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Postby Oscalantine » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:24 pm

Rygondria wrote:The emperor is ofcourse not going to sit around and will send the imperial army to deal with it, the problem arises when the reach jungle which will slow their approach and give the rebels time to ambush, one of the only ways they can face the imperial army because head on battle with the Imperial army would result in the rebellion being crushed. That and siege warfare of the important port cities on the coast would take up alot of time, so it might take a couple months for the full force of the Imperial army to arrive in the south with the garrisons being pinned down in holding the fortifications. That and the fact that they might or might not still use war elephants might give you an idea on some of their military tradition though modern arms are becoming the standard their is still a strong sense of Alexandrian tradition in the army.


This problem can be easily solved by the Koreans, who will be more than happy to not only blockade any ports in the area but also offer assistance to ferry the soldiers from the north to troubled south. Once linked to the ports, Koreans can also supply the Imperial Army. Furthermore, Korean colonial soldiers are already extremely capable in the jungle, as Chuk-Jae-Do is practically built on it, and can provide fast pathfinders for the Imperial Army to position themselves against any ambush.

I guess the major problem would come from what you said: Imperial Court's pride. The Viceroy would certainly try to convince the emperor provide aid and support, but I don't know if the emperor would stomach the pride of foreign assistance in his own lands. Either way, Chuk-Jae-Do would most likely request and gain mobilization of navy, and several ships would be parked on major ports in the south to ensure that the rebels are well and truly separated from any foreign support that may come due to India's enemies.

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Postby Rygondria » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:33 pm

Oscalantine wrote:
Rygondria wrote:The emperor is ofcourse not going to sit around and will send the imperial army to deal with it, the problem arises when the reach jungle which will slow their approach and give the rebels time to ambush, one of the only ways they can face the imperial army because head on battle with the Imperial army would result in the rebellion being crushed. That and siege warfare of the important port cities on the coast would take up alot of time, so it might take a couple months for the full force of the Imperial army to arrive in the south with the garrisons being pinned down in holding the fortifications. That and the fact that they might or might not still use war elephants might give you an idea on some of their military tradition though modern arms are becoming the standard their is still a strong sense of Alexandrian tradition in the army.


This problem can be easily solved by the Koreans, who will be more than happy to not only blockade any ports in the area but also offer assistance to ferry the soldiers from the north to troubled south. Once linked to the ports, Koreans can also supply the Imperial Army. Furthermore, Korean colonial soldiers are already extremely capable in the jungle, as Chuk-Jae-Do is practically built on it, and can provide fast pathfinders for the Imperial Army to position themselves against any ambush.

I guess the major problem would come from what you said: Imperial Court's pride. The Viceroy would certainly try to convince the emperor provide aid and support, but I don't know if the emperor would stomach the pride of foreign assistance in his own lands. Either way, Chuk-Jae-Do would most likely request and gain mobilization of navy, and several ships would be parked on major ports in the south to ensure that the rebels are well and truly separated from any foreign support that may come due to India's enemies.

Of course claiming to be the true successors to Alexander's empire would cause the imperial court to want to handle things themselves and try to limit the Korean involvement so that they can claim that they are indeed worthy to succeed Alexander, Most likely if he does not flat out refuse he would just say that they are mercenaries, which would not technically violate the Mandate since Alexander did use plenty of those. But having foreign troops help him put down a rebellion of lesser's might drive him to make up for it by extending the empires control either east into Burma or towards the central Asian states if the mercenary thing is seen through.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:37 pm

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I think that this could be neat.

Brazil is already taken.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 pm

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So... this fucks up my idea... given that you got Kyiv...

As I already told you once, I don't see how it does that. You could have had Kiev in the past.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 pm

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It looks alright to me.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:39 pm

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I'm not that sure about Indonesia, it might be already taken entirely by someone else, but the rest is alright.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:40 pm

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What's Franzi supposed to be? A native African country?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:41 pm

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Crap. I think I used a wrong word for "isolationist." Trotsky would have done neverstop revolution against all capitalist worlds... if my Russian history memory isn't lying to me. So I suppose it is more along the lines of "revolutionary, idealist Soviet Union"?

Leninist, or mild Stalinist?

Edit: Is Franco Iberia still a thing?

It is still a thing. And unless anyone will have an interest in Iberia, it will continue to be Franco-Iberia.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:41 pm

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Eastern China could work, but we would need some sort of an map to see what you want to claim, most of China is free right now.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:43 pm

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*I suggest to use imgur for the map, also it might be just me, but it is impossible to edit, with this size (to edit decently)

Alright, Prussia is taken, but you get Silesia, and the west bank of the Dniepr is dependent on the borders of the Cossacks.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:44 pm

Oscalantine wrote:
Rygondria wrote:So without norse india i wonder what would happen with southern india, Besides the Indo-Hellenic influences from the north would their be a multitude of independent rajah's, is it larger nations, ETC.


Probably gobbled up by the Koreans if the new India didn't step in. Coastal regions would be controlled and used as ports by Korean trade companies to ship goods more safely to Babylos, which is a primary trade port for Koreans to move their goods up to Constantinople.

Alternatively Korea would have assisted Hellenic India to enforce authority in the region. Chuk-Jae-Do only seeks military intervention when absolutely necessary... see pirates for more details... and would have helped the North subjugate all the Rajah's to ensure security in the region. By extension, the Viceroyalty would have desired free trade going through India, literally force-opening free trade of spices to Rome.

In short? Two ways:
1) Korea saw that Northern India was too weak to side with, and took it upon themselves to maintain waterways clean. No net gain or loss from any parties, but Korea would have guarded Southern India like a dog and as a result no technological innovation in the region.

2) Korea saw potential in Northern India and assisted them to keep order in the South, providing goods, technology, and supply to the northern regime to aid in squashing any insurrections. However in return Korea would have wanted their merchants free reign in the area, which would have opened up spice market through Korea rather than through Persia. End result: India benefits from a strong ally to the south, Korean merchants become even more wealthy, and Rome becomes the largest supplier of Indian spices in Europe.

So... take your pick?

You're not the only colonial power in the world though. And while India is indeed in Asia, it's not as close to big Asian powers like the Philippines or China. As such, it would be extremely fair to say that European powers have an interest/influence in China too.
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Postby Oscalantine » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:48 pm

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I'm not that sure about Indonesia, it might be already taken entirely by someone else, but the rest is alright.


Let's see... err... based on back and forth between few of the board members, I am 90% sure that most of of what constitutes as Indonesia is Korean. Sumatra, Java, and Borneo is, but Sulawesi is iffy. Korea never expanded towards Flores and Timor, and Spice Islands and New Guinea is Japanese as far as Koreans are concerned when we last drew lines.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:48 pm

Oscalantine wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:I'm not that sure about Indonesia, it might be already taken entirely by someone else, but the rest is alright.


Let's see... err... based on back and forth between few of the board members, I am 90% sure that most of of what constitutes as Indonesia is Korean. Sumatra, Java, and Borneo is, but Sulawesi is iffy. Korea never expanded towards Flores and Timor, and Spice Islands and New Guinea is Japanese as far as Koreans are concerned when we last drew lines.

Indonesia isn't exactly my strong point in terms of geography, but I know that Korea and Japan have most of it.
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Postby Rygondria » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:50 pm

What would the Romans think of the Empire of India (Besides being the place where they get their spices and the overly ambitious imperial family).

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Postby Oscalantine » Sat Jul 15, 2017 11:57 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:You're not the only colonial power in the world though. And while India is indeed in Asia, it's not as close to big Asian powers like the Philippines or China. As such, it would be extremely fair to say that European powers have an interest/influence in China too.


That's very true. Korean merchants won't be the only ones to benefit from open India either. Still, Korea would benefit the most from friendly India as it can literally close or open trade routes between Korea and Rome, which is vital to Korea economy.

India certainly has a symbolic value due to it being... well, India, and I am sure that many European countries will jump at a chance to assist India in any way shape or form to gain favor from the India government. I am just the first one to put the offer on the table XDDD

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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:01 am

Rygondria wrote:What would the Romans think of the Empire of India (Besides being the place where they get their spices and the overly ambitious imperial family).

That's a very good questions. By themselves, and through the Koreans, the Romans should have moderately good relations with them, although I'm not sure yet if the Empire of India will be recognized as such ( I mean, of an Imperial rank. In real life, only the Persian shahanshah was recognized as an equal to the Roman Emperor).

And then again, if Ik does come back as Persia, then the Romans will have extremely good relations with it, which could damage any relations with India.
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Postby Oscalantine » Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:05 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Rygondria wrote:What would the Romans think of the Empire of India (Besides being the place where they get their spices and the overly ambitious imperial family).

That's a very good questions. By themselves, and through the Koreans, the Romans should have moderately good relations with them, although I'm not sure yet if the Empire of India will be recognized as such ( I mean, of an Imperial rank. In real life, only the Persian shahanshah was recognized as an equal to the Roman Emperor).

And then again, if Ik does come back as Persia, then the Romans will have extremely good relations with it, which could damage any relations with India.


This makes an interesting point: would Koreans see Persia as a rival to spice trade in Babylos, or would they see Persia as another market to profit from? Persian goods are very lucrative when sold to Korean market, so Babylos would serve as an excellent three-way port for Koreans to load up on Persian and European goods before profiting in Chuk-Jae-Do. But would Persian trade interest cannibalize on Korean trade? This is something to consider, and definitely something to ask Ik about once he gets back XDDD.

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Postby Mechanist Combine » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:02 am

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Postby Greater Slavic Union » Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:34 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
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Nation Name: Western Slavic Kingdom
Territory: Czechoslovakia, Poland, Lithuania (in 1936 borders), East Prussia, Silesia, and west bank of the Dniepr*
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*I suggest to use imgur for the map, also it might be just me, but it is impossible to edit, with this size (to edit decently)

Alright, Prussia is taken, but you get Silesia, and the west bank of the Dniepr is dependent on the borders of the Cossacks.


I checked the map tbh and Prussia is listed as free
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Population growth: 2,3%

Queen: Královna Klaudia Katmařková-Kolovrátová
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Postby The Imperial Masonic Dominion » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:15 am

Is Austria, Hungary, Serbia, and Romania and the Adriatic countries aswell as the remains of the countries that made up Yugoslavia claimed if not then please can I reserve them?
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:17 am

Oscalantine wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:I'm not that sure about Indonesia, it might be already taken entirely by someone else, but the rest is alright.


Let's see... err... based on back and forth between few of the board members, I am 90% sure that most of of what constitutes as Indonesia is Korean. Sumatra, Java, and Borneo is, but Sulawesi is iffy. Korea never expanded towards Flores and Timor, and Spice Islands and New Guinea is Japanese as far as Koreans are concerned when we last drew lines.

You have all of Borneo and northern Sumatra, but the other members of the OP board wouldn't let you have Java or southern Sumatra.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:46 am

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Tracian Empire wrote:Alright, Prussia is taken, but you get Silesia, and the west bank of the Dniepr is dependent on the borders of the Cossacks.


I checked the map tbh and Prussia is listed as free

Trust me, the map isn't ready yet. We are working on clearing Helghan's claims, and Prussia is taken. Silesia will be yours though.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:48 am

The Imperial Masonic Dominion wrote:Is Austria, Hungary, Serbia, and Romania and the Adriatic countries aswell as the remains of the countries that made up Yugoslavia claimed if not then please can I reserve them?

Besides from Dobrogea, and small bits of the southern part of Yugoslavia, they are free.

You should use the official reservation format though.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:50 am

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WPT will only be able to check this thread later today, so I'm posting his reservation for him.
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Postby The Imperial Masonic Dominion » Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:26 am

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