"Identity politics is the handmaiden of neoliberalism"

[Gim]

You mean something like the U.S. National Library of Medicine?

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/primer/traits/intelligence

So how does that make certain people better than others at given tasks because of their genes?

And from your own source:

Intelligence is also strongly influenced by the environment. Factors related to a child’s home environment and parenting, education and availability of learning resources, and nutrition, among others, all contribute to intelligence. A person’s environment and genes influence each other, and it can be challenging to tease apart the effects of the environment from those of genetics. For example, if a child’s IQ is similar to that of his or her parents, is that similarity due to genetic factors passed down from parent to child, to shared environmental factors, or (most likely) to a combination of both? It is clear that both environmental and genetic factors play a part in determining intelligence.

So the short answer is that research is still unclear about the actual effects of a person's genes on intelligence.

"It is clear that both environmental and genetic factors play a part in determining intelligence."

It's proven.

[Vassenor]

So how does that make certain people better than others at given tasks because of their genes?

And from your own source:



So the short answer is that research is still unclear about the actual effects of a person's genes on intelligence.

"It is clear that both environmental and genetic factors play a part in determining intelligence."

It's proven.

But to what extent? And how does that demonstrate the poster's original point about some people being genetically superior to others?

[Gim]

"It is clear that both environmental and genetic factors play a part in determining intelligence."

It's proven.

But to what extent? And how does that demonstrate the poster's original point about some people being genetically superior to others?

I don't know, to be honest.

[The Hyacinth Flower]

Im new to this thread, and yall seem to be on that wild shit (namely social darwinism) but im here to say that i dont think identity politics is a way to strengthen a neoliberal state of single representation, but rather its a way to foment and realize our own identities, if we focus solely on our individual struggle we truly are playing into the hands of a capitalist state, but as a trans black woman, youre also fighting for the struggles of other trans black women; ultimately, i think, if we want to truly reform the system we need to accept intersectionality by recognizing the issues that we have in common while addressing that they have different sources, and not always everyone is on board with this because sometimes we forget to acknowledge and listen to others and focus on our own indvidual struggles, but not as to why these problems exist or try to get a deeper understanding of them (and thats when i think youve fallen for the capitalist state, when liberalism simplifies and comodifies your problems and turns them into things you can share on your coorporate social media account)

for example, the philly lgbt community introducing a new pride flag that has a black and brown stripes to represent the works and efforts of black and brown people in the community and also address the issue of the growing racism within the lgbt community, i think its a way of being intersectional and fight for your rights while acknowledging the ways that the problems cross with eachother and/or affect eachother as a unified group of the ¨disenfranchised¨ (many communist circles acknowledge this by being well versed in the issues that affect other minorities, and in change many minorities try to focus on issues that are true to other individuals that are affected under capitalism (but this doesnt always happen as seen in the case of the ¨gays for trump¨)

also to add on this, there are people who would rather find a way to fit into the narrative of the oppressed than to see why are people oppressed in the first place, and i think that has to do more to the way liberalism tries to paint these grand, almost romantic struggles, as what you need to fight instead of materialist oppression as something that needs to be addressed, so i feel like that is a consequence to liberalism rather than identity politics.

[Kennlind]

What's wrong with identity politics? Your identity plays a big part in defining who you are, you should cherish it.

[Gim]

What's wrong with identity politics? Your identity plays a big part in defining who you are, you should cherish it.

I do, but some don't.

[Kennlind]

What's wrong with identity politics? Your identity plays a big part in defining who you are, you should cherish it.

I do, but some don't.

Yeah I don't like ethnosupremacists making it everything about them and I certainly don't like the idea that you should only associate with people of a similar identity but I equally detest those who completely reject their identity.

[Gim]

I do, but some don't.

Yeah I don't like ethnosupremacists making it everything about them and I certainly don't like the idea that you should only associate with people of a similar identity but I equally detest those who completely reject their identity.

Yes, they should accept their identity. I strongly agree with that.

[East Angria]

I do, but some don't.

Yeah I don't like ethnosupremacists making it everything about them and I certainly don't like the idea that you should only associate with people of a similar identity but I equally detest those who completely reject their identity.

Yes, they should accept their identity. I strongly agree with that.

You guys should read the thread. Idpol is not about accepting or not accepting your identity. It's about exclusively caring about the needs and conditions of one certain identity group, and nothing and no one else.

[Vassenor]

Yeah I don't like ethnosupremacists making it everything about them and I certainly don't like the idea that you should only associate with people of a similar identity but I equally detest those who completely reject their identity.

Yes, they should accept their identity. I strongly agree with that.

You guys should read the thread. Idpol is not about accepting or not accepting your identity. It's about exclusively caring about the needs and conditions of one certain identity group, and nothing and no one else.

But there seems to be one hell of a correlation between people screaming about identity politics and white supremacists.

Despite white supremacy being identity politics writ large.

[Liberated Territories]

Horsecocky.

Identity politics are collectivist, and therefore against liberalism.

[Kennlind]

Yeah I don't like ethnosupremacists making it everything about them and I certainly don't like the idea that you should only associate with people of a similar identity but I equally detest those who completely reject their identity.

Yes, they should accept their identity. I strongly agree with that.

You guys should read the thread. Idpol is not about accepting or not accepting your identity. It's about exclusively caring about the needs and conditions of one certain identity group, and nothing and no one else.

You can support identity politics and care about other groups.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You guys should read the thread. Idpol is not about accepting or not accepting your identity. It's about exclusively caring about the needs and conditions of one certain identity group, and nothing and no one else.

But there seems to be one hell of a correlation between people screaming about identity politics and white supremacists.

Despite white supremacy being identity politics writ large.

Maybe it's actually two different groups and you're just conflating them.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://freebeacon.com/politics/actor-in ... ve-values/

"actor-insists-emoji-movie-fight-trump-young-people-adopt-progressive-values"

lol.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_emoji_movie/

"Hear that? It's the end of the world."

It's a joke. They're laughing at you.
Remember ghostbusters and how they got millions of progressives to shill on their behalf for a shitty reboot that didn't understand the original?
Yeh.


Oh, by the way:

http://time.com/money/4891175/get-out-j ... ovie-2017/

‘Get Out’ Is the Most Profitable Film of 2017

+

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/get_out/

"In a double whammy of satire, Get Out upends all the expected tropes of the horror movie and gives middle-class white liberals a thorough skewering."

(Tropes)

During Chris's Roaring Rampage of Revenge, we see Rose sitting in her room in all-white clothing, looking at top black NCAA prospects while drinking white milk through a black straw. Not only is she dressed in all white clothing and drinking milk but she has a bowl of dry Fruit Loops next to her, separated from the white milk...

Chris starts to wonder which of the weekend's uncomfortable events are really all that weird (whether due to prejudice or something worse) and whether they're just manifestations of his own sensitivity and discomfort. Rose insists that her family are awkward and unhip, but not actually racist or even conservative. Rose is using this ambiguity to gaslight Chris into mistrusting his own intuition until it's too late.

Etc.

So it's not even very profitable, and clearly flops compared to satire of Identity politics and SJWs, and has repeatedly done so.

[South Callahen]

People are still blaming negative things on Neoliberalism come back to me when you find another ideology that works 100% of the time.

[The Serbian Empire]

I count two Frenchmen and a commie who I don't feel like bothering with. Hardly everyone in this thread. But such self-centeredness is not uncommon amongst traditional far-leftists - you are, not unlike how Randroids see themselves, the only *real* woke people.

> two Frenchmen and a commie

Scratch even a little and you'll see that streak of racism and hysteria that still infects so many American liberals. Very sad.

The problem with America is that one can't run away from the racist past that where the economy was built on plundering and enslaving.

People are still blaming negative things on Neoliberalism come back to me when you find another ideology that works 100% of the time.

If it worked 100% of the time, why was Trump elected?

[South Callahen]

> two Frenchmen and a commie

Scratch even a little and you'll see that streak of racism and hysteria that still infects so many American liberals. Very sad.

The problem with America is that one can't run away from the racist past that where the economy was built on plundering and enslaving.

People are still blaming negative things on Neoliberalism come back to me when you find another ideology that works 100% of the time.

If it worked 100% of the time, why was Trump elected?

Because people gave into his far-right populism. I should remind you the neoliberal candidate Hillary got more votes though.

[Kennlind]

The problem with America is that one can't run away from the racist past that where the economy was built on plundering and enslaving.


If it worked 100% of the time, why was Trump elected?

Because people gave into his far-right populism. I should remind you the neoliberal candidate Hillary got more votes though.

mfw neoliberals are responsible for the rise of the far-right
neoliberalism failed the working class, right-wing populism/radical left politics are sane responses to it

[Brocialist]

You guys should read the thread. Idpol is not about accepting or not accepting your identity. It's about exclusively caring about the needs and conditions of one certain identity group, and nothing and no one else.

But there seems to be one hell of a correlation between people screaming about identity politics and white supremacists.

Despite white supremacy being identity politics writ large.

Because it's a 100% proven fact that brocialists who complain about idpol are all white supremacists /s

But you said it yourself. White supremacism is a form of identity politics.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because people gave into his far-right populism. I should remind you the neoliberal candidate Hillary got more votes though.

mfw neoliberals are responsible for the rise of the far-right
neoliberalism failed the working class, right-wing populism/radical left politics are sane responses to it

Pretty much this, but it also failed the middle class. It only benefits the ultrarich.

[Benjabobaria]

Couldn't agree more OP.
The "American leftist and critic of the left" in my signature reflects the saddening fact that both the far-left and far-right have become obsessed with race almost to the point of fascism.

[Taostic Aesthetics]

Identity politics is, in my opinion, a vile self masochistic victimhood disorder which really has no basis in reality.

Are some people low in the economical ladder? Yes.
Will identity politics help them? No.

[Kennlind]

mfw neoliberals are responsible for the rise of the far-right
neoliberalism failed the working class, right-wing populism/radical left politics are sane responses to it

Pretty much this, but it also failed the middle class. It only benefits the ultrarich.

I suppose (I'm working class tho idc about the middle class) which is always why I found it weird that most of the political middle class people were neoliberals if they weren't centre-left.

[Arkinesia]

“The handmaiden of neoliberalism”? Christ, nobody knows what neoliberal even means anymore.

[Washington Resistance Army]

“The handmaiden of neoliberalism”? Christ, nobody knows what neoliberal even means anymore.

That does tend to happen when the ideology stands for nothing at all