Curious Observations | Funkadelia sold Lazarus to... Adytus?

[Drasnia]

Come on, accusations of things being a Unibot conspiracy was so 2016,and 2015, and 2014, and... Oh wait...

Truly, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Nakari]

You know what else is treachery? The banning of a True Native. Griffin Somerset. Though, I guess it was fine to throw that event under the rug for some bizarre reason.

I'm sure that would be a very exciting piece of journalism. "Breaking news - native banned years ago!"

[The Church of Satan]

You know what else is treachery? The banning of a True Native. Griffin Somerset. Though, I guess it was fine to throw that event under the rug for some bizarre reason.

That was before my time so it was never my concern.

[Trackeendy]

You know what else is treachery? The banning of a True Native. Griffin Somerset. Though, I guess it was fine to throw that event under the rug for some bizarre reason.

That always did irk me. I was one of the few who seemed to be against that at the time.

[Ikania]

It's not at all about ideology. There is a clear plot to subvert Lazarene sovereignty on behalf of a group of raiders- regardless of our region's alignment as defender, or as independent, the attempted puppeting of our region for any ideology is simply unacceptable.

It's entirely ironic and hypocritical that you, NES, supposed champion of regional sovereignty, are perfectly willing to throw it out the window when it is your side that is subverting and undermining the sovereignty and democracy of a GCR. I can speak for all of the concerned citizens of Lazarus that none of us are in this to keep Lazarus defender- it's entirely irrelevant.

And it's absolutely pitiful that when all the gaslighting arguments of supposed conspiracy are disproven, you resort to being bitter about losing a conflict for Imperialist control of Lazarus to Defenders years ago, a time where many of us weren't even in Lazarus, much less in this game.

Furthermore, it's laughable that you and many others are so quick to point to Unibot. Every single time there's a ruckus, it's always him who's behind it. When's the last time that's been proven true?

This is not about moralism. This is not about ideology. This is about our region, and our desire to keep it in the hands of natives as opposed to ruled with an iron fist by people who subvert, undermine and manipulate our democracy to cement their power.

[Pergamon]

-Snip the Impwall-

Defenders. Boring. The OP actually put sooooo much effort into bringing up an entirely different conflict. Didn't you see it? Natives versus game-players with spherical affiliations? Sounds familiar? hmmmm...

I thought you were smart enough to figure it out, NES.

Some things just don't want to stay dead, you see. It quite entertains me that all goes down on the evil defenders - as to be expected from you, soo focused on TGW. Did you realize that the FRA and UDL are long gone?

Have your R/D clash with the Defenders in here, keeps the thread going and myself entertained, if I would bother to read through your justifications on how evil the new wave Defenders are.. Alternatively, as the OP subtly suggests you could start to hate the Userite, I would appreciate that. Much. Oh wait.. I forgot about something regarding..you.. something about you, something really, really important... I really forgot.

As the remaining surviving unrepentant NLOer I've been waiting for this.

YOU clearly missed the past two years, didn't you?

Lone Wolves United helped fight the NLO coup of Lazarus perpetrated by the NPO. That wasn't the first time LWU fought a coup either, nor was it the first time the NPO perpetrated or supported one. To argue that the New Pacific Order is the party that "has an actual regard for GCR sovereignty" is absurd. The NPO does not now nor has it ever had any regard for any other Feeder's or Sinker's sovereignty.

I don't see where GCR sovereignty contradicts with the purge of the userite? The Userites have nothing to do with GCR sovereignty.

It's also interesting that your data quite clearly indicates another possible source of vote stacking, which is the de facto alliance between the NPO, the Grey Wardens, and TSP. Why should we believe that raiders and other non-defenders on your list have come to Lazarus with a nefarious agenda but defenders or defender-leaners on your list like Escade, Seraph, et al. haven't? And yet you don't focus on them. You don't imply any conspiracy theory on their part, despite the months of close military association between the NPO, the Wardens, and TSP. To act as though you are just interpreting data is misleading. You are interpreting data with a great deal of bias against some and in favor of others.

This is incorrect. The Pacific has no alliance with the Grey Wardens. However, the Pacific and TGW share common enemies, such as Fascists which have been invaded and also actions against Invaders that actually thought that their verbal outrages won't have consequences ever.

The bias couldn't be more clear, and any suggestion that this has nothing to do with alignment is disingenuous. Alignment is all anyone is talking about.

Correct and incorrect at the same time. This is not about R/D Alignment. This is about your alignment to a GCR or a sphere of game-play that by collective efforts tries to subordinate one of the greatest regions in the game to their bidding.

[United Federated States of Omega]

I know it's always easy to paint this as a raider vs. defender matchup but really? Come on? As many of you know by not knowing me I have done my best to stay out of R/D, yet here I am, firecly opposing what Funk and Lamb have been doing. To me this has never been about alignment, this is about whether the leadership of Lazarus respects the laws of the region. This is not about Raiding or Defending, this about whether Lazarus is a region ruled by law, or a region ruled by intimation and mob rule.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Defenders who fought the NLO coup are largely not the ones lending support to this conspiracy theory in this thread, along with their former NPO allies. Glen-Rhodes never does any actual defending, I don't recall Unibot being at all involved, and I can't remember if Altmoras was even playing NationStates at the time but, if so, I don't remember seeing him at all involved in the liberation of Lazarus.

Of course I didn't participate in the literal liberation of Lazarus. I was WA locked in TSP as a member of the Committee on State Security. Unibot was definitely involved in diplomatic efforts. No, he didn't participate in the literal liberation either. He was WA locked as Delegate of TRR. Do your homework.

I can't speak to the experience the Rejected Realms has had with these "reforms" -- though much of TRR's citizenship process (e.g., their independent citizenship council) has been in place for a long time and can't really be considered reform -- but these "reforms" have just increased paranoia and politically motivated security decisions by supposedly independent institutions in the South Pacific. I don't recommend that Lazarus or any other Feeder or Sinker enact the reforms Unibot proposes unless it wants a community like TSP's, which is toxic, paranoid, and vulnerable to political manipulation by hyperpolitical elites in supposedly independent institutions.

I'll say two things here. 1. You seem to find a lot of regions toxic and paranoid. 2. TSP hasn't had a fight since you left. Hm...

[Shizensky]

"As an online discussion about GCRs grows longer, the probability of a comparison of any defender to Unibot approaches 1."

The first Unibotian law is an absolute marvel to behold, is it not?

Watch now, as Unibotian law is used to derail the discussion using stale, baseless, and years-old arguments while simultaneously being bold enough to accuse the opposition as the ones being dogmatic.

[Cormactopia Prime]

-Snip the Impwall-

Defenders. Boring. The OP actually put sooooo much effort into bringing up an entirely different conflict. Didn't you see it? Natives versus game-players with spherical affiliations? Sounds familiar? hmmmm...

I thought you were smart enough to figure it out, NES.

Some things just don't want to stay dead, you see. It quite entertains me that all goes down on the evil defenders - as to be expected from you, soo focused on TGW. Did you realize that the FRA and UDL are long gone?

Have your R/D clash with the Defenders in here, keeps the thread going and myself entertained, if I would bother to read through your justifications on how evil the new wave Defenders are.. Alternatively, as the OP subtly suggests you could start to hate the Userite, I would appreciate that. Much. Oh wait.. I forgot about something regarding..you.. something about you, something really, really important... I really forgot.

I wonder at what point it becomes unacceptable for high profile members of the NPO to tacitly agree with a conspiracy theory directed at the leadership of Osiris -- the Pharaoh, the Crown Prince, and the Chief Vizier, among others -- and to insult and propagandize against the Crown Prince of Balder? In case you've forgotten, Pergamon, Balder and Osiris are supposed to be the NPO's allies. You're not supposed to throw them under the bus like this in favor of the Grey Wardens and other defenders with whom the NPO isn't in any kind of alliance.

Lone Wolves United helped fight the NLO coup of Lazarus perpetrated by the NPO. That wasn't the first time LWU fought a coup either, nor was it the first time the NPO perpetrated or supported one. To argue that the New Pacific Order is the party that "has an actual regard for GCR sovereignty" is absurd. The NPO does not now nor has it ever had any regard for any other Feeder's or Sinker's sovereignty.

I don't see where GCR sovereignty contradicts with the purge of the userite? The Userites have nothing to do with GCR sovereignty.

Oh, I see. So it is your contention now that the Crown Prince of Balder was a userite, and despite the NPO's numerous apologies, it is now your contention as Consul of the NPO that the NLO coup was justified and that you were purging userites? That's interesting. It's interesting because you're essentially validating what many have been saying all along, that the NPO's apologies were hollow and meant nothing, and that the NPO has not changed one bit. Thank you for proving the NPO's detractors correct. I hope everyone is paying attention.

If Aleisyr were smart, he would purge you and all of your loyalists while that still has a chance of preventing what is to come. The only userite in this conversation is you, Pergamon, as you are the one willing to sell out the NPO and betray its allies for the userite Grey Wardens.

[Canton Empire]

Defenders. Boring. The OP actually put sooooo much effort into bringing up an entirely different conflict. Didn't you see it? Natives versus game-players with spherical affiliations? Sounds familiar? hmmmm...

I thought you were smart enough to figure it out, NES.

Some things just don't want to stay dead, you see. It quite entertains me that all goes down on the evil defenders - as to be expected from you, soo focused on TGW. Did you realize that the FRA and UDL are long gone?

Have your R/D clash with the Defenders in here, keeps the thread going and myself entertained, if I would bother to read through your justifications on how evil the new wave Defenders are.. Alternatively, as the OP subtly suggests you could start to hate the Userite, I would appreciate that. Much. Oh wait.. I forgot about something regarding..you.. something about you, something really, really important... I really forgot.

I wonder at what point it becomes unacceptable for high profile members of the NPO to tacitly agree with a conspiracy theory directed at the leadership of Osiris -- the Pharaoh, the Crown Prince, and the Chief Vizier, among others -- and to insult and propagandize against the Crown Prince of Balder? In case you've forgotten, Pergamon, Balder and Osiris are supposed to be the NPO's allies. You're not supposed to throw them under the bus like this in favor of the Grey Wardens and other defenders with whom the NPO isn't in any kind of alliance.

I don't see where GCR sovereignty contradicts with the purge of the userite? The Userites have nothing to do with GCR sovereignty.

Oh, I see. So it is your contention now that the Crown Prince of Balder was a userite, and despite the NPO's numerous apologies, it is now your contention as Consul of the NPO that the NLO coup was justified and that you were purging userites? That's interesting. It's interesting because you're essentially validating what many have been saying all along, that the NPO's apologies were hollow and meant nothing, and that the NPO has not changed one bit. Thank you for proving the NPO's detractors correct. I hope everyone is paying attention.

If Aleisyr were smart, he would purge you and all of your loyalists while that still has a chance of preventing what is to come. The only userite in this conversation is you, Pergamon, as you are the one willing to sell out the NPO and betray its allies for the userite Grey Wardens.

What?

That's the biggest flaming turd I've seen posted here. Why the hell would Perg sell out the NPO?

[Cormactopia Prime]

What?

That's the biggest flaming turd I've seen posted here. Why the hell would Perg sell out the NPO?

He is siding with defenders who are not the NPO's allies, defending their conspiracy theory against the NPO's actual allies, and with a few keystrokes undoing the months of work Pierconium put into rehabilitating the NPO's reputation and alliances. What else would you call it?

If Pierconium were still the Emperor, Pergamon would be the newest resident of the Rejected Realms by now for this insolence and betrayal of the NPO and its allies in favor of userite defenders. It's unfortunate that Pierconium is no longer Emperor, but hopefully Aleisyr will act.

If he does not, Pacifica's allies through the GCR Sovereignty Accords should take note of who the NPO truly regards as its allies, and who it does not.

[Ikania]

What?

That's the biggest flaming turd I've seen posted here. Why the hell would Perg sell out the NPO?

He is siding with defenders who are not the NPO's allies, defending their conspiracy theory against the NPO's actual allies, and with a few keystrokes undoing the months of work Pierconium put into rehabilitating the NPO's reputation and alliances. What else would you call it?

If Pierconium were still the Emperor, Pergamon would be the newest resident of the Rejected Realms by now for this insolence and betrayal of the NPO and its allies in favor of userite defenders. It's unfortunate that Pierconium is no longer Emperor, but hopefully Aleisyr will act.

I would argue that Pergamon is upholding the NPO's strong stance in favor of regional sovereignty. We're beyond the point where you can keep credibly calling this a 'conspiracy theory', and it's admirable to see a representative of the Pacific upholding one of Francoism's core tenets and refusing to support hypocrisy on the part of allies who supposedly value sovereignty, even though some of their members are either engaged in, or vocally supporting, the undermining of Lazarene democracy and sovereignty.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I would argue that Pergamon is upholding the NPO's strong stance in favor of regional sovereignty. We're beyond the point where you can keep credibly calling this a 'conspiracy theory', and it's admirable to see a representative of the Pacific upholding one of Francoism's core tenets and refusing to support hypocrisy on the part of allies who supposedly value sovereignty, even though some of their members are either engaged in, or vocally supporting, the undermining of Lazarene democracy and sovereignty.

The NPO is agreeing with and advancing a conspiracy theory in which the Rahl family -- which includes the Delegates of allied regions Osiris and the West Pacific -- is portrayed as a monolithic bloc that works toward shadowy political goals to subvert other Feeders and Sinkers. The NPO is also now attacking the Crown Prince of Balder as a userite, and is defending the NLO coup of Lazarus and their prior purges in Lazarus on the grounds that they were justified in purging userites, including, again, the Crown Prince of Balder. The NPO has thrown all three of its GCR Sovereignty Accords allies under the bus.

Meanwhile, even the conspiracy theorist has nowhere suggested that NES or Balder are at all involved in this situation, which means Pergamon's attack against him had absolutely nothing to do with anything. Except that NES had criticized the Grey Wardens, whom the NPO clearly values more than its GCR Sovereignty Accords allies. You can't value your allies and propagandize against them for their enemies. It's clear who the NPO regards as its real allies and who it couldn't care less about. I hope the other GCR Sovereignty Accords signatories are receiving their message loud and clear.

[Canton Empire]

I would argue that Pergamon is upholding the NPO's strong stance in favor of regional sovereignty. We're beyond the point where you can keep credibly calling this a 'conspiracy theory', and it's admirable to see a representative of the Pacific upholding one of Francoism's core tenets and refusing to support hypocrisy on the part of allies who supposedly value sovereignty, even though some of their members are either engaged in, or vocally supporting, the undermining of Lazarene democracy and sovereignty.

The NPO is agreeing with and advancing a conspiracy theory in which the Rahl family -- which includes the Delegates of allied regions Osiris and the West Pacific -- is portrayed as a monolithic bloc that works toward shadowy political goals to subvert other Feeders and Sinkers. The NPO is also now attacking the Crown Prince of Balder as a userite, and is defending the NLO coup of Lazarus and their prior purges in Lazarus on the grounds that they were justified in purging userites, including, again, the Crown Prince of Balder. The NPO has thrown all three of its GCR Sovereignty Accords allies under the bus.

Meanwhile, even the conspiracy theorist has nowhere suggested that NES or Balder are at all involved in this situation, which means Pergamon's attack against him had absolutely nothing to do with anything. Except that NES had criticized the Grey Wardens, whom the NPO clearly values more than its GCR Sovereignty Accords allies. You can't value your allies and propagandize against them for their enemies. It's clear who the NPO regards as its real allies and who it couldn't care less about. I hope the other GCR Sovereignty Accords signatories are receiving their message loud and clear.

So what's your role in this other than Armchair fenda/raider/whatever alignment you are now?

[Cormactopia Prime]

So what's your role in this other than Armchair fenda/raider/whatever alignment you are now?

I have no role nor stake in any of this, though the NPO's participation in propaganda attacks against Osiris and the West Pacific does concern me. I'm commenting simply as a gameplayer who doesn't buy the anonymous OP's propaganda, and who doesn't appreciate the NPO's and defenders' hypocrisy.

[The Church of Satan]

When did this become about the NPO, TWP and Osiris? Lazarus is the region whose values and sovereignty are being undermined.

[Cormactopia Prime]

When did this become about the NPO, TWP and Osiris? Lazarus is the region whose values and sovereignty are being undermined.

Let's not pretend this hasn't always been somewhat about TWP and Osiris. It's not possible to throw around the Rahl conspiracy theory in regard to this situation without implying that TWP and Osiris are undermining Lazarus' sovereignty.

Besides, nothing is being undermined in Lazarus. There are a few people salty they've lost, or nearly lost, their offices, and that's all that is happening.

[Pergamon]

I wonder at what point it becomes unacceptable for high profile members of the NPO to tacitly agree with a conspiracy theory directed at the leadership of Osiris -- the Pharaoh, the Crown Prince, and the Chief Vizier, among others -- and to insult and propagandize against the Crown Prince of Balder? In case you've forgotten, Pergamon, Balder and Osiris are supposed to be the NPO's allies. You're not supposed to throw them under the bus like this in favor of the Grey Wardens and other defenders with whom the NPO isn't in any kind of alliance.

I don't see where I would have insulted the Crown Prince of Balder. I was however pointing out that this isn't about R/D, only that reasonable hatred towards a faction shouldn't left one blinded for the actual happenings. This is what a good friend is obliged to do. You are orchestrating a strange thing, Cormac. I don't see TGW pumping Lazarus full of an army of supporters, I see however, LWU and peers doing that.

Oh, I see. So it is your contention now that the Crown Prince of Balder was a userite, and despite the NPO's numerous apologies, it is now your contention as Consul of the NPO that the NLO coup was justified and that you were purging userites? That's interesting. It's interesting because you're essentially validating what many have been saying all along, that the NPO's apologies were hollow and meant nothing, and that the NPO has not changed one bit. Thank you for proving the NPO's detractors correct. I hope everyone is paying attention.

I cannot see where I have been stating such things. Your interpretations seem not to be bound on facts or what actually has been written, but on poor assumptions to follow your new agenda which, as it seems clearly aims to stir chaos and unrest among GCR. For everyone to see, you are clearly attempting to abuse the situation.

If Aleisyr were smart, he would purge you and all of your loyalists while that still has a chance of preventing what is to come. The only userite in this conversation is you, Pergamon, as you are the one willing to sell out the NPO and betray its allies for the userite Grey Wardens.

You see that the Grey Wardens are of none concern of me and the NPO and never have been. They are not our allies. Furthermore the NPO under my regency has not and will never bend to any other faction, the main point some nations in this game are especially agitated. Pacifica broke its chains, the eternal Empire is reawakening and clearly in any prospect: politically, militarily and culturally, found back to its very roots and even re-invented them.

According to your great suggestion, it would be smart if Aleisyr dismantles the NPO altogether. I can see why you would want this.

[Ikania]

When did this become about the NPO, TWP and Osiris? Lazarus is the region whose values and sovereignty are being undermined.

Let's not pretend this hasn't always been somewhat about TWP and Osiris.

It hasn't.

It's not possible to throw around the Rahl conspiracy theory in regard to this situation without implying that TWP and Osiris are undermining Lazarus' sovereignty.

I don't think it's the prevailing opinion among most Lazarenes that it's the Rahls behind this all.

Besides, nothing is being undermined in Lazarus. There are a few people salty they've lost, or nearly lost, their offices, and that's all that is happening.

Do you have anything to say in response to the clear visibility of apparent voter importation? Or are you really going to claim that it's all one big coincidence?

[Moric Benyovszky]

You see that the Grey Wardens are of none concern of me and the NPO and never have been. They are not our allies.

Actions speak louder than words, Pergamon.

[Tim-Opolis]

He is siding with defenders who are not the NPO's allies

One does not have to be the NPO's ally to believe in principles of GCR sovereignty against ever-present imperialist userite influence. All this just screams of Raider and Raider-Lite Salt.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I wonder at what point it becomes unacceptable for high profile members of the NPO to tacitly agree with a conspiracy theory directed at the leadership of Osiris -- the Pharaoh, the Crown Prince, and the Chief Vizier, among others -- and to insult and propagandize against the Crown Prince of Balder? In case you've forgotten, Pergamon, Balder and Osiris are supposed to be the NPO's allies. You're not supposed to throw them under the bus like this in favor of the Grey Wardens and other defenders with whom the NPO isn't in any kind of alliance.

I don't see where I would have insulted the Crown Prince of Balder.

Alternatively, as the OP subtly suggests you could start to hate the Userite, I would appreciate that. Much. Oh wait.. I forgot about something regarding..you.. something about you, something really, really important... I really forgot.

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Oh, I see. So it is your contention now that the Crown Prince of Balder was a userite, and despite the NPO's numerous apologies, it is now your contention as Consul of the NPO that the NLO coup was justified and that you were purging userites? That's interesting. It's interesting because you're essentially validating what many have been saying all along, that the NPO's apologies were hollow and meant nothing, and that the NPO has not changed one bit. Thank you for proving the NPO's detractors correct. I hope everyone is paying attention.

I cannot see where I have been stating such things.

Lone Wolves United helped fight the NLO coup of Lazarus perpetrated by the NPO. That wasn't the first time LWU fought a coup either, nor was it the first time the NPO perpetrated or supported one. To argue that the New Pacific Order is the party that "has an actual regard for GCR sovereignty" is absurd. The NPO does not now nor has it ever had any regard for any other Feeder's or Sinker's sovereignty.

I don't see where GCR sovereignty contradicts with the purge of the userite? The Userites have nothing to do with GCR sovereignty.

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Can you see it now? Surely everyone else can.

[Pergamon]

I don't see where I would have insulted the Crown Prince of Balder.

Alternatively, as the OP subtly suggests you could start to hate the Userite, I would appreciate that. Much. Oh wait.. I forgot about something regarding..you.. something about you, something really, really important... I really forgot.

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I cannot see where I have been stating such things.

I don't see where GCR sovereignty contradicts with the purge of the userite? The Userites have nothing to do with GCR sovereignty.

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Can you see it now? Surely everyone else can.

All I can see is that you re-arranging my words, which have been stated independently from each other in a way, to not only insult the Crown Prince of Balder as Userite, but on the same time make it look like I would openly state to have NES purged. This being said, this is you, not me. And proves my point yet again, you are forcefully trying to stir unrest among even allied Feeders and Sinkers.

What I said however, just points out that the non-relevant factor of TGW (they are irrelevant), can be cut out in regards of Lazarus, as they are no TGW supporters flooding Lazarus, rather LWU supporters doing so. I considered it important to mention it yet again, also to suggest an ally of the Pacific which hatred actually could be fostered into purpose in that regard. We shouldn't be working against each other, especially not based upon your poor accusations and false merit, Cormac. The Feeders and Sinkers should work together, not only to protect each other, at best by joining the Accords but also to make themselves aware of an all looming Userite threat.

Alternatively, as the OP subtly suggests you could start to hate the Userite, I would appreciate that. Much. Oh wait.. I forgot about something regarding..you.. something about you, something really, really important... I really forgot.

And about that? It's been a long time, but the Userite shouldn't be purged without that amazing NBO flag.

[Roavin]

Hello, NES. I don't think we've had the pleasure yet to, in true NSGP fashion, non-actionably fling metaphorical poo at each other. I am sure you will find me a formidable debate opponent.

I shall start out by immediately discrediting your conspiracy theory with a hefty dose of facts:

Roavin, head of the most powerful Defender Org, the Grey Wardens - has invested his time in TSP, a GCR which is now primarily Defender-aligned. Unibotian moralism and its desire to control and decide the destiny for others, beats in his heart. He serves as Prime Minister there, and now even has moved his WA status in The South Pacific. Running defender tag missions was only going to satisfy them for so long - it is now a secondary consideration compared to influencing GCRs. After all one can run their missions from there too anyway, and convert more people to their cause.

Emphasis mine.

That my WA currently resides on my main nation is as a direct consequence of the current Delegate elections, which in the South Pacific is conducted (in the final stage) with an in-game poll of native World Assembly nations. While exercising my right to vote early for my preferred candidate, I am taking the opportunity to gather a bit more influence on my nation, as well as giving my fellow nations in the South Pacific some additional influence through my endorsement as well. Once the election concludes, I will resign from the World Assembly again. This is not new, by the way. I did this for previous Delegate elections as well (though I did not endotart for those), and I have done it between elections as well when RL circumstances prevented me from conducting operations. You don't have to believe me - there is hard evidence for it. I will refer you to the endorsement graph of my main nation, where you will see slight bumps last July and last December (coinciding with Delegate elections) as well as in March for the two weeks where, due to Daylight Saving Time being enacted later in Europe than in North America, the game update was at a very inopportune time for me.

Furthermore, your statement betrays a fundamental ignorance of what defenders actually do. Defenders don't "run defender tag missions". But again, you don't have to believe me - you can either ask anybody with cursory knowledge of military gameplay to confirm, or read for yourself here (admittedly a very flawed guide but good enough for the uneducated).

Now, to get to your (verbosely formulated) point that this is a defender conspiracy to keep Lazarus defender. The proposal that was discussed in Lazarus was not even about formally adopting "Independence" as an ideology, as many people have interpreted it. Rather, it was with regards to repealing the section of law forbidding the Lazarene military from taking offensive actions. This passed with flying colors. Do you want to know who was among those who supported its repeal?

Me.

So the person who according to overly verbose imperialist conspiratorial rhetoric somehow embodies the Unibotian spirit of moralistic and absolute defenderism supported repealing this. Once again, you don't have to believe me; all you have to do is read the Lazarus forums. And here is the second part of your conspiracy theory debunked with raw facts that cannot be denied. What you may have missed is that I am not the cosmopolitan defender that you seem so terrified of. I am a feederite. The South Pacific is and remains my home. My work in the Grey Wardens, which I undeniably take very seriously and am very proud of, is my hobby, and if you want to define me as a player, then you don't need to look further than my work in the South Pacific, which has laid the groundwork for even getting offered the chance to lead the Grey Wardens in the first place.

Defender and feederite - those two words are not contradictions. In philosophical terms, there is no reason why a true feederite should not value the sovereignty of arbitrary regions. In mechanical terms, most operations that a military engage in are irrelevant to foreign policy goals (self-evidently true, even if that goes against your faction's sickening perversion of the innocent word "independence"). By driving a strong defense-oriented slant but taking the fight to ideologies generally considered hateful by South Pacificans, the South Pacific Special Forces became, and continues to be under my successors (with a mostly identical policy), the most active and competent GCR military. Once again, you don't have to believe me - ask anybody remotely involved in current gameplay.

"Unibotian moralism", as you call it, has been rejected. It's a fact. UDL-style overt and covert meddling by defender organizations in GCRs does not occur anymore. It's a fact. And if you wish to judge me, then do it based on what I wrote above, which is true and demonstrable and not typical imperialist conspiracy. Because here's the truth: The only place where the ideals you refer to as "Unibotian Moralism" and "Defenderism in GCRs" survive is with those who keep bringing it up Alex-Jones-like to attempt to strike fear in a desperate attempt to remain remotely relevant in a world that has (rightfully) begun to shift away from them.

You.