Net Neutrality Protest - Thousands of Sites Join

[Yes Im Biop]

Literally anyone using the internet should be for net neutrality, and if they arent, I know who they watch for news.

I'm one of the biggest users of internet (at least while I'm not homeless) and I'm not for net neutrality because I think it is a feel good measure that doesn't actually do anything. Content providers like Google enter into peering agreements all the time, why not let ISPs do the same on a trial or experimental basis? I don't think the worst case scenario that proponents of net neutrality give would necessarily come to pass.

It just isn't true that the Internet is "neutral." Hasn't been like that for well over a decade. The fact is that the infrastructure which moves internet traffic and data, is owned by only a handful of carriers in the US. The status quo that has net neutrality does absolutely nothing to bring some downward pressure on the leverage that ISPs have.

If people want internet prices to go down in the US and improve in terms of quality, the US government would actually have to get some regulations of the sort that Sweden for example has, where ISPs have to allow their competitors to use their infrastructure as well on the last mile, or break up monopolies (which the US government rarely does anymore) or act as an ISP which competes against the private sector on price or a combination of all three.

It does enough for Big Buiness's to want it gone, and for now that good, We will never make progress with a republican majority, so for now, this si what we got.

[The Lone Alliance]

And a consumer can band together with other ones to stop giving a certain company their business! The government needing the support of the people for a particular option is the same argument as the free marketeers make. Like WRA, most people will just pay up for the killer speeds and deal with it or in our case, stable government. You have this very idealistic view of government :^)

And you have this idealistic view of business if you don't believe companies won't follow the most profitable business model. A handful of customers refusing to have internet when all the companies follow the leader won't mean jack shit.

[The East Marches II]

And a consumer can band together with other ones to stop giving a certain company their business! The government needing the support of the people for a particular option is the same argument as the free marketeers make. Like WRA, most people will just pay up for the killer speeds and deal with it or in our case, stable government. You have this very idealistic view of government :^)

And you have this idealistic view of business if you don't believe companies won't follow the most profitable business model. A handful of customers refusing to have internet when all the companies follow the leader won't mean jack shit.

Thats why you should read my other posts. Its a wash, no matter who wins, we lose.

[San Marlindo]

Literally anyone using the internet should be for net neutrality, and if they arent, I know who they watch for news.

I just started to post that "net neutrality" seems pretty straight forward, but then I tried to read the long-winded and incredibly confusing explanation at the Wikipedia link and realize I have no idea what the term "net neutrality" means in this particular context.

I cannot support what I do not understand.

[Arkinesia]

Give Uncle Sam more regulatory power (which he would never ever abuse) or trust Big Business. Hmm....

I find it interesting that “socialist” Denmark was able to achieve net neutrality and dismantle their telecommunications regulatory agency at the same time.

It's almost like the free market can do these things without government intervention, if the actors have a shred of intelligence to them

[Alvecia]

Literally anyone using the internet should be for net neutrality, and if they arent, I know who they watch for news.

I just started to post that "net neutrality" seems pretty straight forward, but then I tried to read the long-winded and incredibly confusing explanation at the Wikipedia link and realize I have no idea what the term "net neutrality" means in this particular context.

I cannot support what I do not understand.

There's an analogy about highways, fast lanes, and tolls that gets bandied about that is a pretty good base explaination.

[Alvecia]

Give Uncle Sam more regulatory power (which he would never ever abuse) or trust Big Business. Hmm....

I find it interesting that “socialist” Denmark was able to achieve net neutrality and dismantle their telecommunications regulatory agency at the same time.

It's almost like the free market can do these things without government intervention, if the actors have a shred of intelligence to them

If I'm reading it right, the reason the nordic model works is because the ISP's don't have the full say over what they do, exactly. Rather, everyone who has a stake (not a share) in the business has a say.

[Minoa]

I remain strongly for net neutrality as it actually encourages further development of the internet. As I said, I cannot engage in further political activism due to my mental disability.

I am from a country that requires BT to let other companies use their network, and where even retail stores provide broadband. I imagine that net neutrality is a big issue in the US because of the ownership structure.

It was the opening of the network to competition that drove internet usage to new highs, and as a social democrat I recognise the importance of integrating social justice with the free market and freedom of choice. For the record, Venezuela’s government did not get that.

[Ethel mermania]

I'm FOR Net Neutrality.

Quite frankly, I don't think the FCC should have any authority over the internet. Simply because they're a regulatory body for the USA, yet any decisions related to the internet effects the entire world.

That's all I can say on the matter.

They don't. They have,authority over US communications providers. Someone who does not provide services in the US does not have to follow the FCC's rules.

[Minoa]

I'm FOR Net Neutrality.

Quite frankly, I don't think the FCC should have any authority over the internet. Simply because they're a regulatory body for the USA, yet any decisions related to the internet effects the entire world.

That's all I can say on the matter.

They don't. They have,authority over US communications providers. Someone who does not provide services in the US does not have to follow the FCC's rules.

As of now, I can say that it indirectly affects the world in terms of, specifically, the competitive power of the US digital economy against other rivals such as Japan and the many European countries.

[Ethel mermania]

They don't. They have,authority over US communications providers. Someone who does not provide services in the US does not have to follow the FCC's rules.

As of now, I can say that it indirectly affects the world in terms of, specifically, the competitive power of the US digital economy against other rivals such as Japan and the many European countries.

No, it only affects american traffic. BT, or orange have no reason to comply with an FCC removal of a regulation. It will not effect any service to anywhere else in the world, but the United states.

[Risottia]

I don't give a major fuck about the FCC. So, if the legitimate representatives of American citizens want to screw over the American networks, well, sucks to live there I guess.
Here Parliament and Commission are upholding net neutrality.
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-mar ... neutrality

[Ethel mermania]

I don't give a major fuck about the FCC. So, if the legitimate representatives of American citizens want to screw over the American networks, well, sucks to live there I guess.
Here Parliament and Commission are upholding net neutrality.
https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-mar ... neutrality

Don't you folKS have data caps on Internet service? (Don't count wireless)

[Minoa]

As of now, I can say that it indirectly affects the world in terms of, specifically, the competitive power of the US digital economy against other rivals such as Japan and the many European countries.

No, it only affects american traffic. BT, or orange have no reason to comply with an FCC removal of a regulation. It will not effect any service to anywhere else in the world, but the United states.

No, I mean the power of the US digital economy in comparison to the world.

In a situation where the US ISPs follow through with their draconian throttling and anti-competitive practices as usual, there will be less US startups.

The rest of the world would be able to use that situation to entice digital entrepreneurs and existing internet companies abroad.

If the ease of doing business over the internet is much better abroad, than the US under such a throttling regime of the ISPs, they would be very likely to move abroad.

The countries that manage to entice such talent would stand to get greater publicity for the digital economy.

I did not say that it would affect the rest of the world negatively, but it would change the competitive arena of the digital economy.

[Ethel mermania]

No, it only affects american traffic. BT, or orange have no reason to comply with an FCC removal of a regulation. It will not effect any service to anywhere else in the world, but the United states.

No, I mean the power of the US digital economy in comparison to the world.

In a situation where the US ISPs follow through with their draconian throttling and anti-competitive practices as usual, there will be less US startups.

The rest of the world would be able to use that situation to entice digital entrepreneurs and existing internet companies abroad.

If the ease of doing business over the internet is much better abroad, than the US under such a throttling regime of the ISPs, they would be very likely to move abroad.

The countries that manage to entice such talent would stand to get greater publicity for the digital economy.

I did not say that it would affect the rest of the world negatively, but it would change the competitive arena of the digital economy.

You are getting more growth and development in the third world now as that is where the growijg markets are. India and china, and china certwinly does not have net neutrality. Any increased cost will effect the digital economy as it raises the cost to compete in it. The required tax increase for universal health care will slow the creation of new digital businesses, for example.

I guess I am just amused by europeans (including rl friends). Throwing a hissy fit about the fcc ruling the world,

[Quency]

Funny. Just went on a site and a message popped up.

This site has been blocked by your ISP.

The message then went on to say something along the lines of:
Well, not really. But without net neutrality laws it could have been...

Not gonna lie, it definitely grabbed my attention. Very good tactic, gives people a taste of what could be to come so they'll feel more strongly to fight against it, if not only for their own self-interest.
I approve. Net neutrality is definitely an example of how markets need to be regulated to be truly free.

[Minoa]

Funny. Just went on a site and a message popped up.

This site has been blocked by your ISP.

The message then went on to say something along the lines of:
Well, not really. But without net neutrality laws it could have been...

Not gonna lie, it definitely grabbed my attention. Very good tactic, gives people a taste of what could be to come so they'll feel more strongly to fight against it, if not only for their own self-interest.
I approve. Net neutrality is definitely an example of how markets need to be regulated to be truly free.

Which site? I haven't seen anything from my usual relay country (Switzerland).

[Quency]

Which site? I haven't seen anything from my usual relay country (Switzerland).

https://paintz.zmyaro.com/
Obscure in-browser image editor. Its no good but I use it because my machine can't run any standard software for editing images, and a computer that can't edit images is no computer.

[Risottia]

No, it only affects american traffic. BT, or orange have no reason to comply with an FCC removal of a regulation. It will not effect any service to anywhere else in the world, but the United states.

No, I mean the power of the US digital economy in comparison to the world.

In a situation where the US ISPs follow through with their draconian throttling and anti-competitive practices as usual, there will be less US startups.

The rest of the world would be able to use that situation to entice digital entrepreneurs and existing internet companies abroad.

And this is good. For those this side of the pond, of course.
Considering how the American internet services companies have been using any kind of scheme to avoid paying their taxes for their business on EU territory, I would see that as a part of a long-due compensation.

[Calladan]

As of now, I can say that it indirectly affects the world in terms of, specifically, the competitive power of the US digital economy against other rivals such as Japan and the many European countries.

No, it only affects american traffic. BT, or orange have no reason to comply with an FCC removal of a regulation. It will not effect any service to anywhere else in the world, but the United states.

Where is google located? Where are a lot of the DNS servers located? Where is facebooks server located?

HOW do you think this will not affect the entire world?

[Ethel mermania]

No, it only affects american traffic. BT, or orange have no reason to comply with an FCC removal of a regulation. It will not effect any service to anywhere else in the world, but the United states.

Where is google located? Where are a lot of the DNS servers located? Where is facebooks server located?

HOW do you think this will not affect the entire world?

Because i know how the internet works. Dns has nothing to do with this, and in fact the root servers are worldwide.

Google has servers all over the world, so does netflix, so does all the big content providers. How their content is accessed anywhere but in the US will not be affected.

[Great Nepal]

No, it only affects american traffic. BT, or orange have no reason to comply with an FCC removal of a regulation. It will not effect any service to anywhere else in the world, but the United states.

Where is google located? Where are a lot of the DNS servers located? Where is facebooks server located?

HOW do you think this will not affect the entire world?

If you're in Europe that''d be Ireland, benelux, and Finland; probably your country; and Finland and Ireland. It really won't affect most people outside US in any direct way - having to pay ISPs to reach American audiences might mean they've less to invest in new products or they might instead decide to focus outside of US to decrease cost of ISP extortion. I mean sure it might affect you if you're using a tiny service who only has servers in US, but is still large enough for ISPs to bother with - but I don't think that covers a lot of people.

Still, removing net neutrality is terrible idea - and while it may not have effect for those outside of US yet, the move might set an example for ISPs in other jurisdictions to lobby with, which would be rather bad.

[Kvatchdom]

Where is google located? Where are a lot of the DNS servers located? Where is facebooks server located?

HOW do you think this will not affect the entire world?

If you're in Europe that''d be Ireland, benelux, and Finland; probably your country; and Finland and Ireland. It really won't affect most people outside US in any direct way - having to pay ISPs to reach American audiences might mean they've less to invest in new products or they might instead decide to focus outside of US to decrease cost of ISP extortion. I mean sure it might affect you if you're using a tiny service who only has servers in US, but is still large enough for ISPs to bother with - but I don't think that covers a lot of people.

Still, removing net neutrality is terrible idea - and while it may not have effect for those outside of US yet, the move might set an example for ISPs in other jurisdictions to lobby with, which would be rather bad.

The only times we're ever mentioned somewhere it's something shitty.

[Great Nepal]

If you're in Europe that''d be Ireland, benelux, and Finland; probably your country; and Finland and Ireland. It really won't affect most people outside US in any direct way - having to pay ISPs to reach American audiences might mean they've less to invest in new products or they might instead decide to focus outside of US to decrease cost of ISP extortion. I mean sure it might affect you if you're using a tiny service who only has servers in US, but is still large enough for ISPs to bother with - but I don't think that covers a lot of people.

Still, removing net neutrality is terrible idea - and while it may not have effect for those outside of US yet, the move might set an example for ISPs in other jurisdictions to lobby with, which would be rather bad.

The only times we're ever mentioned somewhere it's something shitty.

Its not bad; it probably means Google and services load fraction of a second faster for you.

[Kvatchdom]

The only times we're ever mentioned somewhere it's something shitty.

Its not bad; it probably means Google and services load fraction of a second faster for you.

Ohhh okay. That's not bad, was cursing at work computer's slow internet just as I was reading that.