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Postby Luminesa » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:17 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Lord, don't even say that. :(


We've got four years -- at least -- to play Russian roulette with the Atlantic Ocean and we're in the hands of a man who will probably blame the next Category 5 hurricane on Hillary Clinton.

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

(Sorry. One Katrina was enough. I'd rather not even imagine another one coming...)
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Postby Astrolinium » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:19 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Why?


Cause I voted for him, and will vote for him again.


Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.
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Postby Seangoli » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:20 pm

Valrifell wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:Any chance he'll be a single term president?


That chance seems to be very high. Especially considering the other people who had this kinda rating and when.

The Democrats just need to field someone with higher than a ~37% approval nationally, any blank slate can accomplish that. The only way Trump won't become a single-term president is if turnout is horrendously low, he has a massive turnaround, or the Democrats nominate a dull loser again.

The last option is a frighteningly real possibility.


I'm fairly certain that if Hilary were to run today, she would win. Any optimism from more moderate folk about a Trump presidency has utterly eroded and evaporated, and he's shown his true colors. He won by the most razor thin of margins in many states, and it does not take much lost support to swing these states. Michigan was won by a meager 11,000 votes; Wisconsin by 23,000; Pennsylvania by 43,000. Those three states alone would swing the entire election. If we through North Carolina (160,000), Florida (110,000) and Arizona (90,000).

Basically, I feel that a lot of people right now would just not vote for Trump if the election were held today, even if they don't vote for Hilary. Of course, I really don't think she should run at all, ever again for a myriad of reasons.

Here in lies the conundrum for Trump's Presidency: Everything is obstensibly good right now. The economy is good, unemployment is low, on his own platform illegal immigration is down to its lowest level in decades. Violent crime is at historic lows across the board.

By all measures, the country is in great shape. Which is a huge problem for Trump, because his approval is absolute shit even when the country is doing great. Anything he does that is beneficial will have only a nominal impact. And boy does that not translate to success well to the average American worker. He burned up a huge amount of political capital he had on healthcare reform, and now people are going to be suspicious as all hell about anything the Republicans try to push through as they just don't have the momentum.

It's also a hell of a lot easier to lose approval than to gain it. The only time where a significant jump in popularity occurred was on 9/11, when Bush's approval rating skyrocketed to 90% and then declined from there for the rest of his career. Obama trended down almost during the entirety of his Presidency, however gained some in his last year as the shit-show that was brewing up during the election had people nervous coupled with a generally strengthening economy. Still, that was a long sustained growth in approval that happened over years, and even at that his lowest point was about 45% approval.

I just don't see how Trump plans to gain back his early support from this point. Quoting the stock market isn't likely to do anything, because those gains are not being actualized in people's bankroll. Getting tough on immigration isn't really doing much anymore, as illegal immigration is already low. Healthcare reform could work, but he needs to have an actual plan rather than some half-cocked idea that they can repeal Obamacare, and let people actually suffer the consequences in order to get the Senate to pass literally anything. I personally don't think he has the patience for that. Perhaps another terrorist attack could get him some favor, but even then I think he'd fuck it up somehow (And a lot of the extremist groups, particularly ISIS, are reeling right now after concerted efforts in the Middle East to stamp them out by the various countries there). Even true gains in the economy are unlikely to have a major impact on his approval, as it just isn't going to be noticeable on a macro-scale and would likely just be minor gains (As there's not much more he can do to spur growth beyond what is going on right now).

Meanwhile, the possibility of things getting worse is all too real: An economic recession caused by the loosening of financial regulations (such as in 2008) could very easily occur. Even a somewhat minor economic downturn would be near disasterous for him political, as he has billed himself as the man to "fix" our economy. A rise in illegal immigration during his Presidency would look incredibly bad, as his policies would look like bunk. Increased violence would also spell disaster, as it means that he is the one who fucked up. A war with North Korea would not end well for anyone, except under the pretenses that North Korea nuked us first (Which is something I doubt they will do), and a pre-emptive strike would destroy his credibility. The only reason Bush got away with it himself was due to being able to ride post 9/11 rhetoric and fears. We simply don't have that with North Korea.

It's pretty damn grim for Trump politically. He spent so long telling people that everything is terrible that he seems to have actually bought his own bullshit. And when you buy your own bullshit, you have no one but yourself to blame when you get burned.

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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:20 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
If he's feeling really generous, he might send extra for eating.

Though MREs we were sent sound really good by comparison right now...


Man, I remember the first one I got after Katrina. Was grilled chicken, and it even had grill marks on it. Tasted like heaven.

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
I hope we have 8 years of President Trump.


Why?


For the edge.

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Why?


Cause I voted for him, and will vote for him again.


And the negative consequences to America and the rest of the world be damned!

Luminesa wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
We've got four years -- at least -- to play Russian roulette with the Atlantic Ocean and we're in the hands of a man who will probably blame the next Category 5 hurricane on Hillary Clinton.

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

(Sorry. One Katrina was enough. I'd rather not even imagine another one coming...)


I expect quite a few more, especially with climate change accelerating because of his anti-climate bullshit.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:20 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
We've got four years -- at least -- to play Russian roulette with the Atlantic Ocean and we're in the hands of a man who will probably blame the next Category 5 hurricane on Hillary Clinton.


I hope we have 8 great years of President Trump.


I do to, but we haven't even had a passable day with him so anything great will not happen, best to get him the fuck into a assylum and start over

I remmeber when this site had a hatred for Obama, and most of them were proven happily wrong, Trump, trump wont pull an obama, he can barely pull a nixon right
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:21 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cause I voted for him, and will vote for him again.


Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.


That happens to be your personal and political views, not my personal views and political views, I respect your right and others to post your political views, please respect mine back.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:23 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.


That happens to be your personal and political views, not my personal views and political views, I respect your right and others to post your political views, please respect mine back.


Not a chance when yours will literally kill people.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:23 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cause I voted for him, and will vote for him again.


Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.


Necessary human sacrifices to the God Emperor to earn...whatever the fuck it is good that Trump is supposedly doing. He said we'd be doing nothing but winning, but all I see is losing.
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Postby Michael Johnathan » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:23 pm

Astrolinium wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cause I voted for him, and will vote for him again.


Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.


Perhaps in your close circle of friends and family. On the larger scale, I think not.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:24 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.


That happens to be your personal and political views, not my personal views and political views, I respect your right and others to post your political views, please respect mine back.

Wait until another Hurricane Andrew plows through Florida. Then we'll see if you think Trump is still a God-Emperor.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:24 pm

Michael Johnathan wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.


Perhaps in your close circle of friends and family. On the larger scale, I think not.


Until he ignites WW3, that is.
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Postby Seangoli » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:24 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
I mean, W was putting on a slightly clueless air in order to appear folksy. While I disagree with his decisions and think many of them were bad, they weren't moronic and baffling in the way many of Trump's are. I mean, God fucking help the State of Louisiana if you get another Katrina with Donald Trump in office -- Bush's mismanagement will look positively competent in comparison.


I totally agree. Based on his "help" from last year's flooding, he'll probably tell us to rebuild the levees with the playdoh he sent.


Do you want to know what he his first proposed plan for the infrastructure overhaul was?

Tax breaks to construction companies. Not paying them a lower amount than normal, and then giving tax breaks afterwards. Oh no. His form of payment was "Hey, you can pay for all the construction of this road, bridge, or what have you, and then we'll just charge you less this year". All Trillion and a half dollars worth of infrastructure overhaul he proposed.

I shit you not.

I imagine any natural disaster will see the same level of intelligence.

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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:24 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
That happens to be your personal and political views, not my personal views and political views, I respect your right and others to post your political views, please respect mine back.

Wait until another Hurricane Andrew plows through Florida. Then we'll see if you think Trump is still a God-Emperor.


lol, I am having a lol attack, :rofl: I also agree with your right to disagree with me and post it.
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Postby UED » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:25 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.


Necessary human sacrifices to the God Emperor to earn...whatever the fuck it is good that Trump is supposedly doing. He said we'd be doing nothing but winning, but all I see is losing.


Morale within the government, especially the State Department is complete shit right now.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:26 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.


That happens to be your personal and political views, not my personal views and political views, I respect your right and others to post your political views, please respect mine back.


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Postby Michael Johnathan » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:26 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Michael Johnathan wrote:
Perhaps in your close circle of friends and family. On the larger scale, I think not.


Until he ignites WW3, that is.


That will happen regardless of a Trump presidency or not. To blame the possibility of that on one man is, well, ludicrous.

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Postby Astrolinium » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:26 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
Look, I don't know your intentions with this post, but coming immediately after my very sobering realization that he's going to do fuck-all about the next major natural disaster to hit our country gives your statement a really ominous context. People are probably going to die in large numbers, directly because of the level of incompetence we have thus far witnessed from him.


That happens to be your personal and political views, not my personal views and political views, I respect your right and others to post your political views, please respect mine back.


He's planning to slash FEMA's budget, he can't stand the idea of anyone one-upping him in any way, and his staff is practically on a revolving door. "Donald Trump will get people killed in large numbers during the next major hurricane" isn't an opinion.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:27 pm

Michael Johnathan wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Until he ignites WW3, that is.


That will happen regardless of a Trump presidency or not. To blame the possibility of that on one man is, well, ludicrous.


When 1 man can initiate first strike, it's not only possible, with this fucking idiot, not laughable
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:27 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:
That happens to be your personal and political views, not my personal views and political views, I respect your right and others to post your political views, please respect mine back.


This isn't a safe space. You have the right to express your views, and we have the right to criticise them.


Read my posts, I critized your views, and stated I respect your rights to your views.
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Postby Seangoli » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:27 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
I remmeber when this site had a hatred for Obama, and most of them were proven happily wrong, Trump, trump wont pull an obama, he can barely pull a nixon right


Its seems that the only reason Trump may have dodged his own Watergate is out of pure and total incompetence. He can't commit election fraud when he is actively trying to commit election fraud, for fuck's sake.

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Postby UED » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:28 pm

Michael Johnathan wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Until he ignites WW3, that is.


That will happen regardless of a Trump presidency or not. To blame the possibility of that on one man is, well, ludicrous.


If WW3 is inevitable, I don't trust Trump to lead us to victory.
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:28 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Though MREs we were sent sound really good by comparison right now...


Man, I remember the first one I got after Katrina. Was grilled chicken, and it even had grill marks on it. Tasted like heaven.

Vassenor wrote:
Why?


For the edge.

Greater Miami Shores wrote:
Cause I voted for him, and will vote for him again.


And the negative consequences to America and the rest of the world be damned!

Luminesa wrote:AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

(Sorry. One Katrina was enough. I'd rather not even imagine another one coming...)


I expect quite a few more, especially with climate change accelerating because of his anti-climate bullshit.

I admittedly got lucky with Katrina food-wise and don't remember eating MREs after Katrina (then again I was 9, and I honestly don't remember too much from that point in my life, for some reason). We had MREs for the flood last year though. I never got to taste any myself, but my sister and my mom did. Kinda wish I had tried them.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:28 pm

Michael Johnathan wrote:
Grenartia wrote:
Until he ignites WW3, that is.


That will happen regardless of a Trump presidency or not. To blame the possibility of that on one man is, well, ludicrous.


Maybe if we had a certain somebody with actual experience in foriegn relations running the show, she could avoid the showdown much like Kennedy did with the Cuban Missile Crisis.
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Michael Johnathan
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Ex-Nation

Postby Michael Johnathan » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:30 pm

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Michael Johnathan wrote:
That will happen regardless of a Trump presidency or not. To blame the possibility of that on one man is, well, ludicrous.


When 1 man can initiate first strike, it's not only possible, with this fucking idiot, not laughable


Trump isn't insane. Egotistical. Arrogant. Pompous. Etc. But he's not insane. He doesn't want a nuclear holocaust anymore than say Obama did or even Kim Jong Un. All we have seen is posturing. Granted there is a very real danger from doing that, but you're treating it like we elected a mad Targaryen to the WH. Rather he's Robert towards the end. Drinking and fucking.

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New haven america
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby New haven america » Wed Aug 02, 2017 5:30 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Astrolinium wrote:
We've got four years -- at least -- to play Russian roulette with the Atlantic Ocean and we're in the hands of a man who will probably blame the next Category 5 hurricane on Hillary Clinton.

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

(Sorry. One Katrina was enough. I'd rather not even imagine another one coming...)

Katrina was only a C5 for a short time, when it hit Louisiana is was a C3. You can blame New Orleans' and Louisiana's projects around the Mississippi delta failing under Katrina for most of the damage around there.

Also, thanks to Global Climate Change (Which Trump claims to be a Chinese hoax), expect much more powerful storms and longer droughts in the future. (Maybe even a runaway greenhouse effect, I mean, it's already kinda happening...)
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