Gun Control

[Valgora]

It's incredibly difficult to make and pass amendments.

Article V of the Constitution:

"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."

So you don't have to read all of it because I wouldn't want to either:

"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments ... ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress ..."

If it gets crazy enough that one amendment can be repealed, there's no doubt in my mind that congress would be crazy enough to repeal others. If the Democrats get the majority, and vote to repeal gun rights, whats to stop them from banning conservative ideologies next? they've already proven they have the numbers to repeal an ammendmant

Prohibition was different " and was justly banned" as it was causing massive problems in the country. Guns and free speech don't cause nearly the same amount of problems. No matter what the propaganda outlets say.

I'm just letting you know that it can be changed. And that it is very difficult to do so.
Having a majority in Congress ain't gonna get an amendment. 2/3 is difficult to get; hell, just 50% can be difficult to get.
Then the states need to ratify it.

You don't have that much to worry about. Plus, if we have guns, we can defend our first amendment rights.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Do you even fucking know what these amendments are?
Do you know what they fuckin' do?

Because I'm pretty sure you have no fuckin' idea.


Do you want prohibition back? Because that's what the 21st Amendment ended.

The 3A violation will never happen again

I've literally never heard someone complain about this amendment before. Why exactly do you want it gone?

[Greater Redosia]

Do you even fucking know what these amendments are?
Do you know what they fuckin' do?

Because I'm pretty sure you have no fuckin' idea.


Do you want prohibition back? Because that's what the 21st Amendment ended.

Yes I want the ban of alcohol gone #IncreaseofOrganizedCrime, #IncreaseofMafia, #putallthepeoplewhoworkforalcoholcompaniesoutofthejobsincethealcoholindustryprovidesalotofjobstopeople

I fixed it. For that is what happened when prohibition came in.

[Telconi]

The 3A violation will never happen again

I've literally never heard someone complain about this amendment before. Why exactly do you want it gone?

It would prevent him from implementing his dystopian police state.

Don't need a warrant if the gestapo lives in your house!

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I've literally never heard someone complain about this amendment before. Why exactly do you want it gone?

It would prevent him from implementing his dystopian police state.

Don't need a warrant if the gestapo lives in your house!

I mean, if that is his goal, sure. But I'm sitting here honestly trying to think of a reason that matches the conventional American mindset and I just can't.

[Genivaria]

It would prevent him from implementing his dystopian police state.

Don't need a warrant if the gestapo lives in your house!

I mean, if that is his goal, sure. But I'm sitting here honestly trying to think of a reason that matches the conventional American mindset and I just can't.

Keshi is not a conventional American by any stretch. Thank goodness.

[Telconi]

It would prevent him from implementing his dystopian police state.

Don't need a warrant if the gestapo lives in your house!

I mean, if that is his goal, sure. But I'm sitting here honestly trying to think of a reason that matches the conventional American mindset and I just can't.

You've mistakenly presumed Keshiland has aNY thing close to the typical American mindset. He has advocated for literal police states with standing authorization to search any and all property at any time. To search for a massive list of things he would outlaw.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I mean, if that is his goal, sure. But I'm sitting here honestly trying to think of a reason that matches the conventional American mindset and I just can't.

You've mistakenly presumed Keshiland has aNY thing close to the typical American mindset. He has advocated for literal police states with standing authorization to search any and all property at any time. To search for a massive list of things he would outlaw.

So, he's a Stalinist?

[Telconi]

You've mistakenly presumed Keshiland has aNY thing close to the typical American mindset. He has advocated for literal police states with standing authorization to search any and all property at any time. To search for a massive list of things he would outlaw.

So, he's a Stalinist?

He makes Stalin look like a mildly strict conservative.

[Calixicanuss]

I mean, if that is his goal, sure. But I'm sitting here honestly trying to think of a reason that matches the conventional American mindset and I just can't.

You've mistakenly presumed Keshiland has aNY thing close to the typical American mindset. He has advocated for literal police states with standing authorization to search any and all property at any time. To search for a massive list of things he would outlaw.

lol, it sound like a parody nationstate.

[Thermodolia]

You've mistakenly presumed Keshiland has aNY thing close to the typical American mindset. He has advocated for literal police states with standing authorization to search any and all property at any time. To search for a massive list of things he would outlaw.

So, he's a Stalinist?

Pretty much

[Genivaria]

You've mistakenly presumed Keshiland has aNY thing close to the typical American mindset. He has advocated for literal police states with standing authorization to search any and all property at any time. To search for a massive list of things he would outlaw.

So, he's a Stalinist?

Well...Totalitarian.

[Republic of Keshiland]

Sounds like grid lock and worse waiting to happen.

That is the strategy. To do everything possible to make it implode even to the point where we are presidentless for over a year so that people will get to the point where they will ask for the ducking popular vote to end the ducking election and remove the EC.

Why? Very democratic.

Because it removes gerrymandering.

Didn't work the first time, won't work the second. Also, aren't you in favor of legalizing most drugs?

I am in favour of legalising weed, sending users of all other illegal drugs to therapy to make them better and criminalising tobacco and alcohol, since the users of the last 2 are far more violent and dangerous then the rest

[Valgora]

You've mistakenly presumed Keshiland has aNY thing close to the typical American mindset. He has advocated for literal police states with standing authorization to search any and all property at any time. To search for a massive list of things he would outlaw.

So, he's a Stalinist?

Not even American Stalinists are against guns.

The American Party of Labor, which is Hoxhaist, is against gun control.

[Calixicanuss]

Sounds like grid lock and worse waiting to happen.

That is the strategy. To do everything possible to make it implode even to the point where we are presidentless for over a year so that people will get to the point where they will ask for the ducking popular vote to end the ducking election and remove the EC.

Why? Very democratic.

Because it removes gerrymandering.

Didn't work the first time, won't work the second. Also, aren't you in favor of legalizing most drugs?

I am in favour of legalising weed, sending users of all other illegal drugs to therapy to make them better and criminalising tobacco and alcohol, since the users of the last 2 are far more violent and dangerous then the rest

"Tobacco more violent than heroin"

Your joking right? heroin addicts will commit mass murder if it means getting their fix.

Most a tobacco addict will do is be really grouchy.

[Greater Redosia]

Sounds like grid lock and worse waiting to happen.

That is the strategy. To do everything possible to make it implode even to the point where we are presidentless for over a year so that people will get to the point where they will ask for the ducking popular vote to end the ducking election and remove the EC.

Why? Very democratic.

Because it removes gerrymandering.

Didn't work the first time, won't work the second. Also, aren't you in favor of legalizing most drugs?

I am in favour of legalising weed, sending users of all other illegal drugs to therapy to make them better and criminalising tobacco and alcohol, since the users of the last 2 are far more violent and dangerous then the rest

Keshiland ever heard of the economy, it's shouting your name. it's saying "The Economy would literally implode due to lack of tobacco and alcohol since they make up a pretty nice amount of employed people and amount of money being brought in.

[Republic of Keshiland]

That is the strategy. To do everything possible to make it implode even to the point where we are presidentless for over a year so that people will get to the point where they will ask for the ducking popular vote to end the ducking election and remove the EC.



Because it removes gerrymandering.



I am in favour of legalising weed, sending users of all other illegal drugs to therapy to make them better and criminalising tobacco and alcohol, since the users of the last 2 are far more violent and dangerous then the rest

Keshiland ever heard of the economy, it's shouting your name. it's saying "The Economy would literally implode due to lack of tobacco and alcohol since they make up a pretty nice amount of employed people and amount of money being brought in.

Weed is more profitable then tobacco and alcohol its been proven in states where its legal

[Thermodolia]

Sounds like grid lock and worse waiting to happen.

That is the strategy. To do everything possible to make it implode even to the point where we are presidentless for over a year so that people will get to the point where they will ask for the ducking popular vote to end the ducking election and remove the EC.

Why? Very democratic.

Because it removes gerrymandering.

You do know that the senate can't be gerrymandered as there are no senate districts. Also by removing the 17th you have just effectively made the senate gerrymanderable because the state legislatures elect them.

[Republic of Keshiland]

That is the strategy. To do everything possible to make it implode even to the point where we are presidentless for over a year so that people will get to the point where they will ask for the ducking popular vote to end the ducking election and remove the EC.



Because it removes gerrymandering.

You do know that the senate can't be gerrymandered as there are no senate districts. Also by removing the 17th you have just effectively made the senate gerrymanderable because the state legislatures elect them.

I know I meant to have a pre 17th amendment situation for the representatives but with the governor, not the legislature appointing them.

[Ifreann]

No amount of knowing about guns will stop someone from using a gun to kill themselves. Not having a gun, however, can stop someone from using a gun to kill themselves. And since being suicidal is not a permanent, inescapable condition, someone not being able to kill themselves immediately might never kill themselves at all.

Knowing how to use a gun lessens the chance for one to shoot themself. I said nothing about suicide.

How do you imagine that people usually use a gun to commit suicide? Self-inflicted blunt force trauma?

Besides you can kill yourself by:
- drinking bleach
- hanging yourself
- running in front of a fast moving vehicle
- jumping off a very tall object
- seppuku

You get the point?

Do you? All of those are either more likely to fail or more difficult to do than shooting oneself. And, as I said, if someone cannot kill themselves right away when they are feeling suicidal then they may not kill themselves at all.

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Actually, you do have grounds to do it.
However, the requires the process of creating a new amendment to repeal an old one. Which, if we're talking about guns, ain't gonna happen.

It sets a bad precedent, if one bill can be repealed, others will surely follow.

Democracy is flip flop-pity, one bad year and you can have drastic changes "look at the differences between U.S when Obama was president, and now the differences that we have trump"

One bad year can bring back all sorts of nasty things, as long as the person proposing them has enough charisma and memes.

The constitution protects us from shit like that, you start changing it, there is no shield.

The Constitution has provisions for amendments, which have been used several times. When, exactly, should we expect the whole thing to be repealed?

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No amount of knowing about guns will stop someone from using a gun to kill themselves. Not having a gun, however, can stop someone from using a gun to kill themselves. And since being suicidal is not a permanent, inescapable condition, someone not being able to kill themselves immediately might never kill themselves at all.

But what about when having a gun stops a person from killing themselves?

I have no idea how that could happen.

[Valgora]

Keshiland ever heard of the economy, it's shouting your name. it's saying "The Economy would literally implode due to lack of tobacco and alcohol since they make up a pretty nice amount of employed people and amount of money being brought in.

Weed is more profitable then tobacco and alcohol its been proven in states where its legal

Well... you're not wrong.

But we shouldn't ban alcohol or tobacco.
Although, we could ban the usage of chemicals that are added to cigarettes.

[Ifreann]

You do know that the senate can't be gerrymandered as there are no senate districts. Also by removing the 17th you have just effectively made the senate gerrymanderable because the state legislatures elect them.

I know I meant to have a pre 17th amendment situation for the representatives but with the governor, not the legislature appointing them.

As entertaining as I'm sure your ideas on reforming American democracy are, they have nothing to do with gun control.

[Sovaal]

Keshiland ever heard of the economy, it's shouting your name. it's saying "The Economy would literally implode due to lack of tobacco and alcohol since they make up a pretty nice amount of employed people and amount of money being brought in.

Weed is more profitable then tobacco and alcohol its been proven in states where its legal

So drunk drivers are bad, and alcohol needs to be banned, but weed is good, and high drivers are fine?

[Thermodolia]

Keshiland ever heard of the economy, it's shouting your name. it's saying "The Economy would literally implode due to lack of tobacco and alcohol since they make up a pretty nice amount of employed people and amount of money being brought in.

Weed is more profitable then tobacco and alcohol its been proven in states where its legal

And Philip Morris is just going to love you

[Fartsniffage]

I have no idea how that could happen.

They run towards the police and the police do it for them. Same result but not a suicide.