Curious Observations | Funkadelia sold Lazarus to... Adytus?

[New Rogernomics]

Yes, we need to generalize, not specialize upon defenderdom (coughs [And Raiderdom!] coughs) in this. This is all about Gameplay unity: working together to achieve a common goal without our GP orientation interfering.

But it's not about Gameplay unity at all. If anything, it's about Cormac trying to widen the gap between the two sides and trying to get some political capital in Lazarus if Funk coups.

I have had my share of disagreements with Funkadelia, but Funkadelia couping would be a stretch, and be out of character. I don't really see a point to Cormac bringing all this stuff up about kicking out defenders, purges, and so on, when they have been politically renounced tactics in Lazarus for years now. Even if you disagree with Funkadelia's administration, it hasn't done anything blatantly illegal, or rigged elections, allegations of voter roll stacking aside. As for the other allegations, if people can prove them in Lazarene court, then a discussion has to be had there.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I don't really see a point to Cormac bringing all this stuff up about kicking out defenders, purges, and so on, when they have been politically renounced tactics in Lazarus for years now.

Have they been renounced? The Church of Satan is suggesting that "imported voters" -- by which he means recent non-defender citizenship applicants, who have not been proven to be "imported" -- aren't Lazarenes, may be regarded as enemies, and could be subject to removal. Would that not be a purge?

Purges aren't needed when a faction is in control, so it is no surprise that we haven't seen them for years, as the defender-userite faction has been firmly in control for years. Now that the defender-userite faction is losing control, they are seeking to purge "imported voters" without being bothered with the need to prove they have actually been imported. Defender-userites will always return to such tactics if necessary. It's what they do.

I am advocating that Funkadelia purge them, for the good of Lazarus, because Lazarus will be kept under their boot if he doesn't. If they reassert their control now, as they are seeking to do, there is no reason to think we won't see another several years of defender-userite control, accompanied by the chronic inactivity and dysfunction their control over Lazarus has brought in recent years. They can't be allowed to do this to Lazarus again.

[Dirty Yellow Pickles]

Right, I should just stay silent while Cormac, Rachel and others who don't actually have a stake in the outcome speak their blind propaganda unopposed. As if I care what you think. Who even are you little fish? This ocean is clearly too big for you. Go back to whatever stream you flailed up to get here. xD

Look at the capital letters in the name little fish, Dirty Yellow Pickles. Now will you take the hint and stop making a fool of yourself and Laz?

[Cormactopia Prime]

Right, I should just stay silent while Cormac, Rachel and others who don't actually have a stake in the outcome speak their blind propaganda unopposed. As if I care what you think. Who even are you little fish? This ocean is clearly too big for you. Go back to whatever stream you flailed up to get here. xD

Look at the capital letters in the name little fish, Dirty Yellow Pickles. Now will you take the hint and stop making a fool of yourself and Laz?

Don't forget the Rejected Realms.

[New Rogernomics]

I don't really see a point to Cormac bringing all this stuff up about kicking out defenders, purges, and so on, when they have been politically renounced tactics in Lazarus for years now.

Have they been renounced? The Church of Satan is suggesting that "imported voters" -- by which he means recent non-defender citizenship applicants, who have not been proven to be "imported" -- aren't Lazarenes, may be regarded as enemies, and could be subject to removal. Would that not be a purge?

The Church of Satan is not the Sovereign/WAD, or in charge of the foreign affairs of Lazarus, but a private citizen. No Sovereign post PRL/NLO has seriously advocated a coup. Until such an allegation of vote stacking is proven, in a court or otherwise, it is just that, an allegation, not absolute fact. As for my own opinion, I doubt new residents would be ejected, even if the allegations were proven true, and in any case the issue would be with the Sovereign - who is responsible for overseeing citizenship applications. It would have to be a wide-ranging conspiracy, with all of them being told by a Sovereign to 'help him/her take over' the region, to realistically result in any kind of ejection, and a crime has to be proven for that to occur.

Purges aren't needed when a faction is in control, so it is no surprise that we haven't seen them for years, as the defender-userite faction has been firmly in control for years. Now that the defender-userite faction is losing control, they are seeking to purge "imported voters" without being bothered with the need to prove they have actually been imported. Defender-userites will always return to such tactics if necessary.

There isn't one faction in control though, as Lazarus has a separation of powers in place, in fact the last revision to the constitution added another position to compliment and if necessary, counteract, the Sovereign or sitting delegate. I don't see how private citizens stating how they don't like Funk's administration, translates to any kind of official policy of the sitting Sovereign or any future opposition candidate to 'purging' anyone. To eject anyone, it would have to go through the court, as unless a nation is attempting to coup the WAD it would be illegal to eject them. I haven't seen any political faction advocating breaking regional law.

I am advocating that Funkadelia purge them, for the good of Lazarus, because Lazarus will always be kept firmly under their boot if he doesn't.

Which is a silly, and absurd idea. Lazarus doesn't need another major purge, let alone a coup, especially due to the instability and chaos it would create. It isn't under someone's boot, and won't be firmly either, as Lazarus has been becoming more independent, and not less. Having worked with Funkadelia, that isn't how he does things. It would be like applying a sledgehammer to nail, when only an ordinary hammer is required.

If they reassert their control now, as they are seeking to do, there is no reason to think we won't see another several years of defender-userite control,

There hasn't been any viable or active movement to establish 'defender-userite control', and there won't be in the future. Behind the scenes talk, is more about issues with Funk's leadership style, not 'hey lets kick out all the raiders, and build a Über-Defender Lazarus'. You are advocating to solve a problem that effectively doesn't exist.

accompanied by the chronic inactivity and dysfunction their control over Lazarus has brought in recent years.

If you have been in Lazarus, as long as I have, if not DYP and others who have been there longer, then you should realize that inactivity and dysfunction in Lazarus is not exclusive to any R/D alignment.

They can't be allowed to do this to Lazarus again.

No one is going to revive the PRL or the NLO for that matter. At one point a theme change was discussed in the PRL direction, but to paraphrase the proponents own words it was 'do some crazy stuff' and have fun with it, not go full on purging everyone who isn't the right R/D alignment or disagrees with the government. Lazarus, as I understand it, is still committed to defending other regions through the military. It is also a stretch to suggest that if you advocate the Lazarene military carrying out defenses, you must then advocate for all areas of government to be defender, and I haven't seen anyone that is 'defender' aligned in Lazarus actually advocate that.

[Cormactopia Prime]

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Can you explain to me why these threads in Gameplay exist? The hysteria and conspiracy theorizing on the part of the dissidents seems to run counter to your assertions that everything is basically fine and no one is going to be purged. Why would they go to all the trouble of blowing this up into a huge thing in Gameplay -- as well as getting multiple dispatches up-voted onto the front page -- if they intend to do nothing about it? What's the purpose?

Or do you think this is just to generate negative publicity ahead of the Sovereign election, to generate interregional backlash and pressure against Funkadelia and to entice more defenders into Lazarus to vote for a candidate other than Funkadelia? In other words, is this just a campaign tactic?

Your calmness seems out of step with what the dissidents are actually saying and doing. They are not calm. They are screaming about subversion.

[The Church of Satan]

Cormac don't even begin to misinterpret my words. You don't speak for me and you definitely don't speak for anyone in Lazarus. I don't care who's alignment is what. As far as the imported voters go they came to Lazarus to vote, not to get involved in the community. So they, regardless of alignment, should not be in Lazarus. It's that simple.

DYP next time just use your main or something. I don't have time to keep track of everyone's puppet nations. >_>
And no I will not shut up. Nor will any of us. We won't be silenced. Our voices will be heard and justice will be served. We will fight corruption no matter how high in our government it is. And we will not be stopped.

[Davelands]

It would appear that the situation in Lazarus has been resolved.
If it is positive or negative is now up for debate.

[Pentaga Giudici]

It would appear that the situation in Lazarus has been resolved.
If it is positive or negative is now up for debate.

No, it hasn't. It looks like Funk is either attempting a coup or others are attempting to coup him.

This literally just happened minutes ago. Who knows who is lying, likely both sides.

[The Riots of America]

Being ejected is hardly a traditional way to attempt a coup.

[Pierconium]

Either way, it looks like the Delegacy is precarious since Funkadelia utilized most of its Influence in those ejections.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I would like to congratulate Sovereign Funkadelia on doing what is necessary to defend the sovereignty of Lazarus.

[Pentaga Giudici]

I would like to congratulate Sovereign Funkadelia on doing what is necessary to defend the sovereignty of Lazarus.

The people he is accusing are most of the government and have been for a long-ass time.

It's like the Democratic party accusing the Republican one, then locking people up.

Also, we have had a lot of laws get passed on shady ground and people have been screaming at each other for months now.

So fucking stupid.

[Vuori Kunin-Grrs]

Either way, it looks like the Delegacy is precarious since Funkadelia utilized most of its Influence in those ejections.

...I do believe that Funk is clearly concentrating power with himself.

There is no better time for the Delegacy to be taken from him, permanently, than now. Things might get messy.

[Pentaga Giudici]

Either way, it looks like the Delegacy is precarious since Funkadelia utilized most of its Influence in those ejections.

...I do believe that Funk is clearly concentrating power with himself.

There is no better time for the Delegacy to be taken from him, permanently, than now. Things might get messy.

The guy kicked me out of Discord and locked the Discord down to me.

This proves he's up to shit.

[The NAtion OF Froggy]

Either way, it looks like the Delegacy is precarious since Funkadelia utilized most of its Influence in those ejections.

I would like to add it looks that way for the whole of the governing body, from my point of view.

[Malayan Singapura]

What in the world just happened. A coup ? This is going to be a hell of a civil war coming up. My support to the peoples who want to crush the Raiders Bloc of Lazarus

[Reventus Koth]

This resistance was doomed from the second Ikania started vocally supporting it. We're now 2 for 2 on resistances that fail while Ikania is supporting it and Cormac is not

In fact, the rhetoric being repeated by CoS reminds me very much of the Osiran resistance of days gone by. If history does indeed repeat itself, we can take solace in knowing we won't have to hear it for much longer

[Consular]

Regardless of who is right and that stuff, you guys got outplayed by Funk very handily.

[Canton Empire]

Regardless of who is right and that stuff, you guys got outplayed by Fuck very handily.

I hope that was autocorrect

[Consular]

Thanks for pointing that out. It was indeed autocorrected, my apologies.

[The Church of Satan]

This resistance was doomed from the second Ikania started vocally supporting it. We're now 2 for 2 on resistances that fail while Ikania is supporting it and Cormac is not

In fact, the rhetoric being repeated by CoS reminds me very much of the Osiran resistance of days gone by. If history does indeed repeat itself, we can take solace in knowing we won't have to hear it for much longer

You clearly don't know me then. I'm no quitter.

[Solorni]

Consular, you are savage. Why not tell us how you really feel about Funk?

[Brunhizzle]

Or do we think he's going to end up back in Osiris?

You mean like when he became a citizen in Osiris two months ago?

[Curious Observations]

Funkadelia sold Lazarus to... Adytus?

Last September, before Neo Kervoskia became the Pharaoh of Osiris and Adytus became its Chief Vizier, they had discussed various foreign policy goals of Osiris, and Adytus was very clear in what he thought of Lazarus.

Cormac is the only reason I'm here [Osiris] to begin with, and why I'm not burning away in that defender hell, Lazarus.

I get treated like shit in Lazarus, so half-hearted sounds like them.

Well, to fix that in the long run, we are going to have to be politically aggressive like the defenders are in their home regions. Always making sure that there are at least a couple friendly citizens in Lazarus, or wherever they are that is important so keep those regions from outright nonsense.

We can't simply invade Lazarus for example.
The best way to handle that would be to make sure we work with competing factions in the government, or outright encourage some of our own citizens to get duel citizenship in regions that could be a threat, like TSP for example.

Source: here and here.

What is striking about these logs is that they are, to any reasonable reader, a smoking gun. First, the logs show Adytus' motives for wanting to change or subvert Lazarus. He felt like he was treated poorly, he felt like it was a "defender hell" (ironic, given that it had individuals like Yuno, then purely raider, in the government at the time), and that it was liable to engage in "complete nonsense". Furthermore, the logs show a willingness to do something about it in subversive means, specifically by voter importation.

10 months later, there was an influx of new voters (which I had demonstrated in my previous report). This is undeniably true, even if you disagree that Funkadelia and associates committed a textbook coup d'etat. Then, with Funkadelia's political opponents summarily evicted from Lazarus, there was little in the way to create a new constitution, granting vast powers to Funkadelia and giving full control over the court system to a single person: Adytus, who can now stick it to all of those that he hated so much before.

Was this a long-term plan come to fruition, or is this a conspiracy theory of an obviously biased individual? Your opinion is likely influenced by whether you support Funkadelia's new Undead Dominion, or by the resistance that still operates the Celestial Union in exile. Either way, I have no definitive proof, though I can present many small details that, when placed together, certainly raise feasible suspicions on the true motives of all of the individuals involved.

Let us take a look at Cormac, for example. Cormac was Pharaoh of Osiris at the time of these logs, and had just called for a state of emergency in Osiris, including dissolving the court and granting vast unilateral power to himself, in response to the region Islamic Republics of Iran, a former Osiran colony, being refounded by (as is now known) Funkadelia. And yet, Cormac (despite being a loyal Osiran citizen again) sees no issue with this now, instead loudly expressing support for Funkadelia's recent coup d'etat. Osiris itself has remained publicly neutral, though several Osiran citizens have now also joined the Undead Dominion. If IRoI being held by an outside group was such a gigantic problem, then why is Cormac not refusing to support Funkadelia while he holds that region?

Furthermore, let us look at Lamb Stone (a.k.a. Scum), who is not just Funkadelia's right-hand man in Lazarus and current best friend in the game, but now also serves in The West Pacific as Minister of Recruitment and Citizenry and is an "old friend" of Big Bad Badger. Badger, on the other hand, joined Lazarus in April and has been a consistent voter in support of policies espoused by Funkadelia and Lamb Stone in that time.

Finally, what do Adytus, Neo Kervoskia, and Badger, as well as new Lazarus citizens Wrektopia, Altino, and Rigel all have in common? They are all members of the Rahl family, an influential group of individuals that hold inordinate power in The West Pacific and Osiris, the two GCRs that now have the most cross-membership with Funkadelia's Undead Dominion.

In a defender chat last year, Funkadelia once reminisced about the PRL, and specifically how awesome it was to be the Delegate in that system due to the vast power that position had. Maybe Funkadelia is but a pawn, being placated with that very "powerful" role as Delegate under a new mandate in his home region, while a group of ambitious and politically sophisticated people, through the strings operated by his best friend Lamb Stone, keep him in line to have control of yet another GCR.