Trump MAGAthread IX: Korea, The Dreamers and Trump

[Steffan]

The White House tried to calm furious House Republicans. It didn't go well.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/08/politics/ ... index.html

Poor Sec. Munchkin

[Improved werpland]

Replace ideological bias with bias in favor of an individual and it matters just as much.

Now I'm the one who needs evidence.

How about the fact that they endorsed Trump despite being a relatively liberal (ex) publication?

Assuming it isn't known for lying, I think any media source is valid when they make sense. My point was that you were ignoring another very potent source of bias. Arguably it's much more corrupt when media is beholden to an individual's interests.

[Proctopeo]

Now I'm the one who needs evidence.

How about the fact that they endorsed Trump despite being a relatively liberal (ex) publication?

Assuming it isn't known for lying, I think any media source is valid when they make sense. My point was that you were ignoring another very potent source of bias. Arguably it's much more corrupt when media is beholden to an individual's interests.

I'm more inclined to believe Media Bias Fact Check on their reporting accuracy over someone on General.
They talk about multiple different branches of the same site and they all have "High" factual reporting.

[Improved werpland]

How about the fact that they endorsed Trump despite being a relatively liberal (ex) publication?

Assuming it isn't known for lying, I think any media source is valid when they make sense. My point was that you were ignoring another very potent source of bias. Arguably it's much more corrupt when media is beholden to an individual's interests.

I'm more inclined to believe Media Bias Fact Check on their reporting accuracy over someone on General.
They talk about multiple different branches of the same site and they all have "High" factual reporting.

I'm not saying that they have deceitful reporting. The point is ideological bias is just as relevant, if not less, than their Jared Kushner bias.

[Salandriagado]

With an organization like the DNC, when a candidate who isn't even a member of the party runs against a heavily influential member, there's bound to be some bias. It was unethical, but not unordinary.

Personally I think those who caused the rigging should be put in jail.

For breaking what law, exactly? There's no law whatsoever that says that private clubs have to follow some particular set of rules in deciding who their favourite candidate is.

[Salus Maior]

Personally I think those who caused the rigging should be put in jail.

For breaking what law, exactly? There's no law whatsoever that says that private clubs have to follow some particular set of rules in deciding who their favourite candidate is.

Maybe they should if they are as involved in the government and our electoral process as they are.

Or better yet, allow more than two parties to run.

[Galloism]

For breaking what law, exactly? There's no law whatsoever that says that private clubs have to follow some particular set of rules in deciding who their favourite candidate is.

Maybe they should if they are as involved in the government and our electoral process as they are.

Or better yet, allow more than two parties to run.

FPTP always results in two dominant parties. It's basic game theory.

[Salandriagado]

For breaking what law, exactly? There's no law whatsoever that says that private clubs have to follow some particular set of rules in deciding who their favourite candidate is.

Maybe they should if they are as involved in the government and our electoral process as they are.

Or better yet, allow more than two parties to run.

More than two parties do run, every single time.

[Camicon]

Maybe they should if they are as involved in the government and our electoral process as they are.

Or better yet, allow more than two parties to run.

FPTP always results in two dominant parties. It's basic game theory.

*cough*Canada*cough*

[Galloism]

FPTP always results in two dominant parties. It's basic game theory.

*cough*Canada*cough*

Canadians are too polite to practice game theory.

[Camicon]

*cough*Canada*cough*

Canadians are too polite to practice game theory.

Or are we too polite to let you know we practice game theory? >_> ... <_<

[Gauthier]

*cough*Canada*cough*

Canadians are too polite to practice game theory.

Outside of Quebec.

[Galloism]

Canadians are too polite to practice game theory.

Or are we too polite to let you know we practice game theory? >_> ... <_<

Could be.

A quick check of Wiki, however, shows that the conservative party and liberal party, collectively, hold 272 out of 308 seats, and all 58 senators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... _in_Canada

[Myfanwyski]

Why do the threads fill up so quickly? Is it Trump controversy and debates?

Pretty much. If he wasn't such an incompetent, impulsive narcissistic and thin-skinned manbaby the first thread wouldn't even be half full.

He doesn't need to see his analyst now - as you've pretty much summed him up.

But he does need an exorcist to get rid of the evil spirits which are possessing him.

[Camicon]

Or are we too polite to let you know we practice game theory? >_> ... <_<

Could be.

A quick check of Wiki, however, shows that the conservative party and liberal party, collectively, hold 272 out of 308 seats, and all 58 senators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... _in_Canada

"Liberal" senators are actually sitting as independents now.

And while that may be the current makeup of our federal government, things get really interesting at the provincial level. Also, the last federal elections saw the NDP as the Official Opposition, and there's no reason they can't form a government in the future; even if they don't ever form a government, the votes they capture at the federal level greatly influence what kind of federal government gets formed.

[Galloism]

Pretty much. If he wasn't such an incompetent, impulsive narcissistic and thin-skinned manbaby the first thread wouldn't even be half full.

He doesn't need to see his analyst now - as you've pretty much summed him up.

But he does need an exorcist to get rid of the evil spirits which are possessing him.

No evil spirit could tolerate that man for more than 5 minutes.

[Gauthier]

Pretty much. If he wasn't such an incompetent, impulsive narcissistic and thin-skinned manbaby the first thread wouldn't even be half full.

He doesn't need to see his analyst now - as you've pretty much summed him up.

But he does need an exorcist to get rid of the evil spirits which are possessing him.

You have it wrong. He is the evil spirit. Whatever passed for his conscience was exorcised at birth.

[Fartsniffage]

He doesn't need to see his analyst now - as you've pretty much summed him up.

But he does need an exorcist to get rid of the evil spirits which are possessing him.

You have it wrong. He is the evil spirit. Whatever passed for his conscience was exorcised at birth.

"But there's nothing worse than the sight of an amputated spirit. There's no prosthetic for that."

[Bombadil]

While I regret any loss of life and damage caused by the hurricanes, the main reason I want them over is so we can get back to some good old batshit insanity on twitter from POTUS, it's really been boring of late.

[UED]

Damn we're burning through these threads.

Also what Trump is doing to the Dreamers is horrifying, this coming from a legal immigrant who has some grudge/resentment towards undocumented immigrants.

[Eol Sha]

Mexicans are coming to take our jobs!

[Corrian]

I think it is funny that Trump going over to Democrats is making his situation worse.

[Corrian]

Mexicans are coming to take our jobs!

Oh boy! Coming for our highest job!

I love this guy in his savage videos, though.

[AiliailiA]

Hurricane Jose strengthens to 'extremely dangerous' Category 4

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/08/us/hurric ... index.html

Is this God punishing the South for voting Trump?

No. Wait. I'll get numbers.

I think it is funny that Trump going over to Democrats is making his situation worse.

There's grumbling from the Republicans who wanted to use the debt ceiling to force spending cuts. And some others it seems, but still less than half: 17 in the Senate and 90 in the House voted against the 3 month bill.

There probably aren't a lot of other issues where the moderate Republicans and the Democrats could get together and over-ride the troublesome factions of the GOP. Maybe infrastructure?

Imo, the Dems were only going to vote against debt ceiling increase for long enough to cause public infighting in the GOP, and NOT all the way to a shutdown, and this was true even before the hurricanes (now it's a no-brainer). The three month extension suits them because (a) there were no cuts with it, and (b) it moves the GOP infighting 3 months closer to the election. So they got that, it's not much really, but what is burning the Republican bacon is that Trump got nothing in exchange.

Shutdown didn't work politically when Republicans went to the brink, and I don't think Democrats will side with Freedom Caucus to do it in December/January/February (how long it takes). We'll see if I'm right then.

[AiliailiA]

For breaking what law, exactly? There's no law whatsoever that says that private clubs have to follow some particular set of rules in deciding who their favourite candidate is.

Maybe they should if they are as involved in the government and our electoral process as they are.

Or better yet, allow more than two parties to run.

There is no limit to the number of parties that can run. There are hurdles to all parties (particularly in getting on the national ballot), and those hurdles are trivially easy for the two major parties to pass. For instance, 15% of the vote in previous elections.

This is what you were defending (I mention it only because auto-prune would have removed it):

Personally I think those who caused the rigging should be put in jail.

Maybe they should if they are as involved in the government and our electoral process as they are.

Unless you're proposing that legal restrictions should apply to Democratic and Republican parties but no others, you're actually proposing another hurdle for all parties to pass. And like the existing hurdles it would be easier, by employing lawyers, for the two major parties to pass that hurdle than for any minor party to do so.

In short, passing laws to govern party conventions would FURTHER ESTABLISH the two party system.