Bakery Hill wrote:Lucakscism and Gramscism aren't real established tendencies to be honest.
Thanks for having a revolutionary syndicalist option but.
Politically, no; but they are established tendencies in academia.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:15 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Lucakscism and Gramscism aren't real established tendencies to be honest.
Thanks for having a revolutionary syndicalist option but.
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by The New Sea Territory » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:16 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:While this technically isn't a Communist General, I need your honest opinion:
Do y'all, as communists, believe that the ideology of Strasserism to also be a communist ideology?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism#Ideology
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:17 pm
Risottia wrote:Bolsheviks are supposed to be internationalists.
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by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:17 pm
by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:19 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:While this technically isn't a Communist General, I need your honest opinion:
Do y'all, as communists, believe that the ideology of Strasserism to also be a communist ideology?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism#Ideology
by The Portland Territory » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:20 pm
The New Sea Territory wrote:The Portland Territory wrote:While this technically isn't a Communist General, I need your honest opinion:
Do y'all, as communists, believe that the ideology of Strasserism to also be a communist ideology?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism#Ideology
No. Certain Strasserists might have authentically believed in socialism as an economic model, but not communism, and most weren't even socialists.
by Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:20 pm
The Portland Territory wrote:While this technically isn't a Communist General, I need your honest opinion:
Do y'all, as communists, believe that the ideology of Strasserism to also be a communist ideology?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism#Ideology
by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:24 pm
Kibbutz Unions wrote:The Portland Territory wrote:While this technically isn't a Communist General, I need your honest opinion:
Do y'all, as communists, believe that the ideology of Strasserism to also be a communist ideology?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism#Ideology
No. Communism is inherently against nationalism and racism (Both Marxists and Anarchists agree).
by Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:24 pm
by Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:25 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Revsyns have never been big on parties. More on big unions. Their stars fell as the MLs rose, but now they've got more opportunies than they have since pre-WW2 on the left imo.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:26 pm
Kibbutz Unions wrote:Stalin never really abandoned the internationalist aspects of communism, he just tried best to play with the cards he had.
Honestly, I may dislike him for his totalitarian tendencies (And cult of personality) but I think he is wrongly criticized in that aspect.
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by Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:27 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Kibbutz Unions wrote:No. Communism is inherently against nationalism and racism (Both Marxists and Anarchists agree).
On the first part no, not really.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/ ... jun/30.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/tito/1948/11/26.htm
On the second part, plenty of communists have been and are racists. This removes accountability and culpability. Better to say should not be racist imo.
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:29 pm
by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:30 pm
Kibbutz Unions wrote:Bakery Hill wrote:On the first part no, not really.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/ ... jun/30.htm
https://www.marxists.org/archive/tito/1948/11/26.htm
On the second part, plenty of communists have been and are racists. This removes accountability and culpability. Better to say should not be racist imo.
They might have been racists but racism isn't a part of communist ideology.
A person who is a communist can have bigoted and racist beliefs personally but it's never a characteristic of the movements, anyway the communist ideologies are inherently internationalist and oppose false consciousnesses.
by Bakery Hill » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:31 pm
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>tfw too smart to not be a Dejist-Ceausescuist
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:31 pm
by Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:32 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Kibbutz Unions wrote:Stalin never really abandoned the internationalist aspects of communism, he just tried best to play with the cards he had.
Honestly, I may dislike him for his totalitarian tendencies (And cult of personality) but I think he is wrongly criticized in that aspect.
Well, Stalin was willing to compromise his principles, IMO.
by RARE BASED LAND » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:34 pm
by United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:34 pm
RARE BASED LAND wrote:Communism killed more people than Nazism, yet communism is treated as a more socially acceptable ideology because it didn't specifically discriminate against a religious or ethnic demographic.
by Thermodolia » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:37 pm
by Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:39 pm
Bakery Hill wrote:Kibbutz Unions wrote:They might have been racists but racism isn't a part of communist ideology.
A person who is a communist can have bigoted and racist beliefs personally but it's never a characteristic of the movements, anyway the communist ideologies are inherently internationalist and oppose false consciousnesses.
Yes but left wing nationalism is real and an integral part of the communist movement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_patriotism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brotherhood_and_unity
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_republicanism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abertzale
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Power_movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista_ideology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava
by Kibbutz Unions » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:44 pm
RARE BASED LAND wrote:Communism killed more people than Nazism, yet communism is treated as a more socially acceptable ideology because it didn't specifically discriminate against a religious or ethnic demographic.
by Thermodolia » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:47 pm
Kibbutz Unions wrote:RARE BASED LAND wrote:Communism killed more people than Nazism, yet communism is treated as a more socially acceptable ideology because it didn't specifically discriminate against a religious or ethnic demographic.
Ummmmmmmmm.... No.
Did communists ever use gas chambers? Ovens? Death Marches? Did Communists start a World War?
The majority of the people who died were either because of the civil wars between the Red and White forces (Such as in Russia and China) but blaming it entirely on the Reds is intellectually dishonest, others died in the rapid industrialization- but it was exactly that- for some while the allocation of resources failed because they were still in feudal countries, but after that basically nobody died from another famine and the situation became much better, but basically if there would have been a revolution right now outside your window no rapid industrialization would be needed- no deaths from that.
No group was targeted for any of their identities, nor was there any systematic slaughter. Stalin killed off opponents in his purges but this is a trait of dictators so it's pretty stupid to blame it on the ideology of communism.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Wed Jul 26, 2017 4:48 pm
Kibbutz Unions wrote:I get what you're saying but it's hard to criticize him for that considering the situation the USSR was in back in the day. It was the only socialist state and on top of that was highly underdeveloped, the revolutions of Germany and Finland failed etc.
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