The Allied Powers winning WWI directly led to WWII.
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by El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:07 pm
The Sauganash Union wrote:El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Hey guys, um...
I don't like classifying religious ideology as a political spectrum, but Islamism is still on the right side. And since this is a right wing discussion thread, well...hi I guess?
In the West, it's part of the left coalition due to it being a POC minority culture.
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
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by El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:10 pm
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)
by Proctopeo » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:12 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:47 pm
by Kramania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 1:52 pm
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:01 pm
Kramania wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Germany losing lead to them trying again, yep.
Germany losing and being harshly punished by the Allies, coupled with the Great Depression, provided a fertile environment for extremists to take over. These extremists took the form of the Nazis who basically wanted to conquer the world.
by The East Marches II » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:03 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Kramania wrote:Germany losing and being harshly punished by the Allies, coupled with the Great Depression, provided a fertile environment for extremists to take over. These extremists took the form of the Nazis who basically wanted to conquer the world.
Germany was crippled to stop them from starting the most cataclysmic war of all time *again*. Unfortunately, instead of showing remorse for the Biblical levels of destruction and bloodshed they caused others, Germany decided to invade random countries and kill people again out of indignation over having to pay for a catastrophe they inflicted to proclaim the size of their sabre.
by Kramania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:04 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Germany was crippled to stop them from starting the most cataclysmic war of all time *again*.
by Kramania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:04 pm
The East Marches II wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Germany was crippled to stop them from starting the most cataclysmic war of all time *again*. Unfortunately, instead of showing remorse for the Biblical levels of destruction and bloodshed they caused others, Germany decided to invade random countries and kill people again out of indignation over having to pay for a catastrophe they inflicted to proclaim the size of their sabre.
G*ermany's problem was listening to Austrians twice. Its not their fault. Austrians are known to destroy countries when they are incharge of places. See the >H >R >E
by The East Marches II » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:06 pm
Kramania wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
G*ermany's problem was listening to Austrians twice. Its not their fault. Austrians are known to destroy countries when they are incharge of places. See the >H >R >E
If the Austrians could have just been allowed to deal with the Serbian menace in peace then none of this would have happened.
by Kubumba Tribe » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:07 pm
Kramania wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
G*ermany's problem was listening to Austrians twice. Its not their fault. Austrians are known to destroy countries when they are incharge of places. See the >H >R >E
If the Austrians could have just been allowed to deal with the Serbian menace in peace then none of this would have happened.
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Kubumba Tribe » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:07 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Serbia is a terror state.
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by Kramania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:08 pm
The East Marches II wrote:Kramania wrote:If the Austrians could have just been allowed to deal with the Serbian menace in peace then none of this would have happened.
Thats true unfortunately. Serbia is and was a terror state. I agree with a paper of the time that if we could simply tow Serbia out to sea and sink it, the world would be better for it.
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:14 pm
by Kramania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:18 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Kramania wrote:No, they were crippled so that the Allies could reap the spoils of war.
And Germany didn't start WWI, so really your statement doesn't even pan out.
Yes. Germany intentionally held back the Serbian response to the ultimatum from Austria until after the deadline, because they knew if Austria got it there would be no war.
After WWI Germany should have been Balkanized.
by Kubumba Tribe » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:20 pm
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.
by The East Marches II » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:33 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Kramania wrote:No, they were crippled so that the Allies could reap the spoils of war.
And Germany didn't start WWI, so really your statement doesn't even pan out.
Yes. Germany intentionally held back the Serbian response to the ultimatum from Austria until after the deadline, because they knew if Austria got it there would be no war.
After WWI Germany should have been Balkanized.
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:34 pm
Kramania wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Yes. Germany intentionally held back the Serbian response to the ultimatum from Austria until after the deadline, because they knew if Austria got it there would be no war.
Uh, no. Germany vowed to support Austria-Hungary in whatever they did. I doubt they knew it would evolve into a war of such magnitude.After WWI Germany should have been Balkanized.
Right, because that would have been better for the world.
You seem to be forgetting that WWII was a result of WWI and the overly harsh punishments imposed on Germany. How in your mind does punishing Germany even more harshly somehow make anything better?
by The Parkus Empire » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:39 pm
The East Marches II wrote:The Parkus Empire wrote:Yes. Germany intentionally held back the Serbian response to the ultimatum from Austria until after the deadline, because they knew if Austria got it there would be no war.
After WWI Germany should have been Balkanized.
You are thinking of the reply for mediation. Austria rejected Serbia's disingenuous counter-offer and prepared to deliver justice.
by Kramania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:45 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:Kramania wrote:Uh, no. Germany vowed to support Austria-Hungary in whatever they did. I doubt they knew it would evolve into a war of such magnitude.
Right, because that would have been better for the world.
You seem to be forgetting that WWII was a result of WWI and the overly harsh punishments imposed on Germany. How in your mind does punishing Germany even more harshly somehow make anything better?
Yes, Wilhelm absolutely knew and wanted it. Wilhelm has served the devil's purposes better than anyone else in history. He was extremely bloodthirsty, immature, deluded and imperialistic. He desperately wanted to secure the Balkans but knew he needed Austria, and he found the perfect pretense. He had plans to establish empire in the east much prior to the assassination.
Germany punished everyone else! The whole point was to make sure they could never do so again. It's also absurd to look at the depression as Germany being punished when everyone else was going through it. Germany during the 1920's was punished, yes: it's called reparations. For the magnitude of the war, Germany was left pretty decent in the 20's
by The East Marches II » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:46 pm
The Parkus Empire wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
You are thinking of the reply for mediation. Austria rejected Serbia's disingenuous counter-offer and prepared to deliver justice.
Austria didn't get the reply until after the deadline. The Austrian representative was deliberately given the run around and kept waiting in Germany until after the deadline and Austria declared war.
by Salus Maior » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:48 pm
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