by doctrine, although it appears as if they also fired from further away - both far below the maximum ranges of their respective weapons.
Abgrund's main problem will be to predict, where Whona and K 591 are by the time her torpedoes are there.
Now, one could argue, that due to her guidance system, capable of active acoustic homing (which also has a rather limited range), the Mark 38 has a substantial advantage, but it does not. A sonar, and K 591 has one, not only sends out pulses actively, but also detects other pulses send out, for example by other active seekers - and when listening passively, it searches for exactly these pulses. Also, depending on the running depth of the Mark 38, one might be able to spot the torpedo in question and take evasive action.
Also, Abgrund should be very well aware, that the moment she fires one torpedo, said torpedo will be gone without replacement. As already well established, due to Horizon's hissy fit the North Arkanans are operating on even very, very limited supplies in fuel, ammunition and basically everything, including spare parts.

(Source for the torpedo argument.)

The Mk38 can operate in passive setting as well. Any use of sonar would cause the torpedo to home in on the source of that sonar, and with both vessels traveling at high speed, they're producing too much noise to even use their own sonar, passive or active, while also making enough noise for the passive sonar on the torpedo to home in on them.

And honestly? Fuck off with that hissy fit shit. You know it does nothing but pointlessly antagonize me, so cut it out.

The limit on technology within the application is 1950s, which makes the usage of advanced immediate postwar sonar viable to exceed such a range.Additionally, if sonobuoys are used, if a submarine comes close to them they will be detected since it is difficult to individually detect them.

Then source the ranges for 50s era sonar.

Because this is the only source I've found which gives any hard numbers so far, http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA517563
And this is what is says:

The goal of the AN/SQS-23
sonar was to provide a standoff engagement capability
to its ship, which was then being equipped
with the ASROC (anti-submarine rocket) system
with a nominal range of about 5 nmi, which was
introduced in 1961.

The speed limit on how fast a ship can be going and still use sonar to any degree of usefulness is still fully in effect.