Are upcoming sex robots going to normalize male aggression?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Just be careful when calibrating them. Make sure not to set them to "circumcision" mode.

Well.....I just wonder what messed up stuff the Japanese will figure out to use these bots for.
Just watch Japanese adult entertainment to get an idea, hell, any Japanese entertainment to see how wacky and weird they can be as a culture.
I can't wait.

Sex bot gladiatorial battles for the win!

Not to mention the Anime to come....

Thought we had this sort of thing yeeaaaars ago what with Chobits etc from Japan. I for one welcome our sexbot overlords.
Perhaps.

Anyways, was amazed when RealDolls came out quite a few years back. The detail and all they put into the high-end models is pretty damned amazing. Really, from a 'form you can fuck' up to 'voice track, full articulation, magnetic face replacements for quick-changes' etc ... Yeah, so I looked it back up to see the updates and damn. You got $6k to spend on your personal sex life? Go for it. Not so convinced it encourages men to go out and rape women so much as 'quietly fulfill private fantasies/desires in the comfort of their own homes'. Not sure there's anything really wrong with that.

Now if you could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that somehow sexbots are a 'gateway' to rape, one supposes we'd have to reconsider. Not buying it presently, no pun intended.

[Galloism]

Now if you could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that somehow sexbots are a 'gateway' to rape, one supposes we'd have to reconsider. Not buying it presently, no pun intended.

They've been trying to prove that with porn for years. So far, most evidence is pretty thin, and what evidence isn't thin shows a correlation in the opposite direction.

My suspicion is that sexbots will be similar.

[-Ocelot-]

Well some people are going to be angry towards the existence sex robots but it's not going to be the owners of such devices. Fleshlights and dildos are already a thing and don't seem to have any negative impact on people's psychology. Sex dolls are more or less fleshlights with fake butt and boobs. In other words, toys.

This doesn't seem terribly different from "violent video games will turn our kids into pitiless murderers!"

Seems like they'd just be ways for guys with too much money for their own good to get off in a different way every now and then.

Exactly.

[Vallermoore]

We need RL Stepford wife and Stepford husband robots. Imagine having a bot (both genders having them) who gives you sex on demand, works for you, and never complains or nags. Better then the real thing.

[Galloism]

We need RL Stepford wife and Stepford husband robots. Imagine having a bot (both genders having them) who gives you sex on demand, works for you, and never complains or nags. Better then the real thing.

I just want the "works for me" portion - getting all the housework done.

[Ethel mermania]

We need RL Stepford wife and Stepford husband robots. Imagine having a bot (both genders having them) who gives you sex on demand, works for you, and never complains or nags. Better then the real thing.

I just want the "works for me" portion - getting all the housework done.

50 bucks or I tell nana.

[Zanera]

I just want the "works for me" portion - getting all the housework done.

50 bucks or I tell nana.

That revelation could cost a marriage. I'd up the price if I were you. Extortion and blackmail ftw.

[Siornor]

I mean probably yes, but aggression inflicted upon the robots at least is gonna stop once they start breaking their expensive sex paraphernalia and/or their rods.

[Sovaal]

I just want the "works for me" portion - getting all the housework done.

50 bucks or I tell nana.

100 bucks or I'll tell the kids at the playground you're a tattle tale.

[Galloism]

I just want the "works for me" portion - getting all the housework done.

50 bucks or I tell nana.

You suck at blackmail.

She's already in.

[The Horror Channel]

At least I won't have to put a wig on my toaster anymore.

[Costa Fierro]

Now that one third of German men who said they would like to have sex with a robot can do so.

I give it a week before the local prostitutes complain and the place gets shut down.

[Chessmistress]

Now that one third of German men who said they would like to have sex with a robot can do so.

This is really bad news, because Germany was already a hellhole
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/05/ ... e-ashamed/

And the growth of "sex market" and "red lights districts" is going to hurt ALL women, because they make even worse men's attitudes towards women and that applies even when using realistic sex dolls because those objects are viewed as women by the "customers":
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/joanna- ... 62564.html

The men who made sex noises and heckled us throughout the area were surrounded with enormous visual reminders of what, in their eyes, spelled out the fact that all women are sexual commodities at their disposal. It is this belief, pervasive to varying degrees throughout our society - from rating MPs’ cleavages in the Daily Mail to blaming victims of sexual assault - that underpins an awful lot of the everyday sexism women face.

Unwanted touching, unwanted sexual comments, obsession with female appearance, victim-blaming, slut-shaming, lads’ mags, cat-calling and even rape all boil down to this idea that, although women aren’t supposed to want or enjoy sex, men are entitled to it. Now, I’m not saying that Nuts is a gateway drug to rape, but I am saying that to curb misogyny’s varying effects we have to hit it at its source. And I’m also saying that rape doesn’t disproportionately effect women because men are animals who can’t control their sexual impulses, but because some have been infected by this notion of entitlement.

It’s this entitlement that makes cat-calling so common. If you’re walking down the street, minding your own business, the subconscious of misogyny-infected men is saying “remind that woman that she exists to please you”. It might come out as “I want to finger you” (real example) but it isn’t a compliment. It is for this reason that Nottinghamshire Police Department’s decision to recognise verbal manifestations of misogyny as hate crime is promising, and why its backlash was so inevitably pathetic.

This is just a little example, I can quote MANY sources clearly showing how such trend develops in EVERY "red lights district", making worse men's attitudes towards women.
This trend is even more evident in some parts of East Europe, where, due widespread prostitution, practically ALL normal women are very frequently seen as prostitutes by western men.

I give it a week before the local prostitutes complain and the place gets shut down.

I don't think it'll happen, prostitutes aren't Feminist heroines, they're part of the problem, fuelling a practice that is the worst patriarchal relic currently still legal in the west (particularly in Denmark, Netherlands and Germany), a patriarchal relic that is an exchange based on inequality and it's basically rape through economical coercion.
Sex dolls are going to make things even worse.

Such new worrying trend cannot be dealt by prostitutes, who are part of the problem, requires an effort by Feminists, because the thing is gonna getting out of control even quicker than I thought

This is from October, 3, 2017:
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... ex-robots/

Today I made an important development in the direction of the Campaign that I believe will transform it and help us to communicate our goals and objectives to others.
As the founder and leader of the Campaign I am now going to direct the campaign to argue for and bring about legislation for a BAN on all sex dolls and sex robots of women and girls. This position has been arrived at through careful consideration of all the issues.
There is a kernel in this argument that the dolls & robots are not real (commercially produced artefacts), and therefore, banning them would not help. We have considered this position and worked from it in the first two years of the Campaign, but the reality is, in the larger schemes of the commercialised prostitution trades, where women and girls are traded, and the wider context of misogyny (see 50 million missing girls worldwide, largely in India and China) we now have to realise that the dehumanisation of women is a world problem. There are people campaigning against porn & prostitution and against femicide and we continue to be aligned and connected to these issues because this is all part of the way in which women and girls are dehumanised. We will support their struggles and make connections between theirs and our work. In our own focus, we must develop a narrative in robotics and AI, new fields where misogyny and hatred of women must not take hold.
On Sunday at the FiLiA event I will announce this change in direction. This is Sunday 15th October 2017. I will explain the reasons for this shift in focus and why we need to campaign for a ban on sex dolls and sex robots. A complete ban on sex dolls and sex robots of women and girls.
We have much work to do, I hope you will join me in helping to build the Campaign, and centre the issues of women and girls.


Please join us!

Professor Kathleen Richardson
Founder and leader of the Campaign Against Sex Robots

More here
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... men-girls/

[Costa Fierro]

This is really bad news, because Germany was already a hellhole

So it musty be doing something right if you think it's a "hellhole".

And the growth of "sex market" and "red lights districts" is going to hurt ALL women, because they make even worse men's attitudes towards women and that applies even when using realistic sex dolls because those objects are viewed as women by the "customers":

Once again, prostitution doesn't harm women. But even better, because sex robots are cheaper than prostitutes, women won't be able to compete. So the world's oldest profession will no longer exist in human form. It's a win-win.

This is just a little example, I can quote MANY sources clearly showing how such trend develops in EVERY "red lights district", making worse men's attitudes towards women.

If you didn't want women to be treated like sex objects, don't promote women's promiscuity as "empowerment". If women view themselves as little more than sex objects, then men will do so too. Not that we're complaining because it provides us with a lot of strings-free sex and enough varieties of pornography to sink a Spanish galleon. And for that I am certainly grateful.

This trend is even more evident in some parts of East Europe, where, due widespread prostitution, practically ALL normal women are very frequently seen as prostitutes by western men.

Again, if women see themselves as sex objects, men will do so to. The lack of self respect and dignity pretty much means that they will continue to be seen and treated as such as long as feminism keeps repeating the same tired bullshit that promiscuity is "empowerment".

I don't think it'll happen, prostitutes aren't Feminist heroines, they're part of the problem, fuelling a practice that is the worst patriarchal relic currently still legal in the west (particularly in Denmark, Netherlands and Germany), a patriarchal relic that is an exchange based on inequality and it's basically rape through economical coercion.

"All men are rapists". Well I had to wait a bit to see this trope rear itself (again).

Sex dolls are going to make things even worse.

Why would they? If a man was sexually satisfied with a sex doll, why need a woman? Sex dolls make women redundant sexually. You know that. I know that.

Such new worrying trend cannot be dealt by prostitutes, who are part of the problem, requires an effort by Feminists, because the thing is gonna getting out of control even quicker than I thought

In other words, ban sex dolls to keep men under the yoke of women. That's what it boils down to. Men have options where they don't have to submit to women in order to have sex. That gives men freedom. And you hate that. Feminists hate that. It's not about protecting women from sexism, it's protecting them from their own engineered redundancy.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

This is really bad news, because Germany was already a hellhole

So it musty be doing something right if you think it's a "hellhole".

Letting in migrants probably.

[Ethel mermania]

So it musty be doing something right if you think it's a "hellhole".

Letting in migrants probably.

Allowing sex bots, at least pretend to read the thread.

[Chessmistress]

This is really bad news, because Germany was already a hellhole

So it musty be doing something right if you think it's a "hellhole".

I agree, but sex dolls aren't the right answer, they are the opposite: they reinforce the issue.

And the growth of "sex market" and "red lights districts" is going to hurt ALL women, because they make even worse men's attitudes towards women and that applies even when using realistic sex dolls because those objects are viewed as women by the "customers":

Once again, prostitution doesn't harm women. But even better, because sex robots are cheaper than prostitutes, women won't be able to compete. So the world's oldest profession will no longer exist in human form. It's a win-win.

While sex dolls, apparently, would "protect" women by cutting the demand for human slaves and by so the whole activity sex trafficking, that isn't what's going to happen: sex dolls will further entrench the patriarchal attitudes that are the root of sex trafficking / prostitution.

This is just a little example, I can quote MANY sources clearly showing how such trend develops in EVERY "red lights district", making worse men's attitudes towards women.

If you didn't want women to be treated like sex objects, don't promote women's promiscuity as "empowerment".

Define what is "promiscuity", please.

I suspect that you aren't really using "promiscuity" as "treating women as sex objects", but with a very different meaning: controlling women's sexuality.

Would you agree to a new rape law based on "affirmative ongoing consent" (aka "yes-means-yes") in order to make harder for men to rape women through drunk random sex? Do you agree that a man taking advantage from her intoxication is rape?
Don't you think that such approach would be good to reduce "promiscuity"?

If women view themselves as little more than sex objects, then men will do so too.

This is the very opposite of the reality: it's men who view and treat women as sex objects, and due our society is male-dominated then some women internalize such attitude.

This trend is even more evident in some parts of East Europe, where, due widespread prostitution, practically ALL normal women are very frequently seen as prostitutes by western men.

Again, if women see themselves as sex objects, men will do so to. The lack of self respect and dignity pretty much means that they will continue to be seen and treated as such as long as feminism keeps repeating the same tired bullshit that promiscuity is "empowerment".

Again: please define what do you mean for "promiscuity".

I don't think it'll happen, prostitutes aren't Feminist heroines, they're part of the problem, fuelling a practice that is the worst patriarchal relic currently still legal in the west (particularly in Denmark, Netherlands and Germany), a patriarchal relic that is an exchange based on inequality and it's basically rape through economical coercion.

"All men are rapists". Well I had to wait a bit to see this trope rear itself (again).

No: most men don't buy women's bodies, most men don't use prostitution.

Sex dolls are going to make things even worse.

Why would they? If a man was sexually satisfied with a sex doll, why need a woman?

Sexual abuse is about power, not about sexual satisfaction.
Therefore, men being "sexually satisfied" isn't going to reduce abuse.

Sex dolls make women redundant sexually. You know that. I know that.

Such new worrying trend cannot be dealt by prostitutes, who are part of the problem, requires an effort by Feminists, because the thing is gonna getting out of control even quicker than I thought

In other words, ban sex dolls to keep men under the yoke of women. That's what it boils down to. Men have options where they don't have to submit to women in order to have sex. That gives men freedom. And you hate that. Feminists hate that. It's not about protecting women from sexism, it's protecting them from their own engineered redundancy.

This "argument" is basically misogynistic paranoia, and nothing more: the arguments presented by Dr. Kathleen Richardson are totally unrelated with your claims.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Letting in migrants probably.

Allowing sex bots, at least pretend to read the thread.

She said it was already a hellhole.

[Hirota]

said it before, will say it again:

To prove that upcoming sex robots are going to "normalize male aggression" you'd have to demonstrate a correlative and causal link. No such link exists at this time, so this is in the realm of speculative right now.

I mean, given that there is little to no evidence of video games contributing to violence beyond standard fear-mongering jibber-jabber, you'd have to do a lot better than this to demonstrate anything. Going further back there is little to no evidence of rap music causing violence. There is little to no evidence of rock and roll causing violence.

It's just the next thing for hysterical Mrs Lovejoys around the world to panic over.

[Costa Fierro]

I agree, but sex dolls aren't the right answer, they are the opposite: they reinforce the issue.

They don't. Feminism pushing promiscuity as empowerment does.

While sex dolls, apparently, would "protect" women by cutting the demand for human slaves and by so the whole activity sex trafficking, that isn't what's going to happen: sex dolls will further entrench the patriarchal attitudes that are the root of sex trafficking / prostitution.

No they won't. Sex robots will reduce the demand for prostitutes to nothing, so trafficking will be unprofitable.

Define what is "promiscuity", please.

Promiscuity is the act of being promiscuous, which is defined here.

I suspect that you aren't really using "promiscuity" as "treating women as sex objects", but with a very different meaning: controlling women's sexuality.

One results in the other. Acting in a promiscuous manner results in being treated like a sex object, because that is all some women portray themselves as.

Would you agree to a new rape law based on "affirmative ongoing consent" (aka "yes-means-yes") in order to make harder for men to rape women through drunk random sex? Do you agree that a man taking advantage from her intoxication is rape? Don't you think that such approach would be good to reduce "promiscuity"?

Promiscuity is not a man's responsibility. It is a woman's. It would likely reduce promiscuity due to men simply not wanting to go out and party with women anymore, so women would not have an audience or potential sexual partners from which they gain self-validation.

This is the very opposite of the reality: it's men who view and treat women as sex objects, and due our society is male-dominated then some women internalize such attitude.

Nope. Ever since the sexual liberation period in the 1960's, modern women have increasingly embraced the "dumb bimbo/dumb hoe" attitude towards sex and relationships, where their physical attractiveness and promiscuous behaviour is promoted ahead of personal development, simply because they believe that they're in control of their sexuality and that they are being empowered by acting that way. In reality, they're reverting back to natural instincts in a manner that is present in nearly every single animal species alive, before men introduced social conditioning to demonise female promiscuity to ensure their own reproductive success.

If anything, men have been the ones to regulate female sexuality by putting an emphasis on modesty and chastity, valuing women for more than their looks.

No: most men don't buy women's bodies, most men don't use prostitution.

Then why punish all men?

Sexual abuse is about power, not about sexual satisfaction.

Prostitution is not abuse. And I'm not talking about prostitutes, but women in general. Sex robots will render them redundant.

Therefore, men being "sexually satisfied" isn't going to reduce abuse.

Sex dolls will be a valuable way for men to engage in what they want without harming women, because robots are inanimate objects.

This "argument" is basically misogynistic paranoia, and nothing more: the arguments presented by Dr. Kathleen Richardson are totally unrelated with your claims.

I find it rather ironic that you're calling me paranoid when in fact Western feminism as a movement is acting in an ever increasing paranoid manner when it comes to sex robots because they will make women sexually redundant. And I know you know it because why else would feminists get up in arms about something that reduces harm and prevents abuse from happening to actual women? Because you don't want to be made redundant because you don't want to lose control.

I already know that's what this entire thing is about: feminism's fears that women will no longer have control over men and would therefore be irrelevant in society. Who needs feminism in a future where men don't have sex with women because they can do so in a more satisfactory, risk free way? Women have power over men because they are the gatekeepers of sex, that's why radical feminists like you want to redefine laws and change definitions of what rape is so you can control men further. That's why you want to ban sex bots so more women have to suffer because you can control men further with newer, stricter laws governing their behaviour. Ultimately it's not about protecting women, because you clearly are willing to throw them under the bus when it suits you, but because you don't want to give up that control you have over men.

[Ethel mermania]

Allowing sex bots, at least pretend to read the thread.

She said it was already a hellhole.

Prostitution, read the thead.

[Sovaal]

Now that one third of German men who said they would like to have sex with a robot can do so.

This is really bad news, because Germany was already a hellhole
http://www.feministcurrent.com/2016/05/ ... e-ashamed/

How so? I swear, you feminists start sounding more and more like the far fight every day.

And the growth of "sex market" and "red lights districts" is going to hurt ALL women, because they make even worse men's attitudes towards women

Because ONLY men go there, and ONLY women work there. And since these things have been around pretty much literally forever, I doubt that this'll make things "worse".

and that applies even when using realistic sex dolls because those objects are viewed as women by the "customers":

Rather, I'm would place my money on most people being smart enough to realise that they're robots. just because you can't tell the difference doesn't mean that nobody else can.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/joanna-taylor/amsterdam-red-light-district_b_11362564.html

The men who made sex noises and heckled us throughout the area were surrounded with enormous visual reminders of what, in their eyes, spelled out the fact that all women are sexual commodities at their disposal. It is this belief, pervasive to varying degrees throughout our society - from rating MPs’ cleavages in the Daily Mail to blaming victims of sexual assault - that underpins an awful lot of the everyday sexism women face.

Unwanted touching, unwanted sexual comments, obsession with female appearance, victim-blaming, slut-shaming, lads’ mags, cat-calling and even rape all boil down to this idea that, although women aren’t supposed to want or enjoy sex, men are entitled to it. Now, I’m not saying that Nuts is a gateway drug to rape, but I am saying that to curb misogyny’s varying effects we have to hit it at its source. And I’m also saying that rape doesn’t disproportionately effect women because men are animals who can’t control their sexual impulses, but because some have been infected by this notion of entitlement.

It’s this entitlement that makes cat-calling so common. If you’re walking down the street, minding your own business, the subconscious of misogyny-infected men is saying “remind that woman that she exists to please you”. It might come out as “I want to finger you” (real example) but it isn’t a compliment. It is for this reason that Nottinghamshire Police Department’s decision to recognise verbal manifestations of misogyny as hate crime is promising, and why its backlash was so inevitably pathetic.

Ever thought that maybe there are just shitty people in the world? That maybe it's not the "lad's mags" (what, Playboys? Does the make Playgirls 'gal's mags"?), that maybe it's not the patriarchy infecting men with misogynist propaganda, but rather people being dicks?

This is just a little example, I can quote MANY sources clearly showing how such trend develops in EVERY "red lights district", making worse men's attitudes towards women.

What you just quoted proved nothing of the sort.

This trend is even more evident in some parts of East Europe, where, due widespread prostitution, practically ALL normal women are very frequently seen as prostitutes by western men.

Source? Or are you just making an all sweeping claim?

I give it a week before the local prostitutes complain and the place gets shut down.

I don't think it'll happen, prostitutes aren't Feminist heroines, they're part of the problem, fuelling a practice that is the worst patriarchal relic currently still legal in the west (particularly in Denmark, Netherlands and Germany), a patriarchal relic that is an exchange based on inequality and it's basically rape through economical coercion.
Sex dolls are going to make things even worse.

Yep, how dare women choose how to use their bodies.
I think the normal thing to do would be to blame the rapists, not innocent people who's only crime is being in a profession that you don't particular like.
And sex dolls have been around for a while.

Such new worrying trend cannot be dealt by prostitutes, who are part of the problem, requires an effort by Feminists, because the thing is gonna getting out of control even quicker than I thought

Of course only the enlightened women, such as yourself, know what is truly best for people. Oh forgive me o'wise one!/s

This is from October, 3, 2017:
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... ex-robots/

Today I made an important development in the direction of the Campaign that I believe will transform it and help us to communicate our goals and objectives to others.
As the founder and leader of the Campaign I am now going to direct the campaign to argue for and bring about legislation for a BAN on all sex dolls and sex robots of women and girls.

But not men and boy ones, eh? Of course not.

This position has been arrived at through careful consideration of all the issues.
There is a kernel in this argument that the dolls & robots are not real (commercially produced artefacts), and therefore, banning them would not help. We have considered this position and worked from it in the first two years of the Campaign, but the reality is, in the larger schemes of the commercialised prostitution trades, where women and girls are traded

No men harmed here either, huh?

, and the wider context of misogyny (see 50 million missing girls worldwide, largely in India and China) we now have to realise that the dehumanisation of women is a world problem. There are people campaigning against porn & prostitution and against femicide

[/quote]
One of these is not like the others.

and we continue to be aligned and connected to these issues because this is all part of the way in which women and girls are dehumanised. We will support their struggles and make connections between theirs and our work. In our own focus, we must develop a narrative in robotics and AI, new fields where misogyny and hatred of women must not take hold.
On Sunday at the FiLiA event I will announce this change in direction. This is Sunday 15th October 2017. I will explain the reasons for this shift in focus and why we need to campaign for a ban on sex dolls and sex robots. A complete ban on sex dolls and sex robots of women and girls.

But, again, male sex bots and dolls are just fine, eh?

We have much work to do, I hope you will join me in helping to build the Campaign, and centre the issues of women and girls.


Please join us!

Professor Kathleen Richardson
Founder and leader of the Campaign Against Sex Robots

More here
https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/20 ... men-girls/

And you still have yet to put forth convincing evidence that this is some sort of sex crisis waiting to happen.

[Sovaal]

At least I won't have to put a wig on my toaster anymore.

Your toaster and your genitals appreciate that.

[Ethel mermania]

At least I won't have to put a wig on my toaster anymore.

Your toaster and your genitals appreciate that.

Tbh, the toaster looked better as a blonde