Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[United States of Red Dawn]

I'm not too bothered. It probably does help with recruiting.

But it could be useful to know if someone claims the NRL is completely independent of government: it's not quite, and the military could be ordered to stop paying as retribution if the NRL did something the President really didn't like.



Either Congress legislates to replace DACA (as Trump asked them to) or Trump will keep DACA after all. Millions of other undocumented immigrants will be prioritized ahead of the "dreamers" and there's no option to just deport millions in one year. It requires a trial, and there are a very limited number of immigration courts.

The "dreamers" will stay one way or the other. Even if Trump was such an idiot as to pick on the immigrants Americans are most sympathetic to, he couldn't do much within the next three years (that's assuming Congress comes up with no replacement and DACA does end).

Why do you support deporting immigrants whose "crime" of entry, wasn't really a crime because they were minors? It seems a bit beyond what's necessary to be strict, it seems cruel and not just a bit wasteful.

The Immigration courts need to be radically expanded and changed, the system is wholly incapable of servicing the demand.

The demand should be curtailed in the first place. It should be harder than ever to enter this country legally or illegally. When do we finally have a large enough population in this country? Make it unattractive to mass immigration. It should be slowed to a trickle.

[The of Japan]

The Immigration courts need to be radically expanded and changed, the system is wholly incapable of servicing the demand.

The demand should be curtailed in the first place. It should be harder than ever to enter this country legally or illegally. When do we finally have a large enough population in this country? Make it unattractive to mass immigration. It should be slowed to a trickle.

I agree on the illegal part.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Wouldn't that be wonderful? But we instead make it harder

harder by what?

Changes in priorities. It's essentially harder to pass tests and get priority

[The of Japan]

harder by what?

Changes in priorities. It's essentially harder to pass tests and get priority

priority for what?

[AiliailiA]

Fine. Legally, they are people literally can't be Americans because of a technicality

then just make illegally immigrating to US not bar you from future immigration legally to US.

Specifically for Dreamers, OK.

Not generally though, it would be dumb to give up that disincentive which applies to all illegal immigrants. If they're caught (not all are, some immigrate and leave again without being identified) that damages their future chances of citizenship. Compared with threats of prison, ICE detention and physical removal, making the threat costs the US government virtually nothing, it's just paperwork. I'm not sure why you'd give that up? Or maybe you meant only for dreamers and only a one-off.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Changes in priorities. It's essentially harder to pass tests and get priority

priority for what?

Essentially proof you can improve our economy. Which on paper, sounds great, but makes it harder for farmers and laborers to get in.

[The of Japan]

then just make illegally immigrating to US not bar you from future immigration legally to US.

Specifically for Dreamers, OK.

Not generally though, it would be dumb to give up that disincentive which applies to all illegal immigrants. If they're caught (not all are, some immigrate and leave again without being identified) that damages their future chances of citizenship. Compared with threats of prison, ICE detention and physical removal, making the threat costs the US government virtually nothing, it's just paperwork. I'm not sure why you'd give that up? Or maybe you meant only for dreamers and only a one-off.

as a one-off (second chance) for those who have illegally immigrated before a certain point.

[The of Japan]

priority for what?

Essentially proof you can improve our economy. Which on paper, sounds great, but makes it harder for farmers and laborers to get in.

can you be more transparent?

[Hittanryan]

If private citizens want to waste their money on something that won’t stop illegal immigration in the slightest, that’s their problem. Trouble is the government wants to build it by wasting our tax dollars.

Everyone believes their taxes are wasted on something, that never ends anyway. If I have to waste mine on things of which I don't approve then you have to return the favor at some point. That's the way she goes.

“My party will waste your money on moronic ineffective policy, and you just have to accept it.”

[AiliailiA]

I'm not too bothered. It probably does help with recruiting.

But it could be useful to know if someone claims the NRL is completely independent of government: it's not quite, and the military could be ordered to stop paying as retribution if the NRL did something the President really didn't like.



Either Congress legislates to replace DACA (as Trump asked them to) or Trump will keep DACA after all. Millions of other undocumented immigrants will be prioritized ahead of the "dreamers" and there's no option to just deport millions in one year. It requires a trial, and there are a very limited number of immigration courts.

The "dreamers" will stay one way or the other. Even if Trump was such an idiot as to pick on the immigrants Americans are most sympathetic to, he couldn't do much within the next three years (that's assuming Congress comes up with no replacement and DACA does end).

Why do you support deporting immigrants whose "crime" of entry, wasn't really a crime because they were minors? It seems a bit beyond what's necessary to be strict, it seems cruel and not just a bit wasteful.

So leave them unable to legally work or do much of anything?

You're saying that's better? It sounds slightly less cruel but still wasteful, and like anyone else they'll be prone to crime if legal ways of earning income are denied them.

[Tarsonis]

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22122/tru ... benshapiro


And the NFL caves its support of players.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Essentially proof you can improve our economy. Which on paper, sounds great, but makes it harder for farmers and laborers to get in.

can you be more transparent?

I mean, I'm trying to explain it, but I can see how it comes across. So basically, the more qualified you are, the higher you're put on the priority.

[The of Japan]

So leave them unable to legally work or do much of anything?

You're saying that's better? It sounds slightly less cruel but still wasteful, and like anyone else they'll be prone to crime if legal ways of earning income are denied them.

I am saying doing nothing is perhaps worse.

[United States of Red Dawn]

Everyone believes their taxes are wasted on something, that never ends anyway. If I have to waste mine on things of which I don't approve then you have to return the favor at some point. That's the way she goes.

“My party will waste your money on moronic ineffective policy, and you just have to accept it.”

Centralized government.

[The of Japan]

can you be more transparent?

I mean, I'm trying to explain it, but I can see how it comes across. So basically, the more qualified you are, the higher you're put on the priority.

Well we don't really need more burger flippers anyways so I don't see how that is so bad.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I mean, I'm trying to explain it, but I can see how it comes across. So basically, the more qualified you are, the higher you're put on the priority.

Well we don't really need more burger flippers anyways so I don't see how that is so bad.

We do need more farmers though, would you rather immigrants have those jobs, or migrant workers?

[The of Japan]

Well we don't really need more burger flippers anyways so I don't see how that is so bad.

We do need more farmers though, would you rather immigrants have those jobs, or migrant workers?

how do we need more farmers? we are a major exporter of food, and we have so much corn we innefiencently turn it into ethanol to putr into our cars.

[Internationalist Bastard]

We do need more farmers though, would you rather immigrants have those jobs, or migrant workers?

how do we need more farmers? we are a major exporter of food, and we have so much corn we innefiencently turn it into ethanol to putr into our cars.

Most of those farm laborors are not Americans though

[The of Japan]

how do we need more farmers? we are a major exporter of food, and we have so much corn we innefiencently turn it into ethanol to putr into our cars.

Most of those farm laborors are not Americans though

source?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Most of those farm laborors are not Americans though

source?

Turns out, none exists. Feds don't release the amount of H2-A workers we have, but many farm owners claim their businesses stall without those migrants. That's not counting the illegal immigrants then.

[The of Japan]

source?

Turns out, none exists. Feds don't release the amount of H2-A workers we have, but many farm owners claim their businesses stall without those migrants. That's not counting the illegal immigrants then.

how many? are you just trying to weasel your way out?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Turns out, none exists. Feds don't release the amount of H2-A workers we have, but many farm owners claim their businesses stall without those migrants. That's not counting the illegal immigrants then.

how many? are you just trying to weasel your way out?

I mean, as I said, no official number, but 90k, that ballpark
http://globalworkers.org/iii-h-2a-workers-us-%E2%80%93-figures

[The of Japan]

how many? are you just trying to weasel your way out?

I mean, as I said, no official number, but 90k, that ballpark
http://globalworkers.org/iii-h-2a-workers-us-%E2%80%93-figures

There are like 4 million farmers, so that is nowhere near most.

[AiliailiA]

We do need more farmers though, would you rather immigrants have those jobs, or migrant workers?

how do we need more farmers? we are a major exporter of food, and we have so much corn we innefiencently turn it into ethanol to putr into our cars.

The US does export food yes, but consumers would pay more for labor-intensive products like fruit and vegetables. Maybe they should (and Americans be paid however much is necessary to make them take those jobs) but the populist argument is that illegal labor actually benefits the consumers and by volume of sales also benefits the farm owners.

[The of Japan]

how do we need more farmers? we are a major exporter of food, and we have so much corn we innefiencently turn it into ethanol to putr into our cars.

The US does export food yes, but consumers would pay more for labor-intensive products like fruit and vegetables. Maybe they should (and Americans be paid however much is necessary to make them take those jobs) but the populist argument is that illegal labor actually benefits the consumers and by volume of sales also benefits the farm owners.

and illegal labor is illegal. There are legal immigrants who are labourers, if that is what you mean.