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Which German party do you support?

Christian Democratic Union
93
14%
Social Democratic Party
152
23%
The Left
95
14%
Alliance '90/ The Greens
30
5%
Free Democratic Party
55
8%
Alternative for Germany
214
33%
Other
17
3%
 
Total votes : 656

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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:36 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:A Jamaica Coalition is going to be hilarious.


Especially when they legalize da kush mon

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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:37 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:A Jamaica Coalition is going to be hilarious.


Especially when they legalize da kush mon

Hey we headin to the Bundestag mon!
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:37 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Kennlind wrote:SDP down 5%, CDU/CSU down 9%. Thats -14% of the vote. At the same time, the AfD are up 9%. Within a decade or so, CDU/CSU will be junior partner in coalition to the AfD.

No, in a decade the whole immigration debate will have settled down and the AfD will be struggling to meet the 5 percent.
And even if they stay relevant or even gain power, we'd rather see a black-yellow-red-red-green coalition than a blue-anything other than brown coalition.


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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:42 am

The AfD did disappointingly well, but I've been rooting for a Jamaica Coalition from the start. Stability and security combined with liberal values and environmental protection is a good foundation for a government.
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Remnants of Exilvania
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:43 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:No, in a decade the whole immigration debate will have settled down and the AfD will be struggling to meet the 5 percent.
And even if they stay relevant or even gain power, we'd rather see a black-yellow-red-red-green coalition than a blue-anything other than brown coalition.


I would have thought after the last two years of Mr.Bones wild ride you would know better than to make predictions as to the course of politics.

:?: Who's Mr. Bones?
Are you talking about Trump?
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Minoa
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Postby Minoa » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:46 am

ZDF says:

CDU/CSU: 33.3%
SPD: 20.8%
AFD: 13.2%
FDP: 10.1%
Greens: 9.2%
Die Linke: 8.9%

Black, Yellow and Green government will give majority of 52.6%. At places where the government and SPD share the same stance on some policies, a majority of up to 73.4% is possible.
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Collatis
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Postby Collatis » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:47 am

One benefit of the SDP going into opposition is that the AfD won't be the official opposition.

Geilinor wrote:The AfD did disappointingly well, but I've been rooting for a Jamaica Coalition from the start. Stability and security combined with liberal values and environmental protection is a good foundation for a government.

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Copernika
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Postby Copernika » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:51 am

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Postby Lonograd » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:51 am

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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:52 am

Collatis wrote:One benefit of the SDP going into opposition is that the AfD won't be the official opposition.

Geilinor wrote:The AfD did disappointingly well, but I've been rooting for a Jamaica Coalition from the start. Stability and security combined with liberal values and environmental protection is a good foundation for a government.

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Merkel and the CDU actually are strong and stable, unlike May.
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Laerod
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Postby Laerod » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:54 am

Kennlind wrote:SDP down 5%, CDU/CSU down 9%. Thats -14% of the vote. At the same time, the AfD are up 9%. Within a decade or so, CDU/CSU will be junior partner in coalition to the AfD.

Given how this world functions, that sounds utterly ridiculous. Best case scenario would be something along the lines of Austria. Worst case is something along the lines of the Pirates. Likely is something in between.

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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:56 am


That's Linke, literally.

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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:04 am

The AfD is close to 90 seats, it's a bit shocking.
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Eredion
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Postby Eredion » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:04 am

Instead of a Jamaica coalition I´ll happily take FDP and Greens joining the CDU outright. Or just repeat voting until the CDU gets the absolute majority.

At least I won my bet.

Also, are the direct seats already counted in, can´t see many going to any party besides the CDU and maybe SPD. Linke and AfD prolly getting a handful ones too.
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Remnants of Exilvania
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:05 am

Eredion wrote:Instead of a Jamaica coalition I´ll happily take FDP and Greens joining the CDU outright. Or just repeat voting until the CDU gets the absolute majority.

At least I won my bet.

Also, are the direct seats already counted in, can´t see many going to any party besides the CDU and maybe SPD. Linke and AfD prolly getting a handful ones too.

What was the bet? CDU staying strongest party?

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East Angria
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Postby East Angria » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:09 am

Agritum wrote:

That's Linke, literally.

Economically yes, but in terms of political freedom and civil rights, they are the complete opposite of the old SED.
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Remnants of Exilvania
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:10 am

East Angria wrote:
Agritum wrote:That's Linke, literally.

Economically yes, but in terms of political freedom and civil rights, they are the complete opposite of the old SED.

That's just their public face.
The moment they get power anywhere, things will be back at good old SED.

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Eredion
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Postby Eredion » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:10 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:
Eredion wrote:Instead of a Jamaica coalition I´ll happily take FDP and Greens joining the CDU outright. Or just repeat voting until the CDU gets the absolute majority.

At least I won my bet.

Also, are the direct seats already counted in, can´t see many going to any party besides the CDU and maybe SPD. Linke and AfD prolly getting a handful ones too.

What was the bet? CDU staying strongest party?

Merkel staying chancellor. Did it with multiple people the first after the beginning of the refugee crisis. A pretty little sum of money and alcohol will be coming my way.
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Trumptonium
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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:11 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:in a decade the whole immigration debate will have settled down


I very much doubt Germany is about to start mass deportations tomorrow.
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Geilinor
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:11 am

Trumptonium wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:in a decade the whole immigration debate will have settled down


I very much doubt Germany is about to start mass deportations tomorrow.

Mass deportations aren't needed to settle the debate.
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Trumptonium
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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:12 am

Remnants of Exilvania wrote:I dunno, I have the distinct feeling that Orban likes that new border of his very much. It is very beneficial to his election campaign.

I still don't see any ruined borders.


Then open your eyes and look to any country to your south.

For one Merkel has personally given F5M a victory.
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Postby Remnants of Exilvania » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:12 am

Eredion wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:What was the bet? CDU staying strongest party?

Merkel staying chancellor. Did it with multiple people the first after the beginning of the refugee crisis. A pretty little sum of money and alcohol will be coming my way.

Congratulations then.
Trumptonium wrote:
Remnants of Exilvania wrote:in a decade the whole immigration debate will have settled down


I very much doubt Germany is about to start mass deportations tomorrow.

Oh nein! He found out about our sekrit plans!

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Trumptonium
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Postby Trumptonium » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:13 am

Geilinor wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:
I very much doubt Germany is about to start mass deportations tomorrow.

Mass deportations aren't needed to settle the debate.


As if.

Problems will only mount.
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Agritum
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Postby Agritum » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:14 am

AfD hasn't lost. They simply haven't won. Get it? GET IT?

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Dushan
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Postby Dushan » Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:18 am

Geilinor wrote:The AfD did disappointingly well, but I've been rooting for a Jamaica Coalition from the start. Stability and security combined with liberal values and environmental protection is a good foundation for a government.


I welcome the presence of AfD in the Federal Assembly with grim mood. It's a punch into the face of an ignorant and dogmatic establishment that is much deserved.

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The Liberated Territories wrote:
Especially when they legalize da kush mon

Hey we headin to the Bundestag mon!


Both FDP and Greens are pro-marijuana legalization. So something good after all.

My vote for Lindner wasnt wasted at least ^^

I have doubts though about the stability of Jamaica and whether if it will come to that. A minority government or new elections might not be out of possibility.
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