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by Vionna-Frankenlisch » Tue Sep 19, 2017 9:50 am
Vulkata II wrote:If you're a history nerd and/or love either World War 1 or 2, be it the people, the uniforms, the generals, the battles or etc. then you'll know most of what happened to Germany and the German people(Austria-Hungary included).
Vulkata II wrote:And the movie industry is even worse, the only movie I can think of that's neutral is War Horse letting the viewers show how all sides of the war affected everyone but with recent movies like Dunkirk only shows us that the Nazis are evil and that's it.
Vulkata II wrote:Why do we always have to fight the German/Ottoman empire or Austria-Hungary or Nazi Germany? Why can't we fight as the Ottomen in Gallipoli? Is it so wrong to support the losing side?(Please don't tell me I sound like a Nazi sympathizer.)
Vulkata II wrote:In RTS games like Company of Heroes seems to be more forgiving of this with you at least commanding two brothers as they fight the Allies in Operation:Market Garden albeit it's maybe inaccurate but to FPS games, the closes they got is letting you fight as a former Nazi scientist as you kill zombies.
And the movie industry is even worse
Vulkata II wrote:Why do you think Germany is portrayed as this evil nation in both sides?
Edit:Yes I am aware Nazi Germany did bad. Very, very bad but still there were some okay people in Nazi Germant like Erwin Rommel.
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by Luziyca » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:56 am
by The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:26 pm
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:20 pm
by The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:38 pm
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:57 pm
by Ism » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:28 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:And it excuses nothing.
You know that's a narrow thinking process. Think, "I'm hungry and the government isn't providing for the lack of food," that's the thinking process of the German at the time, then Hitler comes in makes promises of improving day to day conditions and suggests that, "it was the Jews fault," which typically helps unify angry starving people.
honestly it doesn't matter about excuses it was "my family's starving and it's his fault." It's essentially the blame game and a very dangerous one. One that got that Roman Cleander killed. In the end people will make any excuse to make it reasonable. As I said history is morally grey, and most nazis (who were malnourished and hungry) wanted more food available and Hitler wanted an easy target to accuse. Most Germans didn't know about what the camps did only that was where Jews went. When they did find out Hitler moved the camps farther away, so that the people didn't know it was happening anymore.
by Genivaria » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:29 pm
Ism wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:You know that's a narrow thinking process. Think, "I'm hungry and the government isn't providing for the lack of food," that's the thinking process of the German at the time, then Hitler comes in makes promises of improving day to day conditions and suggests that, "it was the Jews fault," which typically helps unify angry starving people.
honestly it doesn't matter about excuses it was "my family's starving and it's his fault." It's essentially the blame game and a very dangerous one. One that got that Roman Cleander killed. In the end people will make any excuse to make it reasonable. As I said history is morally grey, and most nazis (who were malnourished and hungry) wanted more food available and Hitler wanted an easy target to accuse. Most Germans didn't know about what the camps did only that was where Jews went. When they did find out Hitler moved the camps farther away, so that the people didn't know it was happening anymore.
If it's narrow minded to say hunger doesn't justify genocide, then I guess I'm narrow minded.
by Vulkata II » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:30 pm
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by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:34 pm
Ism wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:You know that's a narrow thinking process. Think, "I'm hungry and the government isn't providing for the lack of food," that's the thinking process of the German at the time, then Hitler comes in makes promises of improving day to day conditions and suggests that, "it was the Jews fault," which typically helps unify angry starving people.
honestly it doesn't matter about excuses it was "my family's starving and it's his fault." It's essentially the blame game and a very dangerous one. One that got that Roman Cleander killed. In the end people will make any excuse to make it reasonable. As I said history is morally grey, and most nazis (who were malnourished and hungry) wanted more food available and Hitler wanted an easy target to accuse. Most Germans didn't know about what the camps did only that was where Jews went. When they did find out Hitler moved the camps farther away, so that the people didn't know it was happening anymore.
If it's narrow minded to say hunger doesn't justify genocide, then I guess I'm narrow minded.
by Edenite Republic » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:01 pm
Vulkata II wrote:2)Yeah they were, not all Nazi soldiers and commanders. I heard Rommel was loved by both sides.
by Ism » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:47 pm
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Ism wrote:
If it's narrow minded to say hunger doesn't justify genocide, then I guess I'm narrow minded.
Genocide was happening, but it doesn't mean that the Germans were supporting it. Hitler was very effective at censoring what would happen to Jews, so that the everyday German doesn't rebel. The everyday German just knew that hitler was going to put them somewhere else.
by Uxupox » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:49 pm
Edenite Republic wrote:Vulkata II wrote:2)Yeah they were, not all Nazi soldiers and commanders. I heard Rommel was loved by both sides.
No he wasn't.
He was hated by soldiers under his command (loved at the home front) and certainly not loved by the British forces in Africa. Respected, perhaps, admired for his chivalrous treatment of pows perhaps, but not loved in any sense by the British public or army. This is a total misconception.
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:14 pm
Ism wrote:Holy Tedalonia wrote:Genocide was happening, but it doesn't mean that the Germans were supporting it. Hitler was very effective at censoring what would happen to Jews, so that the everyday German doesn't rebel. The everyday German just knew that hitler was going to put them somewhere else.
Oh, so they were only supporting some atrocities. When you put it like that they were practically Saints. And for the record, you are sorely misinformed about the German public's knowledge. If they didn't know, they weren't paying attention, or they didn't want to know. Neither are an excuse.
by Engleberg » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:18 pm
Umbrellya wrote:"You are literally the most unashamed German I've ever met."
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by Impaled Nazarene » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:22 pm
Vulkata II wrote:Impaled Nazarene wrote:The Rommel Myth is a fabrication to excuse the Wehrmacht soldiers and commanders from having anything to do with the regime. This myth is entirely bullshit.
You sure?
Now, no one in my family has ever enlisted nor conscripted and I don't have any true references that could be told by Rommel but I trust Indy Neidell and he said that his grandparents, who were British, hated the Germans during WW2 but not Rommel.
Maybe the myth was that he was a good person but still, both sides respected him for his skills and slyness. Same thing happened to Manfred Von Richtonfen right?
Both sides paid their respects to him.
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by Engleberg » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:24 pm
Aclion wrote:WWI Germany wasn't as bad as the Nazis, but they were still the force fighting for aristocracy, colonialism, empire and all that stuff. So yeah, bad guys.
Umbrellya wrote:"You are literally the most unashamed German I've ever met."
Wiena wrote:"Engleberg you surely are the most savage guy in the whole game."
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Anything Left of Center: *exists*
Engle: FUCKING REDS!
by Engleberg » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:26 pm
The Swedish Coast wrote:The Germans were worse than the Allies during WW1, not necessarily how bad we think they were, but they were practically an absolute monarchy, as was Austria Hungary. The world could have avoided WW2 if during the 1920s the Allies didn't tale so much off of Germany.
Umbrellya wrote:"You are literally the most unashamed German I've ever met."
Wiena wrote:"Engleberg you surely are the most savage guy in the whole game."
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Anything Left of Center: *exists*
Engle: FUCKING REDS!
by Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:27 pm
by Genivaria » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:33 pm
Engleberg wrote:The Swedish Coast wrote:The Germans were worse than the Allies during WW1, not necessarily how bad we think they were, but they were practically an absolute monarchy, as was Austria Hungary. The world could have avoided WW2 if during the 1920s the Allies didn't tale so much off of Germany.
Please explain to me how an absolute monarchy is a bad thing.
by Engleberg » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:35 pm
Umbrellya wrote:"You are literally the most unashamed German I've ever met."
Wiena wrote:"Engleberg you surely are the most savage guy in the whole game."
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Anything Left of Center: *exists*
Engle: FUCKING REDS!
by Kubra » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:36 pm
"no instability except those pesky rebels" said everyone with political instability everEngleberg wrote:Genivaria wrote:The oppression, the instability, the out of touch ruling class?
Take your pick.
"Oppression" is a term normally thrown about to describe anything nowadays.
Not much instability in many absolute monarchies, except with those pesky republicans.
The ruling class is not "out of touch," but instead knows what is best for the nation.
by Genivaria » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:37 pm
Engleberg wrote:Genivaria wrote:The oppression, the instability, the out of touch ruling class?
Take your pick.
"Oppression" is a term normally thrown about to describe anything nowadays.
Not much instability in many absolute monarchies, except with those pesky republicans.
The ruling class is not "out of touch," but instead knows what is best for the nation.
Not much instability in many absolute monarchies
The ruling class is not "out of touch," but instead knows what is best for the nation
by Engleberg » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:38 pm
Kubra wrote:"no instability except those pesky rebels" said everyone with political instability everEngleberg wrote:
"Oppression" is a term normally thrown about to describe anything nowadays.
Not much instability in many absolute monarchies, except with those pesky republicans.
The ruling class is not "out of touch," but instead knows what is best for the nation.
Umbrellya wrote:"You are literally the most unashamed German I've ever met."
Wiena wrote:"Engleberg you surely are the most savage guy in the whole game."
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:Anything Left of Center: *exists*
Engle: FUCKING REDS!
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