by New Edom » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:42 am
by Liriena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:50 am
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by Longweather » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:53 am
by Liriena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:53 am
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by Liriena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:55 am
Longweather wrote:Damn you beat me to posting a topic on the matter. I wish there was a question though to further facilitate discussion.
Honestly, I'm too terrified to post a "me too" despite it being applicable to my life way too often since I've begun dwelling on my experiences after reading one of Galloism's threads a long while ago. I doubt I'd get much support for obvious reasons.
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by The Huskar Social Union » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:55 am
Longweather wrote:Damn you beat me to posting a topic on the matter. I wish there was a question though to further facilitate discussion.
Honestly, I'm too terrified to post a "me too" despite it being applicable to my life way too often since I've begun dwelling on my experiences after reading one of Galloism's threads a long while ago. I doubt I'd get much support for obvious reasons.
by Longweather » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:56 am
Liriena wrote:You know your narrative has gone beyond what's reasonable when you feel the urge to use a campaign in response to Harvey Weinstein to whine "yeah, but what about men?!!"
by Pasong Tirad » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:56 am
by Liriena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:58 am
New Edom wrote:1. Stop pretending feminism is intended to help men. It isn't; it's meant to help women.
2. Actually be consistently intersectional if people really believe that. Be open to actual discussions about the issues.
3. Or here's a crazy thought, drop the rape culture narrative and focus on freedom and access to the law and opportunity for everyone.
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by Liriena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:00 pm
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by Gig em Aggies » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:01 pm
Liriena wrote:New Edom wrote:1. Stop pretending feminism is intended to help men. It isn't; it's meant to help women.
2. Actually be consistently intersectional if people really believe that. Be open to actual discussions about the issues.
3. Or here's a crazy thought, drop the rape culture narrative and focus on freedom and access to the law and opportunity for everyone.
Okay... who are you directing these demands to, specifically? Because, if you're serious about this, if you seriously hope for that to happen, you need a realistic target, no?
Just making demands to the whole feminist movements by screaming into the void is only slightly less useful than a change.org petition. As far as I know, there are no prominent feminist figures in this forum, so they can't really respond to your demands. And there's also the issue that you are, of course, overgeneralizing your opponent.
by Liriena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:01 pm
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by Liriena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:02 pm
Gig em Aggies wrote:Liriena wrote:Okay... who are you directing these demands to, specifically? Because, if you're serious about this, if you seriously hope for that to happen, you need a realistic target, no?
Just making demands to the whole feminist movements by screaming into the void is only slightly less useful than a change.org petition. As far as I know, there are no prominent feminist figures in this forum, so they can't really respond to your demands. And there's also the issue that you are, of course, overgeneralizing your opponent.
Do you really think theirs anybody worthwhile on NS at all?
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by Bakery Hill » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:07 pm
by Pasong Tirad » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:10 pm
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:11 pm
by Bakery Hill » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:12 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:It's a twitter campaign. Simple enough to hijack.
In fact, I may propose exactly that to the MRM reddit.
"If you're a male who has been sexually assaulted, go do the metoo stuff. Add MRM to the tag."
by The Huskar Social Union » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:12 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:It's a twitter campaign. Simple enough to hijack.
In fact, I may propose exactly that to the MRM reddit.
"If you're a male who has been sexually assaulted, go do the metoo stuff. Add MRM to the tag."
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:13 pm
by Liriena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:15 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:It's a twitter campaign. Simple enough to hijack.
In fact, I may propose exactly that to the MRM reddit.
"If you're a male who has been sexually assaulted, go do the metoo stuff. Add MRM to the tag."
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by Ostroeuropa » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:15 pm
Liriena wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:It's a twitter campaign. Simple enough to hijack.
In fact, I may propose exactly that to the MRM reddit.
"If you're a male who has been sexually assaulted, go do the metoo stuff. Add MRM to the tag."
"Hijack"?
So... you mean undermine the female survivors and "steal" this campaign, as if this was some sort of zero-sum game where one gender must have "control" over the hashtag?
At this point, I'm really beyond believing that you or New Edom are speaking in any manner of good faith or genuine care for sexual harassment survivors.
by Liriena » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:16 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:Plenty of men are doing it already.
There we go then, not a problem, just makes the people who started and advertised it look out of touch and gynocentric. In functional terms, there's not much bad going on with this one I don't think.
If the media reports on it as "Womens tweets" that'd be a problem, and it'd be another instance of the willful ignorance and silence of the feminist organizers and media class to mens issues.
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by Pilarcraft » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:17 pm
B.P.D.: Dossier on parallel home-worlds released, will be updated regularly to include more encountered in the Convergence.
by Pasong Tirad » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:17 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Liriena wrote:"Hijack"?
So... you mean undermine the female survivors and "steal" this campaign, as if this was some sort of zero-sum game where one gender must have "control" over the hashtag?
At this point, I'm really beyond believing that you or New Edom are speaking in any manner of good faith or genuine care for sexual harassment survivors.
Hijack a campaign from gynocentrists to make it egalitarian?
Don't see the problem.
Yeh, totally up for stealing it.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Oct 16, 2017 12:17 pm
Pilarcraft wrote:imagine finding out a public celebrity kept sexually harrassing, assaulting, and raping people for a long time, and having the thought "but what about m e n ?"
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