Senator John Mccain has Brain Cancer.

[Arctica-Aleutia]

Damn. He's a fighter, but... cancer's a tough one. We'll see what happens.

I saw this old story about him on Facebook. If we had more like him, maybe our government would be in a bit better shape.

Wow. And you're right, things might have been better.

2016 was the first election season I followed much. I wanted Ben Carson to win, if only because it would set a precedent that you didn't have to shout and defame everyone to win the Oval Office. That's why I look up to Jimmy Carter. People generally see him as an ineffective president, but what was important about him was that he acted based on his conscience, not on what would gain him votes. He was a real person, not a politician. Maybe I can meet him someday, I don't think he lives very far from me.

[AiliailiA]

To be fair he's had a good innings, he's nearly 81 with 7 kids, the genes will go on.. though not the greatest way to go I imagine.

81 isn't much over life expectancy for someone born now, but of course he was born in the 1930's ... when life expectancy for a white male was only 61

then malnutrition as a prisoner of war should have taken a few years off, one cause or another, so you could say he's 25 or 30 years past his use-by

so yeah, pretty good run

and the health insurance members of Congress have (for life) will give him the best treatment money can buy, maybe we shouldn't be TOO sorry for him

[Arctica-Aleutia]

To be fair he's had a good innings, he's nearly 81 with 7 kids, the genes will go on.. though not the greatest way to go I imagine.

81 isn't much over life expectancy for someone born now, but of course he was born in the 1930's ... when life expectancy for a white male was only 61

then malnutrition as a prisoner of war should have taken a few years off, one cause or another, so you could say he's 25 or 30 years past his use-by

so yeah, pretty good run

and the health insurance members of Congress have (for life) will give him the best treatment money can buy, maybe we shouldn't be TOO sorry for him

Just because he's going to get good treatment for a lower price doesn't mean he deserves any less sympathy for his condition.

[MERIZoC]

81 isn't much over life expectancy for someone born now, but of course he was born in the 1930's ... when life expectancy for a white male was only 61

That's....not how it works. Life expectancy numbers arent projections for how long someone born at that time will live, because obviously there will be medical advances in years to come.

[AiliailiA]

Damn. He's a fighter, but... cancer's a tough one. We'll see what happens.

I saw this old story about him on Facebook. If we had more like him, maybe our government would be in a bit better shape.

Wow. And you're right, things might have been better.

2016 was the first election season I followed much. I wanted Ben Carson to win, if only because it would set a precedent that you didn't have to shout and defame everyone to win the Oval Office. That's why I look up to Jimmy Carter. People generally see him as an ineffective president, but what was important about him was that he acted based on his conscience, not on what would gain him votes. He was a real person, not a politician. Maybe I can meet him someday, I don't think he lives very far from me.

Yeah, I like Carter too. What might have seemed like ineffectual bleating about human rights actually put a lot of pressure on the Soviet Union, reflected in the easing of press and political restrictions under Gorbachev, and it's not too much I think to give Carter equal credit to Reagan for the US part in the abdication of Soviet Communism. Good cop, bad cop, if you don't mind. Though the fall of the Soviets was ultimately more their own doing than that of any US government.

Carter would have been a much greater President if his own party hadn't blocked so much of his agenda, particularly his desire to achieve energy independence through renewables and nuclear generation. Damn the hippies.

Not so much for Ben Carson though. The civility is good, but he seems widely ignorant of anything outside his medical specialty and doesn't even have the public administration background to appoint good advisors. Not the worst of the Republican field, but not good either. EDIT: The civility is kind of suspect too, if it means he doesn't have the guts to disavow Trump for being grossly uncivil ... it remains to be seen if he has the guts to be a good Health Secretary but his known views against Medicaid suggest he'll actually be terrible and support efforts of Republicans in Congress to make budget cuts targetting the poor, the elderly and the disabled. I mean fuck, if he's bad as administrator of Health which he should know something about, just how bad would he have been as administrator of everything?

[Arctica-Aleutia]

Wow. And you're right, things might have been better.

2016 was the first election season I followed much. I wanted Ben Carson to win, if only because it would set a precedent that you didn't have to shout and defame everyone to win the Oval Office. That's why I look up to Jimmy Carter. People generally see him as an ineffective president, but what was important about him was that he acted based on his conscience, not on what would gain him votes. He was a real person, not a politician. Maybe I can meet him someday, I don't think he lives very far from me.

Yeah, I like Carter too. What might have seemed like ineffectual bleating about human rights actually put a lot of pressure on the Soviet Union, reflected in the easing of press and political restrictions under Gorbachev, and it's not too much I think to give Carter equal credit to Reagan for the US part in the abdication of Soviet Communism. Good cop, bad cop, if you don't mind. Though the fall of the Soviets was ultimately more their own doing than that of any US government.

Carter would have been a much greater President if his own party hadn't blocked so much of his agenda, particularly his desire to achieve energy independence through renewables and nuclear generation. Damn the hippies.

Not so much for Ben Carson though. The civility is good, but he seems widely ignorant of anything outside his medical specialty and doesn't even have the public administration background to appoint good advisors. Not the worst of the Republican field, but not good either.

Another thing that bugs me is Carter did the work getting the hostages out of Iran, trying up until the minute he had to leave office basically, but Reagan got the credit. An hour into Reagan's administration they were released, because Iran didn't want Carter to be seen as the man who got them out. They hated him that much. It's sad. And though the hostage crisis was Carter's fault in a way, it happened because he gave medical care to Iran's ex-leader that he couldn't get outside of America, out of sympathy.

Carter then went to visit the hostages, and there were tears of joy when they met them.

And I admittedly never did much research about Carson. I guess I just became tired of nasty politics the moment I was introduced to them.

But all this is a topic for another thread and another time, I guess...

[AiliailiA]

And I admittedly never did much research about Carson. I guess I just became tired of nasty politics the moment I was introduced to them.

If 2015/2016 was when you first started taking an interest in politics, take some solace in my assurance that it wasn't always that bad. The US might recover, as it has before, from partisan division which forgets any common interest and sinks to pure ratfuckery.

[USS Monitor]

Damn. He's a fighter, but... cancer's a tough one. We'll see what happens.

I saw this old story about him on Facebook. If we had more like him, maybe our government would be in a bit better shape.

Wow. And you're right, things might have been better.

2016 was the first election season I followed much. I wanted Ben Carson to win, if only because it would set a precedent that you didn't have to shout and defame everyone to win the Oval Office. That's why I look up to Jimmy Carter. People generally see him as an ineffective president, but what was important about him was that he acted based on his conscience, not on what would gain him votes. He was a real person, not a politician. Maybe I can meet him someday, I don't think he lives very far from me.

2016 was a terrible election. They aren't usually so divisive, stressful, and all around nasty.

2008 was a lot better. McCain was better than any of the Republicans who were serious contenders this time around. His speech-writers and campaign advisers were completely incompetent and Sarah Palin was a moronic choice for VP, but when McCain would just be real instead of running through the scripted crap the party told him to say, he came across as a decent dude. He sometimes sounded like he was out of touch and stuck in the Cold War, which was annoying, but he wasn't bad enough to be scary the way Trump and Cruz are.

On the Dems' side, Obama/Biden was just a good ticket.

[Vivida Vis Animi]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/ ... 2822558720

I miss Obama and it hasn't even been a full year yet..

[Arctica-Aleutia]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/887836712822558720

I miss Obama and it hasn't even been a full year yet..

Trust me, I've never been an Obama fan, but it makes me feel a bit better about the world to see him tweet this. Things like this make it all seem less hostile.

[Vivida Vis Animi]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/887836712822558720

I miss Obama and it hasn't even been a full year yet..

Trust me, I've never been an Obama fan, but it makes me feel a bit better about the world to see him tweet this. Things like this make it all seem less hostile.

I think few people are like him in Washington, regardless of party or rank.

[Arctica-Aleutia]

Trust me, I've never been an Obama fan, but it makes me feel a bit better about the world to see him tweet this. Things like this make it all seem less hostile.

I think few people are like him in Washington, regardless of party or rank.

McCain or Obama?

[Vivida Vis Animi]

I think few people are like him in Washington, regardless of party or rank.

McCain or Obama?

Both

[Arctica-Aleutia]

I think the conversation on this thread has given me a lot more hope for people in general. If only politics could always be this civil...

[Greater Miami Shores]

I volunteered at one of John McCain's campaign offices for President near my house. I passed out campaign buttons and signs. Crazy Cuban Alberto.

[USS Monitor]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/887836712822558720

I miss Obama and it hasn't even been a full year yet..

Trust me, I've never been an Obama fan, but it makes me feel a bit better about the world to see him tweet this. Things like this make it all seem less hostile.

Obama and McCain are the type of people that can get past their political differences enough to respect each other and have some class. This is why 2008 was better than 2016.

[Arctica-Aleutia]

I volunteered at one of John McCain's campaign offices for President near my house. I passed out campaign buttons and signs. Crazy Cuban Alberto.

Crazy Cuban Alberto? Huh?

[Greater Miami Shores]

I volunteered at one of John McCain's campaign offices for President near my house. I passed out campaign buttons and signs. Crazy Cuban Alberto.

Crazy Cuban Alberto? Huh?

I am a native Cuban and American citizen. Crazy Cuban is my Avatar name on Discord, My name is Alberto. I can be NS Friends with any one on Discord and NS no matter their politics, if you have access to Discord send me a friend request I will accept it. Crazy Cuban Alberto.

[Luminesa]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/887836712822558720

I miss Obama and it hasn't even been a full year yet..

Actually proud of Obama for this Tweet. Never liked his policies, but we're all human aren't we? Good job, Obama.

[Arctica-Aleutia]

Crazy Cuban Alberto? Huh?

I am a native Cuban and American citizen. Crazy Cuban is my Avatar name on Discord, My name is Alberto. I can be NS Friends with any one on Discord and NS no matter their politics, if you have access to Discord send me a friend request I will accept it. Crazy Cuban Alberto.

Ah, I see. I guess I figured it was a satirical nickname for some politician. I don't have Discord, though, but thanks.

[Colorado-Kansas]

Thankfully brain cancer grows very slowly and is very treatable!

[Socialista Libertario]

To be fair he's had a good innings, he's nearly 81 with 7 kids, the genes will go on.. though not the greatest way to go I imagine.

81 isn't much over life expectancy for someone born now, but of course he was born in the 1930's ... when life expectancy for a white male was only 61

then malnutrition as a prisoner of war should have taken a few years off, one cause or another, so you could say he's 25 or 30 years past his use-by

so yeah, pretty good run

and the health insurance members of Congress have (for life) will give him the best treatment money can buy, maybe we shouldn't be TOO sorry for him

You know his mom is still alive at 105?

[Greater Miami Shores]

81 isn't much over life expectancy for someone born now, but of course he was born in the 1930's ... when life expectancy for a white male was only 61

then malnutrition as a prisoner of war should have taken a few years off, one cause or another, so you could say he's 25 or 30 years past his use-by

so yeah, pretty good run

and the health insurance members of Congress have (for life) will give him the best treatment money can buy, maybe we shouldn't be TOO sorry for him

You know his mom is still alive at 105?

wow, that is awesome.

[Arctica-Aleutia]

81 isn't much over life expectancy for someone born now, but of course he was born in the 1930's ... when life expectancy for a white male was only 61

then malnutrition as a prisoner of war should have taken a few years off, one cause or another, so you could say he's 25 or 30 years past his use-by

so yeah, pretty good run

and the health insurance members of Congress have (for life) will give him the best treatment money can buy, maybe we shouldn't be TOO sorry for him

You know his mom is still alive at 105?

Wow, that's quite an achievement.

On an unrelated note, the last living person born in the 1800s died earlier this year.

[Zanera]

I hope he ends up with a ton of dead, irrelevant cancer cells. Or they can give up now and curtly excuse themselves from his body.