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If you are a communist, how do you identify yourself?

Marxism–Leninism–Stalinism
15
19%
Marxism–Leninism–Trotskyism
11
14%
Marxism–Leninism–Lukácsism
0
No votes
Marxism–Leninism–Gramscism
1
1%
Marxism–Leninism–Maoism
10
13%
Marxism–De Leonism
2
3%
Marxism–Leninism–Titoism
6
8%
left communism (including council communism, Luxemburgism, Bordigism, Pankhurstism, and others)
19
25%
autonomist Marxism or open Marxism
3
4%
revolutionary syndicalism
10
13%
 
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Kibbutz Unions
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:52 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:Ummmmmmmmm.... No.
Did communists ever use gas chambers? Ovens? Death Marches? Did Communists start a World War?
The majority of the people who died were either because of the civil wars between the Red and White forces (Such as in Russia and China) but blaming it entirely on the Reds is intellectually dishonest, others died in the rapid industrialization- but it was exactly that- for some while the allocation of resources failed because they were still in feudal countries, but after that basically nobody died from another famine and the situation became much better, but basically if there would have been a revolution right now outside your window no rapid industrialization would be needed- no deaths from that.
No group was targeted for any of their identities, nor was there any systematic slaughter. Stalin killed off opponents in his purges but this is a trait of dictators so it's pretty stupid to blame it on the ideology of communism.

Um the USSR definitely had death marches. The Polish can tell you that much.

Source? (I legitimately want to know)
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Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:53 pm

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How do you relate anarchism with Trotskyism?
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:55 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Impaled Nazarene wrote:Anarcho-Democratic-Trotskyist


How do you relate anarchism with Trotskyism?

I think he is joking.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:56 pm


It's basically a form of nationalism. Ethnic nationalism isn't the only nationalism.
Brotherhood and unity: Actually it is a slogan that basically said that although there are different groups in Yugoslavia they are all united together in spite of the differences

Yes, pan-nationalism.
Rojava: Actually: "Like the KCK umbrella in general, and even more so, the PYD attempts to denounce the ideology of nationalism,[196] including Kurdish nationalism. They stand in stark contrast to Kurdish nationalist visions of the Iraqi Kurdish KDP sponsored Kurdish National Council in Syria.[197]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava#Kurdish_question

They've got this great gig where they're nationalists but also not at the same time. I really admire it tbh
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:57 pm

Kibbutz Unions wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Um the USSR definitely had death marches. The Polish can tell you that much.

Source? (I legitimately want to know)

Katyn Massacre and ethnic cleansing of the Polish
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Postby Bhikkustan » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:00 pm

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:00 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:Socialist patriotism: It is not about an ethnic/nationalist form but being proud in Socialism.

It's basically a form of nationalism. Ethnic nationalism isn't the only nationalism.

Yup there's cultural, civic, and religious nationalism just to name a few
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Postby Neo Balka » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:03 pm

Can i pick death and be done with it?
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
in this day and age it's both.
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:06 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:Source? (I legitimately want to know)

Katyn Massacre and ethnic cleansing of the Polish

That was terrible, but this is not at all comparable with the crimes of Nazism and Fascism (And even just regular 'ol Mercantilism and Capitalism).
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:08 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:Socialist patriotism: It is not about an ethnic/nationalist form but being proud in Socialism.

It's basically a form of nationalism. Ethnic nationalism isn't the only nationalism.
Brotherhood and unity: Actually it is a slogan that basically said that although there are different groups in Yugoslavia they are all united together in spite of the differences

Yes, pan-nationalism.
Rojava: Actually: "Like the KCK umbrella in general, and even more so, the PYD attempts to denounce the ideology of nationalism,[196] including Kurdish nationalism. They stand in stark contrast to Kurdish nationalist visions of the Iraqi Kurdish KDP sponsored Kurdish National Council in Syria.[197]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava#Kurdish_question

They've got this great gig where they're nationalists but also not at the same time. I really admire it tbh

Well, I was talking about the ethnic kind of nationalism, I thought it was obvious.
It wasn't even really pan-slavic nationalism or anything, it included non-Slavic groups such as Jews...
About Rojava, at least officially they're not Kurdish nationalists, though I'm sure a lot of it's members are regardless of official policy.
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:09 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:It's basically a form of nationalism. Ethnic nationalism isn't the only nationalism.

Yup there's cultural, civic, and religious nationalism just to name a few

Religious nationalism? You mean fundamentalism?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:15 pm

Kibbutz Unions wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yup there's cultural, civic, and religious nationalism just to name a few

Religious nationalism? You mean fundamentalism?

Religious nationalism is basically thinking that a religious group should have their own country.
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:16 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:Religious nationalism? You mean fundamentalism?

Religious nationalism is basically thinking that a religious group should have their own country.

So..... Fundamentalism, as state law.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:17 pm

Kibbutz Unions wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Religious nationalism is basically thinking that a religious group should have their own country.

So..... Fundamentalism, as state law.

No. Thinking that a religious group should have a country where they are independent. Like Bosnia for Muslim Serbs.
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:18 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:So..... Fundamentalism, as state law.

No. Thinking that a religious group should have a country where they are independent. Like Bosnia for Muslim Serbs.

Aren't Bosniaks a separate group?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:18 pm

Kibbutz Unions wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No. Thinking that a religious group should have a country where they are independent. Like Bosnia for Muslim Serbs.

Aren't Bosniaks a separate group?

They're literally Serbs who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period.
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:21 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:Aren't Bosniaks a separate group?

They're literally Serbs who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period.

They have been a distinct group since the 15th century. They have their own language, culture etc.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:21 pm

Kibbutz Unions wrote:

That was terrible, but this is not at all comparable with the crimes of Nazism and Fascism (And even just regular 'ol Mercantilism and Capitalism).

Ah the old " but everyone else was worse". Ya no.
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:22 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:Aren't Bosniaks a separate group?

They're literally Serbs who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period.

Also, according to that the Dutch are still German because they were originally part of the Germanic people.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:22 pm

Neo Balka wrote:Can i pick death and be done with it?

Better dead than red and I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:24 pm

Kibbutz Unions wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:They're literally Serbs who converted to Islam during the Ottoman period.

They have been a distinct group since the 15th century. They have their own language, culture etc.

Bosnian is just a dialect of Serbo-Croat. Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian are all just regional dialects of the same language, they are mutually intelligible, like Russian, Ukrainian, and Belarussian.
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:24 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Kibbutz Unions wrote:That was terrible, but this is not at all comparable with the crimes of Nazism and Fascism (And even just regular 'ol Mercantilism and Capitalism).

Ah the old " but everyone else was worse". Ya no.

I said it was terrible, but I don't think that it is very fair to blame an economic platform for that.
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Postby Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:25 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:Can i pick death and be done with it?

Better dead than red and I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees

What? Do you even know what communism is??
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:25 pm

Kibbutz Unions wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Better dead than red and I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees

What? Do you even know what communism is??

Yes I do and it's stupid.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:27 pm

Kibbutz Unions wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ah the old " but everyone else was worse". Ya no.

I said it was terrible, but I don't think that it is very fair to blame an economic platform for that.

It's one of many. Communism has a track record of mass death. China's Great Leap Forward? If you can blame death on capitalism then we can do the same for communism
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