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Am I right?

Yeah, mostly, seems agreeable.
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Dunno/Not sure/Not American and I think that matters
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be more restricted.
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Nah, you're crazy. Guns should be less restricted.
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JC Christ CM come back when the meds wear off
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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:21 pm

Clearly there is a disparity here that needs addressing. Mainly that due to having terribly clever and nosy kids, I chose not to risk having a gun in the home. Esp given their penchant for fantasy/sci-fi, video games, and all things crazy that way. And sneaky. Did sneaky get mentioned? Cleverness? The inhuman ability to get into things you never thought they'd be able to? Yeah, that.

Now that they're older, more responsible (hell, one is an adult and out of the house), and understand better the consequences as opposed to 'oooh, shiny', wouldn't mind having one or two or so, head on over to the range and such that's down the road a ways now and then. So there you have it - you all have many, and little ol' me, has none.

We must do something about this egregious oversight, no?

;)

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:29 pm

Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Clearly there is a disparity here that needs addressing. Mainly that due to having terribly clever and nosy kids, I chose not to risk having a gun in the home. Esp given their penchant for fantasy/sci-fi, video games, and all things crazy that way. And sneaky. Did sneaky get mentioned? Cleverness? The inhuman ability to get into things you never thought they'd be able to? Yeah, that.

Now that they're older, more responsible (hell, one is an adult and out of the house), and understand better the consequences as opposed to 'oooh, shiny', wouldn't mind having one or two or so, head on over to the range and such that's down the road a ways now and then. So there you have it - you all have many, and little ol' me, has none.

We must do something about this egregious oversight, no?

;)


With us boys growing up, we were into everything, we were the ones that if something went wrong in the neighborhood, it was us that got blamed. And there were firearms in the house, all easily accessible, same with ammo. Guess we had enough training beat into us, not to mess with them in a misbehaved manner, not to mention the fear of god instilled in us if we did do something, as our father would probably had taken us out to the country side and dispose of us. One of those, shoot, shovel and shut up type things.

Now that I have kids of my own, it was a risk I was willing to take to have firearms in the house, and the same training we boys got growing up, the same is applied to my kids. And now my kids are proficient shooters and handle themselves better than most adults that I know.

Now as far as your issue of being with no firearms, you've got to know someone who is willing to sell one or two?
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White privilege is the belief that white people are responsible for the acts of their ancestors by people who accept no responsibility for the acts of their children.
Gun control advocates suffer from psychological projection -“defending themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others." ; “State Law cannot authorize the violation of Federal Rights”-Justice Alito
Gun control is what you talk about when you don't want to talk about the truth. -Colion Noir
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger). Proud American infidel since the 1970s; FUCK islam, it is incompatible with the US Constitution

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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:51 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Clearly there is a disparity here that needs addressing. Mainly that due to having terribly clever and nosy kids, I chose not to risk having a gun in the home. Esp given their penchant for fantasy/sci-fi, video games, and all things crazy that way. And sneaky. Did sneaky get mentioned? Cleverness? The inhuman ability to get into things you never thought they'd be able to? Yeah, that.

Now that they're older, more responsible (hell, one is an adult and out of the house), and understand better the consequences as opposed to 'oooh, shiny', wouldn't mind having one or two or so, head on over to the range and such that's down the road a ways now and then. So there you have it - you all have many, and little ol' me, has none.

We must do something about this egregious oversight, no?

;)


With us boys growing up, we were into everything, we were the ones that if something went wrong in the neighborhood, it was us that got blamed. And there were firearms in the house, all easily accessible, same with ammo. Guess we had enough training beat into us, not to mess with them in a misbehaved manner, not to mention the fear of god instilled in us if we did do something, as our father would probably had taken us out to the country side and dispose of us. One of those, shoot, shovel and shut up type things.

Now that I have kids of my own, it was a risk I was willing to take to have firearms in the house, and the same training we boys got growing up, the same is applied to my kids. And now my kids are proficient shooters and handle themselves better than most adults that I know.

Now as far as your issue of being with no firearms, you've got to know someone who is willing to sell one or two?


The parents should have been charged with reckless endangerment, endangerment of a minor, and putting a deadly weapon in possession of a minor.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:52 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Telconi wrote:See this is how you do a gun control thread. Talk about all the undocumented private party cash transactions made by children who then carried said gun in their pants pockets into banks, schools, and government offices!


Yep. And the police officers that would see us kids walking down the street with our firearms once in a blue moon, and he would pull over and ask if he could look at them, then say, "be careful out target shooting."

Also, you just know, when keshi reads this, his brain vein is gonna burst. :P


Was out in the sticks shooting pop cans the other day. Sheriff's deputy rolls up on us cuz he heard gunshots (read:he was bored as shit and gunshots is a good excuse to go do something) so we just ended up killing pop cans with a random ass deputy for like an hour.
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:53 pm

Telconi wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Yep. And the police officers that would see us kids walking down the street with our firearms once in a blue moon, and he would pull over and ask if he could look at them, then say, "be careful out target shooting."

Also, you just know, when keshi reads this, his brain vein is gonna burst. :P


Was out in the sticks shooting pop cans the other day. Sheriff's deputy rolls up on us cuz he heardid gunshots (read:he was bored as shit and gunshots is a good excuse to go do something) so we just ended up killing pop cans with a random as deputy for like an hour.


Awesome. Now that is some good public/police relations right there.
White privilege is the belief that white people are responsible for the acts of their ancestors by people who accept no responsibility for the acts of their children.
Gun control advocates suffer from psychological projection -“defending themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others." ; “State Law cannot authorize the violation of Federal Rights”-Justice Alito
Gun control is what you talk about when you don't want to talk about the truth. -Colion Noir
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger). Proud American infidel since the 1970s; FUCK islam, it is incompatible with the US Constitution

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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:54 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Clearly there is a disparity here that needs addressing. Mainly that due to having terribly clever and nosy kids, I chose not to risk having a gun in the home. Esp given their penchant for fantasy/sci-fi, video games, and all things crazy that way. And sneaky. Did sneaky get mentioned? Cleverness? The inhuman ability to get into things you never thought they'd be able to? Yeah, that.

Now that they're older, more responsible (hell, one is an adult and out of the house), and understand better the consequences as opposed to 'oooh, shiny', wouldn't mind having one or two or so, head on over to the range and such that's down the road a ways now and then. So there you have it - you all have many, and little ol' me, has none.

We must do something about this egregious oversight, no?

;)


With us boys growing up, we were into everything, we were the ones that if something went wrong in the neighborhood, it was us that got blamed. And there were firearms in the house, all easily accessible, same with ammo. Guess we had enough training beat into us, not to mess with them in a misbehaved manner, not to mention the fear of god instilled in us if we did do something, as our father would probably had taken us out to the country side and dispose of us. One of those, shoot, shovel and shut up type things.

Now that I have kids of my own, it was a risk I was willing to take to have firearms in the house, and the same training we boys got growing up, the same is applied to my kids. And now my kids are proficient shooters and handle themselves better than most adults that I know.

Now as far as your issue of being with no firearms, you've got to know someone who is willing to sell one or two?


I had keys to the safe by the time I was nine or ten. And used to walk around the house then I was twelve with a 9mm belted on when my folks were out to dinner or something. (I was paranoid about robbers, still kinda am.)
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-Non Interventionism
-Labor Unions
-Environmental Protections
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-Unnecessary Taxes
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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:55 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
With us boys growing up, we were into everything, we were the ones that if something went wrong in the neighborhood, it was us that got blamed. And there were firearms in the house, all easily accessible, same with ammo. Guess we had enough training beat into us, not to mess with them in a misbehaved manner, not to mention the fear of god instilled in us if we did do something, as our father would probably had taken us out to the country side and dispose of us. One of those, shoot, shovel and shut up type things.

Now that I have kids of my own, it was a risk I was willing to take to have firearms in the house, and the same training we boys got growing up, the same is applied to my kids. And now my kids are proficient shooters and handle themselves better than most adults that I know.

Now as far as your issue of being with no firearms, you've got to know someone who is willing to sell one or two?


The parents should have been charged with reckless endangerment, endangerment of a minor, and putting a deadly weapon in possession of a minor.

Why? What endangerment? Minor in possession of a weapon? pffft, we all had firearms growing up, what are you going to do lock up the whole damn town?
White privilege is the belief that white people are responsible for the acts of their ancestors by people who accept no responsibility for the acts of their children.
Gun control advocates suffer from psychological projection -“defending themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others." ; “State Law cannot authorize the violation of Federal Rights”-Justice Alito
Gun control is what you talk about when you don't want to talk about the truth. -Colion Noir
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger). Proud American infidel since the 1970s; FUCK islam, it is incompatible with the US Constitution

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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:57 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
The parents should have been charged with reckless endangerment, endangerment of a minor, and putting a deadly weapon in possession of a minor.

Why? What endangerment? Minor in possession of a weapon? pffft, we all had firearms growing up, what are you going to do lock up the whole damn town?


His ideology doesn't require logic. It simply requires that everyone be forced into lockstep with his sinister ideas.
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-Labor Unions
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-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
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-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:57 pm

Telconi wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
With us boys growing up, we were into everything, we were the ones that if something went wrong in the neighborhood, it was us that got blamed. And there were firearms in the house, all easily accessible, same with ammo. Guess we had enough training beat into us, not to mess with them in a misbehaved manner, not to mention the fear of god instilled in us if we did do something, as our father would probably had taken us out to the country side and dispose of us. One of those, shoot, shovel and shut up type things.

Now that I have kids of my own, it was a risk I was willing to take to have firearms in the house, and the same training we boys got growing up, the same is applied to my kids. And now my kids are proficient shooters and handle themselves better than most adults that I know.

Now as far as your issue of being with no firearms, you've got to know someone who is willing to sell one or two?


I had keys to the safe by the time I was nine or ten. And used to walk around the house then I was twelve with a 9mm belted on when my folks were out to dinner or something. (I was paranoid about robbers, still kinda am.)


No safe in the house we grew up in, just lots of gun racks, and boxes of ammo in just about every closet.
White privilege is the belief that white people are responsible for the acts of their ancestors by people who accept no responsibility for the acts of their children.
Gun control advocates suffer from psychological projection -“defending themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others." ; “State Law cannot authorize the violation of Federal Rights”-Justice Alito
Gun control is what you talk about when you don't want to talk about the truth. -Colion Noir
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger). Proud American infidel since the 1970s; FUCK islam, it is incompatible with the US Constitution

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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:58 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
The parents should have been charged with reckless endangerment, endangerment of a minor, and putting a deadly weapon in possession of a minor.

Why? What endangerment? Minor in possession of a weapon? pffft, we all had firearms growing up, what are you going to do lock up the whole damn town?


You had guns and ammo accessible to children. Yeah no. If I was the sharif in your town every single parent in that town would have been told to hand over the weapons and either plead guilty and get your sentence in house arrest or go to court and face your sentence in prison.
OOC- I am a Prolife Liberal who is Anti Gun, Pro Immigration, Pro UHC, Pro financial aid, and anything that makes children's lives better. I am also eco-friendly.

IC- The Federation of Keshiland stands for freedom and local governance. Requirements for state hood. A territory atleast 1,000 KL and a population of atleast 100k. Our Constitution keeps us free and can only be changed with a 3/4ths ratification of the states.

State count 135

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:02 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Why? What endangerment? Minor in possession of a weapon? pffft, we all had firearms growing up, what are you going to do lock up the whole damn town?


You had guns and ammo accessible to children. Yeah no. If I was the *sharif in your town every single parent in that town would have been told to hand over the weapons and either plead guilty and get your sentence in house arrest or go to court and face your sentence in prison.


* It is spelled - Sheriff.

Good thing I grew up in the 70's where the local sheriff, encouraged firearm safety and was part of the firearm training education board that was offered in our schools.

You know what the key is when it comes to firearms and kids? Training and education.
White privilege is the belief that white people are responsible for the acts of their ancestors by people who accept no responsibility for the acts of their children.
Gun control advocates suffer from psychological projection -“defending themselves against their own unpleasant impulses by denying their existence while attributing them to others." ; “State Law cannot authorize the violation of Federal Rights”-Justice Alito
Gun control is what you talk about when you don't want to talk about the truth. -Colion Noir
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
- William Pitt (the Younger). Proud American infidel since the 1970s; FUCK islam, it is incompatible with the US Constitution

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Postby Valgora » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:04 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Why? What endangerment? Minor in possession of a weapon? pffft, we all had firearms growing up, what are you going to do lock up the whole damn town?


You had guns and ammo accessible to children. Yeah no. If I was the sharif in your town every single parent in that town would have been told to hand over the weapons and either plead guilty and get your sentence in house arrest or go to court and face your sentence in prison.


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Postby The of Japan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:05 pm

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Grinning Dragon wrote:Why? What endangerment? Minor in possession of a weapon? pffft, we all had firearms growing up, what are you going to do lock up the whole damn town?


You had guns and ammo accessible to children. Yeah no. If I was the sharif in your town every single parent in that town would have been told to hand over the weapons and either plead guilty and get your sentence in house arrest or go to court and face your sentence in prison.

And it would be you in jail for false inprisonment
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:06 pm

Grinning Dragon wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
You had guns and ammo accessible to children. Yeah no. If I was the *sharif in your town every single parent in that town would have been told to hand over the weapons and either plead guilty and get your sentence in house arrest or go to court and face your sentence in prison.


* It is spelled - Sheriff.

Good thing I grew up in the 70's where the local sheriff, encouraged firearm safety and was part of the firearm training education board that was offered in our schools.

You know what the key is when it comes to firearms and kids? Training and education.

Actually the first gun I ever owned was given to me by the local sheriff. Him and my dad were old friends.
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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:07 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:Why? What endangerment? Minor in possession of a weapon? pffft, we all had firearms growing up, what are you going to do lock up the whole damn town?


You had guns and ammo accessible to children. (So?) Yeah no. If I was the sharif (Sheriff) in your town every single parent in that town would have been told to hand over the weapons and either plead guilty and get your sentence in house arrest or go to court and face your sentence in prison. I would have been recalled, imprisoned, or both. That is, if my own deputies didn't lynch me first. Or some random citizen shoot my gestapo ass.


FTFY.
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-Government Overreach
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-Unnecessary Taxes
-Excessively Specific Government Programs
-Foreign Entanglements
-Religious Extremism
-Fascists Masquerading as "Social Justice Warriors"

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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:14 pm

I have figured it out. I will just create my own town run under the guise of a business that is free of guns. The only people with guns will be the border guards. The name will be Libertatem Tormenta latin for freedom from guns.

It will be built in a large open place where there are no other cities or town. Have its own flag and consist of thousands of homes. Basically, businesses and people will be free to build houses and apartments incorporating them into the town. All the residents will have a card that they will need to show border guards to get in. It will keep growing until it reaches a max of 5M. We will have our own fully working government with taxes that actually help our residents. Mayor legislature and judges.

The 1st law passed under this town/city will be
Possession or sale of a firearm will result in a 20 year minimum sentence in prison.


In the middle of the flag a sentence will read
The 2A is not welcome here!


Since it would be both a town/city and business owned property people would not be able to sue to get the 2A incorporated into our little constitution.
OOC- I am a Prolife Liberal who is Anti Gun, Pro Immigration, Pro UHC, Pro financial aid, and anything that makes children's lives better. I am also eco-friendly.

IC- The Federation of Keshiland stands for freedom and local governance. Requirements for state hood. A territory atleast 1,000 KL and a population of atleast 100k. Our Constitution keeps us free and can only be changed with a 3/4ths ratification of the states.

State count 135

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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:15 pm

Keshiland wrote:I have figured it out. I will just create my own town run under the guise of a business that is free of guns. The only people with guns will be the border guards. The name will be Libertatem Tormenta latin for freedom from guns.

It will be built in a large open place where there are no other cities or town. Have its own flag and consist of thousands of homes. Basically, businesses and people will be free to build houses and apartments incorporating them into the town. All the residents will have a card that they will need to show border guards to get in. It will keep growing until it reaches a max of 5M. We will have our own fully working government with taxes that actually help our residents. Mayor legislature and judges.

The 1st law passed under this town/city will be
Possession or sale of a firearm will result in a 20 year minimum sentence in prison.


In the middle of the flag a sentence will read
The 2A is not welcome here!


Since it would be both a town/city and business owned property people would not be able to sue to get the 2A incorporated into our little constitution.

Towns are sub-entities organized under the state governments and are therefore subject to second amendment protections. They could very well sue you if you tried to imprison them.

Now, if the business entity owned all property, the business might be able to expel tenants who violate the provisions, but you can't imprison anybody.
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Postby Valgora » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:16 pm

Keshiland wrote:I have figured it out. I will just create my own town run under the guise of a business that is free of guns. The only people with guns will be the border guards. The name will be Libertatem Tormenta latin for freedom from guns.

It will be built in a large open place where there are no other cities or town. Have its own flag and consist of thousands of homes. Basically, businesses and people will be free to build houses and apartments incorporating them into the town. All the residents will have a card that they will need to show border guards to get in. It will keep growing until it reaches a max of 5M. We will have our own fully working government with taxes that actually help our residents. Mayor legislature and judges.

The 1st law passed under this town/city will be
Possession or sale of a firearm will result in a 20 year minimum sentence in prison.


In the middle of the flag a sentence will read
The 2A is not welcome here!


Since it would be both a town/city and business owned property people would not be able to sue to get the 2A incorporated into our little constitution.


A few things:

1. "Fuckin' Facsists!"

2. That's not how it would work, corporations can get sued.

3. States are basically unitary governments; the state gov't allows towns and other smaller governments under it to exist. So, you'd be subject to state law.
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:16 pm

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You had guns and ammo accessible to children. (So?) Yeah no. If I was the sharif (Sheriff) in your town every single parent in that town would have been told to hand over the weapons and either plead guilty and get your sentence in house arrest or go to court and face your sentence in prison. I would have been recalled, imprisoned, or both. That is, if my own deputies didn't lynch me first. Or some random citizen shoot my gestapo ass.


FTFY.


The 2A was not incorporated yet so it would of all been legal to do so. This is just waiting for some kid to shoot himself or his friend cause guns were just laying around like it was nothing that is the definition of negligence
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:18 pm

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Keshiland wrote:I have figured it out. I will just create my own town run under the guise of a business that is free of guns. The only people with guns will be the border guards. The name will be Libertatem Tormenta latin for freedom from guns.

It will be built in a large open place where there are no other cities or town. Have its own flag and consist of thousands of homes. Basically, businesses and people will be free to build houses and apartments incorporating them into the town. All the residents will have a card that they will need to show border guards to get in. It will keep growing until it reaches a max of 5M. We will have our own fully working government with taxes that actually help our residents. Mayor legislature and judges.

The 1st law passed under this town/city will be
Possession or sale of a firearm will result in a 20 year minimum sentence in prison.


In the middle of the flag a sentence will read
The 2A is not welcome here!


Since it would be both a town/city and business owned property people would not be able to sue to get the 2A incorporated into our little constitution.

Towns are sub-entities organized under the state governments and are therefore subject to second amendment protections. They could very well sue you if you tried to imprison them.

Now, if the business entity owned all property, the business might be able to expel tenants who violate the provisions, but you can't imprison anybody.


The business would own all the property and the government in the town would run the legal stuff. So the government would arrest them.
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Postby Galloism » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:19 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Galloism wrote:Towns are sub-entities organized under the state governments and are therefore subject to second amendment protections. They could very well sue you if you tried to imprison them.

Now, if the business entity owned all property, the business might be able to expel tenants who violate the provisions, but you can't imprison anybody.


The business would own all the property and the government in the town would run the legal stuff. So the government would arrest them.

Then the government gets sued. The government is a governmental entity organized under state law and subject to 2nd amendment restrictions.

Hell, I'd move there JUST to get arrested and then sue the shit out the town.
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Postby Valgora » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:19 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Telconi wrote:
FTFY.


The 2A was not incorporated yet so it would of all been legal to do so. This is just waiting for some kid to shoot himself or his friend cause guns were just laying around like it was nothing that is the definition of negligence


What the fuck?
How the fuck is the 2nd Amendment not incorporated? It's in the fuckin' constitution.
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Postby Keshiland » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:20 pm

Valgora wrote:
Keshiland wrote:
The 2A was not incorporated yet so it would of all been legal to do so. This is just waiting for some kid to shoot himself or his friend cause guns were just laying around like it was nothing that is the definition of negligence


What the fuck?
How the fuck is the 2nd Amendment not incorporated? It's in the fuckin' constitution.


The SCOTUS was hesitant as duck to incorporate it to the states it took till 2008 to incorporate the 2nd amendment
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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:21 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Galloism wrote:Towns are sub-entities organized under the state governments and are therefore subject to second amendment protections. They could very well sue you if you tried to imprison them.

Now, if the business entity owned all property, the business might be able to expel tenants who violate the provisions, but you can't imprison anybody.


The business would own all the property and the government in the town would run the legal stuff. So the government would arrest them.


They'd do what now?
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Postby Telconi » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:21 pm

Keshiland wrote:
Valgora wrote:
What the fuck?
How the fuck is the 2nd Amendment not incorporated? It's in the fuckin' constitution.


The SCOTUS was hesitant as duck to incorporate it to the states it took till 2008 to incorporate the 2nd amendment


You have no idea what you're talking about...
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