Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[Corrian]

So private corporations being in control of the internet since the 80s has been bad how?

Unchecked corporate control over the internet is a threat to us. There is a reason why those Open Internet rules exist

Then we fix it next election.

[Shazbotdom]

And everything the government controls falls apart. Plus, give me one example (real life) of something like what you are describing happening with links for evidence.

Correction: the Republican Party deliberately sabotages government efforts, then complains about government being broken in what can only be described as a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I asked for evidence...

[Hittanryan]

Your apathy is a cancer to our democracy.

So private corporations being in control of the internet since the 80s has been bad how?

I have a single broadband and cable provider in my town. Their service is slow and unreliable, but expensive. We can't take our business elsewhere because they have a monopoly in the area and can basically set their own price while chintzing out on customer service. This situation is fairly common outside major cities.

So, you know, that could be better.

[The Flutterlands]

Unchecked corporate control over the internet is a threat to us. There is a reason why those Open Internet rules exist

Then we fix it next election.

No. The objective is to not let them win. What makes you think we can fix it next election? What if Congress passes a law that makes Net Neutrality illegal? They sold out our internet privacy to ISPs, why not our internet freedom?

The point is, it's now or never.

[Lady Scylla]

It's sort of funny, I was a minarchist once upon a time. I realised it was insanely stupid.

I was a minarchist for all of 6 months during high school.

Tis a silly, impractical thing.

[Camicon]

Then we fix it next election.

No. The objective is to not let them win. What makes you think we can fix it next election? What if Congress passes a law that makes Net Neutrality illegal? They sold out our internet privacy to ISPs, why not our internet freedom?

The point is, it's now or never.

Do you know why we use elections to choose our leaders, instead of violent revolution?

[Lady Scylla]

Then we fix it next election.

No. The objective is to not let them win. What makes you think we can fix it next election? What if Congress passes a law that makes Net Neutrality illegal? They sold out our internet privacy to ISPs, why not our internet freedom?

The point is, it's now or never.

Ridiculous. That's about as politely as I can possibly put that sort of idea. Really, the only thing that deserves is an eye-roll. You never had privacy under your ISPs, by the way.

[The Flutterlands]

No. The objective is to not let them win. What makes you think we can fix it next election? What if Congress passes a law that makes Net Neutrality illegal? They sold out our internet privacy to ISPs, why not our internet freedom?

The point is, it's now or never.

Do you know why we use elections to choose our leaders, instead of violent revolution?

To make regime change peaceful, but what if the Democratic process, through gerrymandering, closed primsries and purges of voter registration, have become so broken, that it no longer works anymore?

[Lady Scylla]

Do you know why we use elections to choose our leaders, instead of violent revolution?

To make regime change peaceful, but what if the Democratic process, through gerrymandering, closed primsries and purges of voter registration, have become so broken, that it no longer works anymore?

The democratic process is designed to do two things 1) To allow the government to be organic, and to allow shifts in policy 2) To make change difficult so some moron doesn't wreck the entire system in the course of a day

The US system is deliberately broken, largely in thanks to the founding fathers who a) wanted to avoid a tyrant, but also b) didn't want the public to have too much power either. As New Vegas puts it: ''The game was rigged from the start.'' Now suggesting civil war over internet? That's just outright stupidity.

[The Flutterlands]

To make regime change peaceful, but what if the Democratic process, through gerrymandering, closed primsries and purges of voter registration, have become so broken, that it no longer works anymore?

The democratic process is designed to do two things 1) To allow the government to be organic, and to allow shifts in policy 2) To make change difficult so some moron doesn't wreck the entire system in the course of a day

The US system is deliberately broken, largely in thanks to the founding fathers who a) wanted to avoid a tyrant, but also b) didn't want the public to have too much power either. As New Vegas puts it: ''The game was rigged from the start.'' Now suggesting civil war over internet? That's just outright stupidity.

The internet is among the only places where we the people hold free reign. We lose that, we might as well lose our first amendment.

Edit: Also, lot of a good the Founders have done preventing Trump now, huh?

[Lady Scylla]

The democratic process is designed to do two things 1) To allow the government to be organic, and to allow shifts in policy 2) To make change difficult so some moron doesn't wreck the entire system in the course of a day

The US system is deliberately broken, largely in thanks to the founding fathers who a) wanted to avoid a tyrant, but also b) didn't want the public to have too much power either. As New Vegas puts it: ''The game was rigged from the start.'' Now suggesting civil war over internet? That's just outright stupidity.

The internet is among the only places where we the people hold free reign. We lose that, we might as well lose our first amendment.

So when's the next end of the world suppose to be? I'll have to adjust my calendar.

[Shazbotdom]

Then we fix it next election.

No. The objective is to not let them win. What makes you think we can fix it next election? What if Congress passes a law that makes Net Neutrality illegal? They sold out our internet privacy to ISPs, why not our internet freedom?

The point is, it's now or never.

Okay, so the government takes control. Taxes go up for everyone. And sorry but I already get nearly a forth of my check taken out every goddamn month from taxes. Unless you have some magical way to pay for the upkeep without making taxes go up.

My internet bill is $60 a month for 100Mbps Up-speed. That works well with my wife's work and my gaming at the same time.

[Lady Scylla]

The democratic process is designed to do two things 1) To allow the government to be organic, and to allow shifts in policy 2) To make change difficult so some moron doesn't wreck the entire system in the course of a day

The US system is deliberately broken, largely in thanks to the founding fathers who a) wanted to avoid a tyrant, but also b) didn't want the public to have too much power either. As New Vegas puts it: ''The game was rigged from the start.'' Now suggesting civil war over internet? That's just outright stupidity.

The internet is among the only places where we the people hold free reign. We lose that, we might as well lose our first amendment.

Edit: Also, lot of a good the Founders have done preventing Trump now, huh?

Not sure what reason the edit is for, I don't like the US system to begin, and think the founding fathers were idiots. Oh wait, oh no, you bested me, my poor dark soul, gah!

EDIT: And yes, Flutter. I am aware you added to your post. I can read, actually. I do not need the cry for attention via my telegrams, thanks.

[The Flutterlands]

The internet is among the only places where we the people hold free reign. We lose that, we might as well lose our first amendment.

Edit: Also, lot of a good the Founders have done preventing Trump now, huh?

Not sure what reason the edit is for, I don't like the US system to begin, and think the founding fathers were idiots. Oh wait, oh no, you bested me, my poor dark soul, gah!

EDIT: And yes, Flutter. I am aware you added to your post. I can read, actually. I do not need the cry for attention via my telegrams, thanks.

Because the Founding Fathers most likely wanted to prevent him from being President by making the rules.

[Lady Scylla]

Not sure what reason the edit is for, I don't like the US system to begin, and think the founding fathers were idiots. Oh wait, oh no, you bested me, my poor dark soul, gah!

EDIT: And yes, Flutter. I am aware you added to your post. I can read, actually. I do not need the cry for attention via my telegrams, thanks.

Because the Founding Fathers most likely wanted to prevent him from being President by making the rules.

If only they could predict the future in the span of 200 years, life would be so much easier.

[Camicon]

Do you know why we use elections to choose our leaders, instead of violent revolution?

To make regime change peaceful, but what if the Democratic process, through gerrymandering, closed primsries and purges of voter registration, have become so broken, that it no longer works anymore?

No, but close. We do it so that the government has a system in place, which all parties have agreed to, so that there is a peaceful transfer of power. We do it to avoid regime change.

Do you know why we avoid regime change?

[The Flutterlands]

To make regime change peaceful, but what if the Democratic process, through gerrymandering, closed primsries and purges of voter registration, have become so broken, that it no longer works anymore?

No, but close. We do it so that the government has a system in place, which all parties have agreed to, so that there is a peaceful transfer of power. We do it to avoid regime change.

Do you know why we avoid regime change?

Why? Also what if the regime is broken like it is now?

[Lady Scylla]

To make regime change peaceful, but what if the Democratic process, through gerrymandering, closed primsries and purges of voter registration, have become so broken, that it no longer works anymore?

No, but close. We do it so that the government has a system in place, which all parties have agreed to, so that there is a peaceful transfer of power. We do it to avoid regime change.

Do you know why we avoid regime change?

I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that violent regime changes cause losses of large amounts of life, notably in the cases of civilian life. Then there's the major damage to infrastructure, marketshocks, that sort of thing. Can I get a cookie.

[Empire of the United Kingdom]

most intelligent course of action is to just nuke them all to oblivion

[Lady Scylla]

No, but close. We do it so that the government has a system in place, which all parties have agreed to, so that there is a peaceful transfer of power. We do it to avoid regime change.

Do you know why we avoid regime change?

Why? Also what if the regime is broken like it is now?

I feel like this is one of those cases where this statement has been made for the last 200 years.

[Shazbotdom]

Flutterlands,

I'm waiting for your reply to this post...

No. The objective is to not let them win. What makes you think we can fix it next election? What if Congress passes a law that makes Net Neutrality illegal? They sold out our internet privacy to ISPs, why not our internet freedom?

The point is, it's now or never.

Okay, so the government takes control. Taxes go up for everyone. And sorry but I already get nearly a forth of my check taken out every goddamn month from taxes. Unless you have some magical way to pay for the upkeep without making taxes go up.

My internet bill is $60 a month for 100Mbps Up-speed. That works well with my wife's work and my gaming at the same time.

[Camicon]

No, but close. We do it so that the government has a system in place, which all parties have agreed to, so that there is a peaceful transfer of power. We do it to avoid regime change.

Do you know why we avoid regime change?

Why? Also what if the regime is broken like it is now?

I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that violent regime changes cause losses of large amounts of life, notably in the cases of civilian life. Then there's the major damage to infrastructure, marketshocks, that sort of thing. Can I get a cookie.

In one. Yes you may have a cookie.

Also, because one violent regime change normalizes violent regime change. When violent regime change is normalized, you risk entering a downward spiral of violent regime change after violent regime change.

A cycle of violent regime change is bad. Very bad.

[Lady Scylla]

Why? Also what if the regime is broken like it is now?

I wonder if it has something to do with the fact that violent regime changes cause losses of large amounts of life, notably in the cases of civilian life. Then there's the major damage to infrastructure, marketshocks, that sort of thing. Can I get a cookie.

In one. Yes you may have a cookie.

Also, because one violent regime change normalizes violent regime change. When violent regime change is normalized, you risk entering a downward spiral of violent regime change after violent regime change.

A cycle of violent regime change is bad. Very bad.

Yay! Omnomnomnom. I think an excellent, albeit cursory example is that of Revolutionary France.

[Camicon]

In one. Yes you may have a cookie.

Also, because one violent regime change normalizes violent regime change. When violent regime change is normalized, you risk entering a downward spiral of violent regime change after violent regime change.

A cycle of violent regime change is bad. Very bad.

Yay! Omnomnomnom. I think an excellent, albeit cursory example is that of Revolutionary France.

Yup. There's also a number of more modern examples, like CAR.

[Senkaku]

I believe the formula is now officially as follows:

1. The Trump administration does something dumb and/or bad.
2. Flutter calls for civil war, the destruction of the world order, and the death of millions (unless it's about Russia- that's all fake news).
3. Anyone who opposes this is apathetic to the injustice of our corporate oligarch overlords!!!1
4. Wash, rinse, repeat.