If you are a communist, how do you identify yourself?

[Kibbutz Unions]

They have been a distinct group since the 15th century. They have their own language, culture etc.

Bosnian is just a dialect of Serbo-Croat. Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian are all just regional dialects of the same language, they are mutually intelligible, like Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarussian.

Or English and Scots.
So: Scottish People are actually English People?

Nations are just social constructs anyway, it is a group of people who decided that they are defined as Serbians, Bosniaks, English, Scottish bla bla bla. If a group develops a national ethnic identity than they are a "nation". Bosniaks define themselves as different from Serbs ergo this is ethnic nationalism not "religious nationalism".

[Kibbutz Unions]

What? Do you even know what communism is??

Yes I do and it's stupid.

Oh really? Then please define to me the materialist conditions that automation will create and how private property will hold any sort of significance by that time or even any administrative necessity that requires private ownership over the means of production despite the superior planning of a central information center and this is on top of the fact that you must explain to me using Occam's razor why you would even have private property maintained under those conditions despite its' utilitarian inferiority and thus parasitic nature. Also, you must address the irrationality of a chaotic economy and how the world must handle the tendency of the free market to collapse. I would really like to hear your overwhelming understanding of materialist dialectics that is so great that it allows you to disregard it all as "stupid".

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I think he is joking.

Maybe, but the writer wouldn't be the first to attempt a fusion between anarchist/libertarian positions and Trotskyism. For example:

First, [Josef] Weber’s political criticism contained a “libertarian impulse.” That is, although Weber self-identified as a Trotskyist and remained committed to communal models of social organization, wherein “each gave according to his or her means and received according to his or her needs,” he turned also to models of decentralized social life in order to mitigate the practical problems posed by Bolshevism and the revolutionary vanguard. Weber became distrustful of all political parties, including any sort of communist party. Second, Weber argued that a new post-revolutionary society would be a ‘rational‘ society that sustainably managed and extracted resources and eradicated “human parasitism.” …

Over time, the clear link that had existed between [Murray Bookchin’s] Post-Scarcity Anarchism and Josef Weber’s libertarian Trotskyism became clouded in Bookchin’s mind. This was largely a function of the systematic reappraisals Bookchin made of his own thought, as well as his tendency to often relabel his political and theoretical positions.”

[Aaron David Hyams. Fifty Years on the Fringe: Murray Bookchin and the American Revolutionary Tradition, 1921-1971. M.A. thesis. The University of Montana. Missoula, Montana. May, 2011. Pages 56-57.]

[Kibbutz Unions]

I said it was terrible, but I don't think that it is very fair to blame an economic platform for that.

It's one of many. Communism has a track record of mass death. China's Great Leap Forward? If you can blame death on capitalism then we can do the same for communism

Well, I'd advice you not to- if we're taking that road Capitalism caused much more damage.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Bosnian is just a dialect of Serbo-Croat. Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian are all just regional dialects of the same language, they are mutually intelligible, like Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarussian.

Or English and Scots.
So: Scottish People are actually English People?

Nations are just social constructs anyway, it is a group of people who decided that they are defined as Serbians, Bosniaks, English, Scottish bla bla bla. If a group develops a national ethnic identity than they are a "nation". Bosniaks define themselves as different from Serbs ergo this is ethnic nationalism not "religious nationalism".

They identify themselves primarily based on religion, that's what the wars in the Balkans have been about. Their ethnic group is based on their religion, they're all South Slavs, the Serbs are Orthodox South Slavs, the Croats are Catholic South Slavs, and the Bosniaks are Muslim South Slavs.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Anarcho-Democratic-Trotskyist

How do you relate anarchism with Trotskyism?

Combine Conquest of Bread with Permanent Revolution.

[Kibbutz Unions]

How do you relate anarchism with Trotskyism?

Combine Conquest of Bread with Permanent Revolution.

But Marxism and Anarchism have different sociological interpretations, how do you bridge those gaps?

[Thermodolia]

Yes I do and it's stupid.

Oh really? Then please define to me the materialist conditions that automation will create and how private property will hold any sort of significance by that time or even any administrative necessity that requires private ownership over the means of production despite the superior planning of a central information center and this is on top of the fact that you must explain to me using Occam's razor why you would even have private property maintained under those conditions despite its' utilitarian inferiority and thus parasitic nature. Also, you must address the irrationality of a chaotic economy and how the world must handle the tendency of the free market to collapse. I would really like to hear your overwhelming understanding of materialist dialectics that is so great that it allows you to disregard it all as "stupid".

"Superior central planning" yes that's why the USSR was so economical ahead, that the successor states had to be bailed out.
Thanks for the laugh. Private property will always be around I'm not going to give up my house to some state agency. It's the nature of the free market people make dumb decisions you can't protect people from being idiots.

[RARE BASED LAND]

Communism killed more people than Nazism, yet communism is treated as a more socially acceptable ideology because it didn't specifically discriminate against a religious or ethnic demographic.

Ummmmmmmmm.... No.
Did communists ever use gas chambers? Ovens? Death Marches? Did Communists start a World War?
The majority of the people who died were either because of the civil wars between the Red and White forces (Such as in Russia and China) but blaming it entirely on the Reds is intellectually dishonest, others died in the rapid industrialization- but it was exactly that- for some while the allocation of resources failed because they were still in feudal countries, but after that basically nobody died from another famine and the situation became much better, but basically if there would have been a revolution right now outside your window no rapid industrialization would be needed- no deaths from that.
No group was targeted for any of their identities, nor was there any systematic slaughter. Stalin killed off opponents in his purges but this is a trait of dictators so it's pretty stupid to blame it on the ideology of communism.

It is accurate to attribute the deaths of millions of people to communism. If you are inclined to objective analysis, rather than the rejection of new information so that you can cling to the comfort of your ideological self-identification, then here are some resources for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_fa ... E2%80%9333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_kill ... st_regimes
http://victimsofcommunism.org/

[Thermodolia]

It's one of many. Communism has a track record of mass death. China's Great Leap Forward? If you can blame death on capitalism then we can do the same for communism

Well, I'd advice you not to- if we're taking that road Capitalism caused much more damage.

Right because communism is a sweet little angel

[Kibbutz Unions]

Oh really? Then please define to me the materialist conditions that automation will create and how private property will hold any sort of significance by that time or even any administrative necessity that requires private ownership over the means of production despite the superior planning of a central information center and this is on top of the fact that you must explain to me using Occam's razor why you would even have private property maintained under those conditions despite its' utilitarian inferiority and thus parasitic nature. Also, you must address the irrationality of a chaotic economy and how the world must handle the tendency of the free market to collapse. I would really like to hear your overwhelming understanding of materialist dialectics that is so great that it allows you to disregard it all as "stupid".

"Superior central planning" yes that's why the USSR was so economical ahead, that the successor states had to be bailed out.
Thanks for the laugh. Private property will always be around I'm not going to give up my house to some state agency. It's the nature of the free market people make dumb decisions you can't protect people from being idiots.

And.... yep. You didn't understand any of it.
I was talking about the Allende central planning center (As in computerized allocation) an this is on top of the fact that even the USSR had a faster growing economy than any other Western Country so it was still superior even without Information Technology.
Also, I love how you ignored nearly all that I said and even didn't define Private Property right.

And.... Yes, you CAN protect society from idiots with private property screwing society... Implement socialism.

[Kibbutz Unions]

Well, I'd advice you not to- if we're taking that road Capitalism caused much more damage.

Right because communism is a sweet little angel

It's not, but you could say it is the least-bad option perhaps.

[Kibbutz Unions]

Ummmmmmmmm.... No.
Did communists ever use gas chambers? Ovens? Death Marches? Did Communists start a World War?
The majority of the people who died were either because of the civil wars between the Red and White forces (Such as in Russia and China) but blaming it entirely on the Reds is intellectually dishonest, others died in the rapid industrialization- but it was exactly that- for some while the allocation of resources failed because they were still in feudal countries, but after that basically nobody died from another famine and the situation became much better, but basically if there would have been a revolution right now outside your window no rapid industrialization would be needed- no deaths from that.
No group was targeted for any of their identities, nor was there any systematic slaughter. Stalin killed off opponents in his purges but this is a trait of dictators so it's pretty stupid to blame it on the ideology of communism.

It is accurate to attribute the deaths of millions of people to communism. If you are inclined to objective analysis, rather than the rejection of new information so that you can cling to the comfort of your ideological self-identification, then here are some resources for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_fa ... E2%80%9333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_kill ... st_regimes
http://victimsofcommunism.org/

I mentioned those and noted that the majority were due to rapid industrialization.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Combine Conquest of Bread with Permanent Revolution.

But Marxism and Anarchism have different sociological interpretations, how do you bridge those gaps?

Well they both result in communism. To bridge the gap it is important for the people to rise up and claim the means of production and establish a stateless society in which all organization is voluntary and done out of necessity. Because the revolution never ends it is important that the principles of the revolution are maintained and evolve to keep up with the ever advancing societies of the world.
Obviously it's not well developed, but i use it to describe my beliefs which are a combination of Left Social Democracy, Trotskyism, and Anarcho-Communism.

[Kibbutz Unions]

But Marxism and Anarchism have different sociological interpretations, how do you bridge those gaps?

Well they both result in communism. To bridge the gap it is important for the people to rise up and claim the means of production and establish a stateless society in which all organization is voluntary and done out of necessity. Because the revolution never ends it is important that the principles of the revolution are maintained and evolve to keep up with the ever advancing societies of the world.
Obviously it's not well developed, but i use it to describe my beliefs which are a combination of Left Social Democracy, Trotskyism, and Anarcho-Communism.

How will society survive with only voluntary organization on a large scale and how will this sort of revolution be defended? There is a reason why there wasn't a single successful Anarchist revolution so far...

[RARE BASED LAND]

It is accurate to attribute the deaths of millions of people to communism. If you are inclined to objective analysis, rather than the rejection of new information so that you can cling to the comfort of your ideological self-identification, then here are some resources for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulak
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_fa ... E2%80%9333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Zedong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_kill ... st_regimes
http://victimsofcommunism.org/

I mentioned those and noted that the majority were due to rapid industrialization.

Industrialization in the U.S. did not produce genocidal famine that killed millions of people, it produced a surplus of food that allows individuals the freedom and luxury to go to the grocery store and pick what they want from a variety of food. Individuals in the U.S. can afford food at a grocery store as a consequence of economic freedom and voluntary labor, rather than authoritarian state sanctioned labor in a gulag with no guarantee of being fed or provided for.

[Kibbutz Unions]

I mentioned those and noted that the majority were due to rapid industrialization.

Industrialization in the U.S. did not produce genocidal famine that killed millions of people, it produced a surplus of food that allows individuals the freedom and luxury to go to the grocery store and pick what they want from a variety of food. Individuals in the U.S. can afford food at a grocery store as a consequence of economic freedom and voluntary labor, rather than authoritarian state sanctioned labor in a gulag with no guarantee of being fed or provided for.

The US industrialized in a century, the USSR in a decade. This abruptness is what caused the casualties.

[Bhikkustan]

I mentioned those and noted that the majority were due to rapid industrialization.

Industrialization in the U.S. did not produce genocidal famine that killed millions of people, it produced a surplus of food that allows individuals the freedom and luxury to go to the grocery store and pick what they want from a variety of food. Individuals in the U.S. can afford food at a grocery store as a consequence of economic freedom and voluntary labor, rather than authoritarian state sanctioned labor in a gulag with no guarantee of being fed or provided for.

Native americans would disagree

[Vulgar Bulgar]

If red, identify as dead.

[Kibbutz Unions]

If red, identify as dead.

Edgy.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Combine Conquest of Bread with Permanent Revolution.

You mean, then, a permanent revolution for a society with free food, shelter, healthcare, etc.?

[RARE BASED LAND]

Industrialization in the U.S. did not produce genocidal famine that killed millions of people, it produced a surplus of food that allows individuals the freedom and luxury to go to the grocery store and pick what they want from a variety of food. Individuals in the U.S. can afford food at a grocery store as a consequence of economic freedom and voluntary labor, rather than authoritarian state sanctioned labor in a gulag with no guarantee of being fed or provided for.

Native americans would disagree

What happened to the native Americans was not a consequence of economic policy, it was a consequence of colonialism and imperialism. Colonialism and imperialism can be exhibited by any government regardless of it's economic policy.

[Impaled Nazarene]

Well they both result in communism. To bridge the gap it is important for the people to rise up and claim the means of production and establish a stateless society in which all organization is voluntary and done out of necessity. Because the revolution never ends it is important that the principles of the revolution are maintained and evolve to keep up with the ever advancing societies of the world.
Obviously it's not well developed, but i use it to describe my beliefs which are a combination of Left Social Democracy, Trotskyism, and Anarcho-Communism.

How will society survive with only voluntary organization on a large scale and how will this sort of revolution be defended? There is a reason why there wasn't a single successful Anarchist revolution so far...

No socialist/communist revolution has ever been successful. Revolutionaries have seized power but they never accomplished the revolution. Not China, nor Cuba, nor Soviet Union ever established socialism let alone communism. Seizing power is but a small part of the revolution.

[Kibbutz Unions]

How will society survive with only voluntary organization on a large scale and how will this sort of revolution be defended? There is a reason why there wasn't a single successful Anarchist revolution so far...

No socialist/communist revolution has ever been successful. Revolutionaries have seized power but they never accomplished the revolution. Not China, nor Cuba, nor Soviet Union ever established socialism let alone communism. Seizing power is but a small part of the revolution.

What? The USSR, PRC (This one is more controversial though), East Bloc, Yugoslavia were Socialist and Cuba still is.

[Torsiedelle]

If red, identify as dead.

I'm already dead.

You can't kill a person with no body.