Seattle Mayor Calls for Removal of Lenin Statue

[Liberated Territories]

You can't be consistent if you want to see a statue of the CSA torn down but not a statue of one of the worst dictators of the 20th century.

[Washington Resistance Army]

"If the far right screeches whataboutisms long and loud enough, some idiot in government somewhere will fall for it"?

Well I am sorry you think a man who inspired the actions of the syndicalists during the second American civil war isn't important. What next you going to give the southerners, and Midwesterners cause to keep their statues of the Kingfish? Or worse the New Engladers cause to think they should have just stayed in Canada? Oh the bitter dissapointment I have right now Lir.

Stop spreading mistruths. The only statues anyone needs are of President Pelley.

[Benuty]

Well I am sorry you think a man who inspired the actions of the syndicalists during the second American civil war isn't important. What next you going to give the southerners, and Midwesterners cause to keep their statues of the Kingfish? Or worse the New Engladers cause to think they should have just stayed in Canada? Oh the bitter dissapointment I have right now Lir.

Stop spreading mistruths. The only statues anyone needs are of President Pelley.

The American Caeser should have statues it is fitting he was the first founding father of our new America after all.

[Ifreann]

Pieces of shit get to have statues to them, though, so, you know, whatever.

This gives me an idea...

I'm going to need some bronze or iron though.

Something you can polish up real nice.

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You can't be consistent if you want to see a statue of the CSA torn down but not a statue of one of the worst dictators of the 20th century.

Yes you can.

[New Grestin]

You can't be consistent if you want to see a statue of the CSA torn down but not a statue of one of the worst dictators of the 20th century.

Lenin wasn't the one organizing Five Year Plans and exterminating fifth columnists.

Lenin helped overthrow a democratic provisional government and caused a bloody civil war, only to die and have his revolution hijacked by a paranoid nutcase who became one of the worst dictators of the 20th Century.

If anything, Lenin is a cautionary tale of the dangers of violent revolution and radicalism, but his crimes as the leader of the Soviet Union pale to those perpetrated by his former comrades.

[Kramania]

Lenin killed far more people than the Confederacy did, so if we're going to remove Confederate statues we might as remove Lenin statues.

Fuck communism.

[Ifreann]

Lenin killed far more people than the Confederacy did, so if we're going to remove Confederate statues we might as remove Lenin statues.

Why? No one wants to take down Confederate statues because Confederates killed people.

Fuck communism.

If that's what you're into.

[Liriena]

"If the far right screeches whataboutisms long and loud enough, some idiot in government somewhere will fall for it"?

> some idiot in government somewhere will fall for it?
> Mayor of Seattle
> Democrat

kek

Hey, even a Seattle Democrat can be an idiot.

[Liriena]

"If the far right screeches whataboutisms long and loud enough, some idiot in government somewhere will fall for it"?

Well I am sorry you think a man who inspired the actions of the syndicalists during the second American civil war isn't important. What next you going to give the southerners, and Midwesterners cause to keep their statues of the Kingfish? Or worse the New Engladers cause to think they should have just stayed in Canada? Oh the bitter dissapointment I have right now Lir.

Damn, I feel terrible now.

[Liriena]

"If the far right screeches whataboutisms long and loud enough, some idiot in government somewhere will fall for it"?

Lenin shouldn't be in the US

Hey, if that French lady with a torch gets to stay, so does Lenin.

[Liriena]

Fuck communism.

If that's what you're into.

Seize the means of reproduction, comrade.

[Liriena]

You can't be consistent if you want to see a statue of the CSA torn down but not a statue of one of the worst dictators of the 20th century.

Hyperbole is fun.

[Ifreann]

If that's what you're into.

Seize the means of reproduction, comrade.

From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.

[Liriena]

You can't be consistent if you want to see a statue of the CSA torn down but not a statue of one of the worst dictators of the 20th century.

Lenin wasn't the one organizing Five Year Plans and exterminating fifth columnists.

Lenin helped overthrow a democratic provisional government and caused a bloody civil war, only to die and have his revolution hijacked by a paranoid nutcase who became one of the worst dictators of the 20th Century.

If anything, Lenin is a cautionary tale of the dangers of violent revolution and radicalism, but his crimes as the leader of the Soviet Union pale to those perpetrated by his former comrades.

Note so self: Don't start a revolution if you're not 100% sure you'll be succeeded by a sane person.

[Benuty]

Lenin wasn't the one organizing Five Year Plans and exterminating fifth columnists.

Lenin helped overthrow a democratic provisional government and caused a bloody civil war, only to die and have his revolution hijacked by a paranoid nutcase who became one of the worst dictators of the 20th Century.

If anything, Lenin is a cautionary tale of the dangers of violent revolution and radicalism, but his crimes as the leader of the Soviet Union pale to those perpetrated by his former comrades.

Note so self: Don't start a revolution if you're not 100% sure you'll be succeeded by a sane person.

Even better note to self: Construct a doomsday weapon that takes down everyone else with you should you fall.

[Colbert Super PAC]

They should do the same thing as Ukraine did with one of its Lenin statues.

[Liriena]

Note so self: Don't start a revolution if you're not 100% sure you'll be succeeded by a sane person.

Even better note to self: Construct a doomsday weapon that takes down everyone else with you should you fall.

I've watched too much Kubrick to do that.

[Benuty]

Even better note to self: Construct a doomsday weapon that takes down everyone else with you should you fall.

I've watched too much Kubrick to do that.

Never hurts to cleanse the world in heavenly fire, and start over again.

[Zurkerx]

Do it.

If it's on someone's private property, only they can remove it. Otherwise, it's not going anywhere.

[New Grestin]

Lenin wasn't the one organizing Five Year Plans and exterminating fifth columnists.

Lenin helped overthrow a democratic provisional government and caused a bloody civil war, only to die and have his revolution hijacked by a paranoid nutcase who became one of the worst dictators of the 20th Century.

If anything, Lenin is a cautionary tale of the dangers of violent revolution and radicalism, but his crimes as the leader of the Soviet Union pale to those perpetrated by his former comrades.

Note so self: Don't start a revolution if you're not 100% sure you'll be succeeded by a sane person.

Even without my more socialist leanings, I'd still rather have a statue of a misguided, well-intentioned revolutionary than a statue of someone who fought to maintain an abhorrent status quo.

[Triblios]

I think we're all missing the eternal irony here that a statue of Vladimir Lenin was erected on private property.

No Irony there. The land/statue isn't even Private Property when talking from a Socialist perspective, it's Personal Property, unless that statue somehow doubles as a factory being operated by a workforce that doesn't own it.

[Seangoli]

You can't be consistent if you want to see a statue of the CSA torn down but not a statue of one of the worst dictators of the 20th century.

Let's look at the context:

One was put up because a guy bought it because he enjoyed the artistic style of the artist who created it. He found it in a junkyard, brought it over, and immediately died (seriously). It was then moved to an artistic neighborhood, largely based on the artistic style of the sculpture. The statue then went on to be considered a weird sort of bounty of war, and is not really taken with any level of seriousness. The statue is defaced on a near constant basis for everything from draping Christmas tree lights over it to dressing it in drag during Pride parades. In other words, Lenin isn't being glorified by the sculpture at all, but instead is used almost for complete mockery. The only kind of "memoralization" in the monument at all is for pure artistic style, and nobody seems to actually be glorifying the figure at all. Equally, and rather importantly here, Lenin doesn't have a damn fucking thing to do with American History proper. Any "outrage" over his portrayal is faux outrage and whataboutism by but-hurt racists who can't fathom the concept of context.

The other depicts people who fought to enslave people based on their race. In America. Directly impacting American History. You know, because it's fucking in the US. And involved people in the US. And these were constructed to send a political message to the darkies about who was in power.

I'm sorry, but if you can't see the difference between what is basically considered a complete joke and one memorializing institutional racism, that's your issue. People who have a broad understanding of context, and are not filled with faux outrage and whataboutism are capable of seeing the world in a much broader picture.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Any "outrage" over his portrayal is faux outrage and whataboutism by but-hurt racists who can't fathom the concept of context.

Or, you know, some people could just dislike having a statue of a murderous foreign dictator in their country at all.

But hey everyone who disagrees with you is just a racist. Winning attitude right there.

[Seangoli]

I think we're all missing the eternal irony here that a statue of Vladimir Lenin was erected on private property.

No Irony there. The land/statue isn't even Private Property when talking from a Socialist perspective, it's Personal Property, unless that statue somehow doubles as a factory being operated by a workforce that doesn't own it.

I mean, the person who bought the damn thing only bought it because he thought it looked cool. It isn't even meant to make a political statement, and wasn't erected for socialist ideals or anything of the sort. He literally thought it was a neat piece of art. And it was placed in an artistic neighborhood to, you know, showcase the art style. Not only that, the statue isn't even respected by the community proper and is defaced on a regular basis. It's treated as a complete joke, and doesn't have any level of real veneration, particular as far as the subject is concerned.

[Seangoli]

Any "outrage" over his portrayal is faux outrage and whataboutism by but-hurt racists who can't fathom the concept of context.

Or, you know, some people could just dislike having a statue of a murderous foreign dictator in their country at all.

But hey everyone who disagrees with you is just a racist. Winning attitude right there.

So where were these people prior to the Confederate monument issue? If it was such a big deal, then why didn't anyone create a ruckus until they needed a scapegoat whataboutist faux argument?

Equally, this completely misses two key points: The monument is not venerating Lenin and instead is treated as a joke by the community, and Lenin has nothing to do with American history.

To be honest, I actually don't care much about the Lenin statue either way. I just find the comparison to the Confederate monuments patently ridiculous.