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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:48 pm

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
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You're incoherently rambling again.


Is this what we call the bitter truth now? "incoherent rambling"? Are we going to call males "stronger feminines" too?


You've already admitted to not knowing what you're posting.

And I don't care if its the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything, nobody can make any sense of it. Its not my fault you can't compose a statement longer than one line without it being incomprehensible.
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Postby Conservative Hellenic State » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:48 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
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Someone has to matter for this subject, I guess to much acceptance hurts your head, watch your joke of a government legalize pedophilia and your joke of a people getting it down their throats liking it or not, you are sitting here in your computer making jokes and all fun while your 'MURICAN empire is shredding to peices along with its puppet empire the 4th Reich or the European "Union" where is basically a peaceful German resource stealing of the rougher 40's version, watch your kids in 8-9 years or whenever you do getting legally raped by a fat transgendered pedophile filth because of your acceptance planted by your government, by the way why did you wake up? shouldn't you be sleeping a gooood spraying sleep? I guess those funny clouds in the sky aren't that funny anymore right?


I would suggest you seek help. You're incoherent and rambling. Barring that, do some journaling and talk to a counselor.


Mmmhm you tell me transgendered non-binary kawaii Chan >.<...

Did I hurt your feelings? Are you going to shove me that Bible nut bs as the 21st smartasses do?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:49 pm

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
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I would suggest you seek help. You're incoherent and rambling. Barring that, do some journaling and talk to a counselor.


Mmmhm you tell me transgendered non-binary kawaii Chan >.<...

Did I hurt your feelings? Are you going to shove me that Bible nut bs as the 21st smartasses do?


Oh my, we have ourselves a live one, people. :rofl:
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Postby Conservative Hellenic State » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:51 pm

Grenartia wrote:
Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Is this what we call the bitter truth now? "incoherent rambling"? Are we going to call males "stronger feminines" too?


You've already admitted to not knowing what you're posting.

And I don't care if its the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything, nobody can make any sense of it. Its not my fault you can't compose a statement longer than one line without it being incomprehensible.


I guess I'm a strong girl ain't that righr gurl? Or whatever you wanna be called, I'm going to call you alien
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Postby Conservative Hellenic State » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:53 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Mmmhm you tell me transgendered non-binary kawaii Chan >.<...

Did I hurt your feelings? Are you going to shove me that Bible nut bs as the 21st smartasses do?


Oh my, we have ourselves a live one people. :rofl:


That little sarcastic "it's all good I didn't get offended" common forum style, gotta love it
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In 21st century, bitter truth is "unfounded rambling".

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:54 pm

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
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Oh my, we have ourselves a live one people. :rofl:


That little sarcastic "it's all good I didn't get offended" common forum style, gotta love it


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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:54 pm

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Oh my, we have ourselves a live one people. :rofl:


That little sarcastic "it's all good I didn't get offended" common forum style, gotta love it


Sorry, what are you trying to prove right now? :eyebrow:
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Postby Stalliongrad and Far-Eastern Territories » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:56 pm

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I would suggest you seek help. You're incoherent and rambling. Barring that, do some journaling and talk to a counselor.


Mmmhm you tell me transgendered non-binary kawaii Chan >.<...

Did I hurt your feelings? Are you going to shove me that Bible nut bs as the 21st smartasses do?


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Postby Conservative Hellenic State » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:56 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
That little sarcastic "it's all good I didn't get offended" common forum style, gotta love it


Sorry, what are you trying to prove right now? :eyebrow:


Where did you popped out of?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:57 pm

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
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Sorry, what are you trying to prove right now? :eyebrow:


Where did you popped out of?


I've been here a lot longer than you have. Just sayin'.
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Postby The Florence union » Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:59 pm

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Sorry, what are you trying to prove right now? :eyebrow:


Where did you popped out of?


That's incorrect grammar. I'm offended.
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Postby Conservative Hellenic State » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:00 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
That little sarcastic "it's all good I didn't get offended" common forum style, gotta love it


Nobody knows
The trouble I've seen...
Nobody knows
But Jeeesussssss...


Yea, that totally opposite of my prospective lunatic that I might try to handle with an obvious anger hiding sarcasm.
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:01 pm

By the way, isn't that some nice Christian love showing up right there? It really makes this person seem like a good Christian right? It would be nice if that poster learned about the topic they are posting about first before rambling on about things that have no connection and make no sense.
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Postby Conservative Hellenic State » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:02 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Where did you popped out of?


I've been here a lot longer than you have. Just sayin'.


That's one hell of a statement, way to go
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Postby Conservative Hellenic State » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:03 pm

The Florence Union wrote:
Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Where did you popped out of?


That's incorrect grammar. I'm offended.


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PALEOCONSERVATIST, Globalism and Internationalization is ruining nations, governments and genders.

Proud Hellenic Orthodox anti-Erdogan ""geopolitist"".

In 21st century, bitter truth is "unfounded rambling".

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:05 pm

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
I've been here a lot longer than you have. Just sayin'.


That's one hell of a statement, way to go


So what point are you trying to make then? Why do you want to know where I came from?
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Postby Neutraligon » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:06 pm

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Computer Lab wrote:Well, most of those topics don't belong in this thread.
Also, I wasn't sarcastic in that post. Why does it matter to you what other people do with their bodies?


Someone has to matter for this subject,
I have no idea what you are trying to say here; someone has to matter? Sure there are discussions that are within the purview of this thread but so far nothing you have posted has been.
I guess to much acceptance hurts your head,
Again, what does this mean? Too much acceptance hurt your head? The only person we have seen hurting our head is you with your incoherent rambling.
watch your joke of a government legalize pedophilia
First what does pedophilia have to do with Trans individuals. Second why do you think we would agree to legalizing pedophilia?
and your joke of a people getting it down their throats liking it or not
Oh so how is us doing what we want with our own bodies getting it down your throat?
you are sitting here in your computer making jokes and all fun while your 'MURICAN empire is shredding to peices along with its puppet empire the 4th Reich or the European "Union" where is basically a peaceful German resource stealing of the rougher 40's version,
What? Seriously, what?
watch your kids in 8-9 years or whenever you do getting legally raped by a fat transgendered pedophile filth because of your acceptance planted by your government,
Why do you think rape will ever be accepted? What does pdeophilia have to do with being trans? You are still rambling incoherently.
by the way why did you wake up? shouldn't you be sleeping a gooood spraying sleep? I guess those funny clouds in the sky aren't that funny anymore right?
Seriously I have no idea what you are saying, like at all. Please get your thoughts together and form an actual coherent comment.
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Postby Conservative Hellenic State » Wed Aug 02, 2017 3:06 pm

Neutraligon wrote:By the way, isn't that some nice Christian love showing up right there? It really makes this person seem like a good Christian right? It would be nice if that poster learned about the topic they are posting about first before rambling on about things that have no connection and make no sense.


Hah, I waited for that post yea, because one small person represents the rest of the christianhood, nice thinking.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:34 am

Conservative Hellenic State wrote:
Computer Lab wrote:Well, most of those topics don't belong in this thread.
Also, I wasn't sarcastic in that post. Why does it matter to you what other people do with their bodies?


Someone has to matter for this subject, I guess to much acceptance hurts your head, watch your joke of a government legalize pedophilia and your joke of a people getting it down their throats liking it or not, you are sitting here in your computer making jokes and all fun while your 'MURICAN empire is shredding to peices along with its puppet empire the 4th Reich or the European "Union" where is basically a peaceful German resource stealing of the rougher 40's version, watch your kids in 8-9 years or whenever you do getting legally raped by a fat transgendered pedophile filth because of your acceptance planted by your government, by the way why did you wake up? shouldn't you be sleeping a gooood spraying sleep? I guess those funny clouds in the sky aren't that funny anymore right?

I wouldn't ordinarily go stright to a ban for someone as new as you, but your sole purpose here seems to be trolling transgender people and people who support them. You can dispute the question of whether supporting the transgendered is positive or negative in a civil manner. That does not seem to be your intent. You just seem to want to say as many nasty things as you can.

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Postby Soyouso » Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:57 am

I think it does nonbinary people more justice to refer to their identity as a gender identity instead of a new gender. The two binary sexes, male and female, do not stop nonbinary people from existing, it actually is the reason why it's possible. I know the word gender has become used the same as identity, but I think saying identity makes more sense, because it is based on the existence of the two biological sexes.

Cisgender is a gender identity, meaning their identity matches with their birth sex. MtF and FtM transgender is when the gender identity is the opposite of what you were born with. Agender is when your identity is neither. Any sort of genderfluid is when the identity switches between __________ states. I am bigender, meaning my identity is both male and female, though I'm technically genderfluid with how mine works. You can apply this to any gender identity that is an actual gender identity. Nonbinary identities are basically just a way for people describe gender dysphoria that doesn't fit into strictly male or strictly female, dysphoria being what causes people to not mentally be what they were born as.

I think we should start explaining it to people this way, I think it would makes more sense to people who've never heard of it.
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Postby The Florence union » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:20 am

What is the common thought across the Transgender or LGBTQUA$BI community about swapping genders or making the change at a young age? For instance there is a seven year old girl in Texas who was a boy and became a girl at around age 6.

Personally, I think such a move is quite drastic and can lead to huge mistakes. If I got my way when I was three, I would be a border collie right now. Or a girl. Young people aren't mature enough to decide what course of action they want to take in their life. Such a well thought out move is only possible given the proper education and growing up. A kid at age 7 doesn't even have a proper grasp of morals, religion, politics and language, let alone gender or expression. Encouraging your kid to chop their balls off at age 6 is as bad (if not worse) then indoctrinating your kid into whatever religion and politic stand point you go by. Such a move could lead to huge regrets later in life when you realize you have a hard on for girls and your no longer into barbie dolls and long hair.

But I digress.

I'm curios on thoughts from actual Trans people on this subject, and that's my bad if someone has already asked this question because it probably already has but I am too lazy to read back and search for it.

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:30 am

The Florence Union wrote:What is the common thought across the Transgender or LGBTQUA$BI community about swapping genders or making the change at a young age? For instance there is a seven year old girl in Texas who was a boy and became a girl at around age 6.

Personally, I think such a move is quite drastic and can lead to huge mistakes. If I got my way when I was three, I would be a border collie right now. Or a girl. Young people aren't mature enough to decide what course of action they want to take in their life. Such a well thought out move is only possible given the proper education and growing up. A kid at age 7 doesn't even have a proper grasp of morals, religion, politics and language, let alone gender or expression. Encouraging your kid to chop their balls off at age 6 is as bad (if not worse) then indoctrinating your kid into whatever religion and politic stand point you go by. Such a move could lead to huge regrets later in life when you realize you have a hard on for girls and your no longer into barbie dolls and long hair.

But I digress.

I'm curios on thoughts from actual Trans people on this subject, and that's my bad if someone has already asked this question because it probably already has but I am too lazy to read back and search for it.

FAKE NEWS article about this kid and trannie bathrooms.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/health/tr ... index.html


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Postby Xaseqomehia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:55 am

The Florence Union wrote:(1)What is the common thought across the Transgender or LGBTQUA$BI community about swapping genders or making the change at a young age? For instance there is a seven year old girl in Texas who was a boy and became a girl at around age 6.

Personally, I think such a move is quite drastic and can lead to huge mistakes. 2)If I got my way when I was three, I would be a border collie right now. Or a girl. 3)Young people aren't mature enough to decide what course of action they want to take in their life. Such a well thought out move is only possible given the proper education and growing up. A kid at age 7 doesn't even have a proper grasp of morals, religion, politics and language, let alone gender or expression. Encouraging your kid to chop their balls off at age 6 is as bad (if not worse) then indoctrinating your kid into whatever religion and politic stand point you go by. 4)Such a move could lead to huge regrets later in life when you realize you have a hard on for girls and your no longer into barbie dolls and long hair.

But I digress.

I'm curios on thoughts from actual Trans people on this subject, and that's my bad if someone has already asked this question because it probably already has but I am too lazy to read back and search for it.

FAKE NEWS article about this kid and trannie bathrooms.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/health/tr ... index.html

Now, I'm only questioning, not verified trans, and make no claims to be an expert on the matter, but, here are a few little notes that might clarify this for you:
1) In a general sense, the general consensus among the LGBTQ community is usually somewhere along the lines of not doing anything irreversible, like your example of castration, until sometime near where most kids start puberty, the puberty of their physical sex usually only being suppressed, so it may continue normally in the event that there's a false flag. So that's the physical side of things. On an emotional and presentational level, however, the child in question is usually accepted within the range of what the parents or guardians feel is safe for their child, which mostly depends on whether the environment they're in has potential for major bullying/ostracisation over the child in question's transition from their assigned gender to the one they actually feel to be.

2) That may be you, though this sort of thing isn't one and the same. Perhaps you as a three year old thought it might be fun to be a border collie, but I don't think you felt repulsed by the idea of being your assigned sex and gender based on your comment, so I understand your confusion.

3) Again, this actually is taken into account. Permenant physical changes are rarely, if ever, on the table for preteens, and teens are rarely given surgical options. The doctors who work with transgendered individuals are medical professionals, after all. They are by no means stupid.

4) This is what one might refer to as a common misconception. In the frankly uncommon cases where this happens, the individuals in question either had parents who overreacted to a child's rambling, notably different from a persistent insistence on something, or to people who took a hypothetical scenario too far. Again, I must stress that these situations are rare, as there is a fairly, sometimes almost excessively, complex system in place in most places that offer medical services for transgendered individuals that, if only for the fact of the pure beaurocratic nightmare it is, makes it so that transgender people are the only ones who will tolerate it to get what they need. I say need because, unlike in the scenario that you present, being transgender usually implies that the person in question no longer has desire to transition, but rather needs to transition to their preferred gender to continue to be able to live a healthy and happy life.

Now, the way I've described it, which I'm sure is a bit excessively complex, may make it sound as if being transgender is a mental disorder. Now this question is rather tricky. It is certainly not a mental disorder, but it doesn't quite fit right with physical disorders either, leaving it in a limbo. The best analogy is trying to fit the cylindrical piece of a child's play set into a square hole, the hole being the body and the piece being the brain. Sure it fits in the hole, but it doesn't quite look or feel right. It's simply that the two pieces don't match well. Transferring(badum tiss) this into real life, it's a matter of a transgender person's mind not fitting right in their body as it is. So, when something doesn't fit right, we fix it. In the case of transgender people, transitioning is more or less what one might refer to as 'the cure'. I use quotations because referring to being transgender as an illness, as implied by cure, is a touchy subject.

Hope I could help shed a bit of convoluted light on the subject. :)
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Postby Philjia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:49 pm

On a miscellaneous positive note, two hundred record labels and artists have agreed to donate 100% of their proceeds from tomorrows Bandcamp sales to the Transgender Law Centre. Bandcamp themselves will be donating 100% of their share of the proceeds from any sale, regardless of the artist, to the TLC.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:32 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Florence Union wrote:What is the common thought across the Transgender or LGBTQUA$BI community about swapping genders or making the change at a young age? For instance there is a seven year old girl in Texas who was a boy and became a girl at around age 6.

Personally, I think such a move is quite drastic and can lead to huge mistakes. If I got my way when I was three, I would be a border collie right now. Or a girl. Young people aren't mature enough to decide what course of action they want to take in their life. Such a well thought out move is only possible given the proper education and growing up. A kid at age 7 doesn't even have a proper grasp of morals, religion, politics and language, let alone gender or expression. Encouraging your kid to chop their balls off at age 6 is as bad (if not worse) then indoctrinating your kid into whatever religion and politic stand point you go by. Such a move could lead to huge regrets later in life when you realize you have a hard on for girls and your no longer into barbie dolls and long hair.

But I digress.

I'm curios on thoughts from actual Trans people on this subject, and that's my bad if someone has already asked this question because it probably already has but I am too lazy to read back and search for it.

FAKE NEWS article about this kid and trannie bathrooms.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/health/tr ... index.html


Most professionals won't even prescribe hormones until the patient is an adult, much less surgery.


Yup. At such a young age, at most, blockers.
NO, NO & NO.
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